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Beji · Post by **Beji** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:58 pm

To what everyone was saying about Gotenks on the other pages. (I know its a movie) but SSJ3 Gotenks was beaten down pretty easily against Hirudigarn and SSJ3 Goku was able to beat him (I know it was a movie the but the point was to just say the fusion couldnt have been 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku at all. Even in the anime/manga I feel like the gap was not too far from SSJ3 Gotenk's power and SSJ3 Goku's when watching different fights. It's like Gotenks almost "cheated" his way to ssj3 with the fusion and that he was in reality only slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Not near the multiplyer that SSJ Gogeta would get by going SSJ3

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:28 pm

Beji wrote:To what everyone was saying about Gotenks on the other pages. (I know its a movie) but SSJ3 Gotenks was beaten down pretty easily against Hirudigarn and SSJ3 Goku was able to beat him (I know it was a movie the but the point was to just say the fusion couldnt have been 10x stronger than SSJ3 Goku at all. Even in the anime/manga I feel like the gap was not too far from SSJ3 Gotenk's power and SSJ3 Goku's when watching different fights. It's like Gotenks almost "cheated" his way to ssj3 with the fusion and that he was in reality only slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Not near the multiplyer that SSJ Gogeta would get by going SSJ3

It's implied that SS Gotenks is stronger than SS3 Goku and SS3 Gotenks would be 8x stronger than that.

Beji · Post by **Beji** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:16 pm

Saiga wrote:It's implied that SS Gotenks is stronger than SS3 Goku and SS3 Gotenks would be 8x stronger than that.

Would be is the word but he isn't. Think of how easily/quickly the fight would have ended if he suddenly went up 8x in power. Thats why I feel like though he is that form it is only because they are fused they can achieve it. Separately they can only go up to SSJ not even ascended. I could even believe 4 times for going to SSJ3 in fusion with Gotenks but not 8.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:22 pm

Beji wrote:
Saiga wrote:It's implied that SS Gotenks is stronger than SS3 Goku and SS3 Gotenks would be 8x stronger than that.
Would be is the word but he isn't. Think of how easily/quickly the fight would have ended if he suddenly went up 8x in power. Thats why I feel like though he is that form it is only because they are fused they can achieve it. Separately they can only go up to SSJ not even ascended. I could even believe 4 times for going to SSJ3 in fusion with Gotenks but not 8.

He wasn't doing much against Boo before going SS3 though, only his ghosts did any damage IIRC. The only way it could only be a 4x increase in power is if he somehow skipped unlocking SS2 and so it was just SS x the SS3 multiplier (4) but the Daizenshuu says he did achieve SS2. Not to mention even if he didn't, the whole whole SS x SS3 multiplier is just a theory.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:57 pm

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Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:47 pm

I'm sorry to jump in like this with a random question. But I've been out of the Power Level/Multiplier loop for years now.

Where is it that people are getting this multiplier of 8x for SSJ3? Is this from an (semi-) official source?

CatouttaHell · Post by **CatouttaHell** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:01 pm

Gotenks is far, far more than 8x stronger than Son Goku realistically IMO. SSjin Gotenks (Pre) is stated to be above SSjin 3 Goku and it is never contradicted.

Base Gotenks (Post-RoSaT) is stated by multiple characters to be about equal to Evil Boo (Sensable Ki,) who is so far ahead of SSjin Gotenks (Pre) that Piccolo doubted he'd be able to catch up to him in the RoSaT despite knowing how great potential Goten and Trunks have.

Gotenks has all three forms of SSjin (he is shown in the manga to be SSjin 2 for two panels and the Daizenshuu confirms it) and nothing says that he has less of a multiplier than Son Goku, so the gap between Gotenks (Post) and Son Goku could likely be as large as the gap between Pui-Pui and Pure Boo.

hleV · Post by **hleV** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:34 pm

Gozar wrote:I'm sorry to jump in like this with a random question. But I've been out of the Power Level/Multiplier loop for years now.

Where is it that people are getting this multiplier of 8x for SSJ3? Is this from an (semi-) official source?

SSJ3 Goku was stronger than Fat Boo.
SSJ Gotenks was estimated to handle Fat Boo without problem in less than 30 minutes.

So if we put SSJ3 Goku around SSJ1 Gotenks, then SSJ3 Gotenks is around 8 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Not saying it's not arguable, but that's where people come with Gotenks being 8 times stronger than Gotenks from.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:34 pm

Gozar wrote:I'm sorry to jump in like this with a random question. But I've been out of the Power Level/Multiplier loop for years now.
Where is it that people are getting this multiplier of 8x for SSJ3? Is this from an (semi-) official source?

The recent "Super Exciting Guide" books gave us official multipliers for both Super Saiyan 2 and 3, on top of the good ol' standard 50x for Super Saiyan. It says Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as Super Saiyan (~100x base), and then Super Saiyan 3 is four times stronger than Super Saiyan 2 (~400x base). So the "8x" here is in regards to SSj3 compared to SSj1.

And like hlev beat me to remembering to mention, that is where the notion of Gotenks being 8x stronger than Goku comes from. But that's just one way of looking at it.

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:27 pm

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hleV · Post by **hleV** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:34 pm

Fox666 wrote: If we assume that Gotenks could fight the fat Majin Boo, using as reference the energy of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan filling almost half of Majin Boo energy, technically Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks could be only 4 times stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

... Okay? I really don't have a problem with that. I just explained where people come with the Gotenks ~ 8x Goku theory from. I personally take Gotenks at absolute minimum 3 times stronger than Goku, but am not against the possibility of him being 10 or above times stronger.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:48 pm

Kaboom wrote:The recent "Super Exciting Guide" books gave us official multipliers for both Super Saiyan 2 and 3, on top of the good ol' standard 50x for Super Saiyan. It says Super Saiyan 2 is twice as strong as Super Saiyan (~100x base), and then Super Saiyan 3 is four times stronger than Super Saiyan 2 (~400x base). So the "8x" here is in regards to SSj3 compared to SSj1.

Ah, OK. Thanks! =)

Fox666 · Post by **Fox666** » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:22 pm

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Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:33 pm

Not that much of a surprise, really, considering how easily he pummelled Gohan-Boo.

Also, it's a fairly generic description, so I really hope people won't scrutinize the fuck of this statement. Ha, who am I kidding? Of course they will.

dbgtFO · Post by **dbgtFO** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:09 pm

Hey Fox, is it this site you're getting all those scans from?

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