If Saiyans > Kaioshin why was Piccolo afraid to fight?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Think he's referring to Base Vegeta

[dbzfan7]

I can't be sure if Kaioshin was actually stronger then base vegeta, but he could easily restrain him if he could hold back SSJ2 Gohan. That should count for something.

Kaioshin stated that it might be hard to restrain Gohan and Vegeta is much stronger at this point in time so he might be unable to do so.

He restrained Gohan as an SSJ2. Kaioshin should easily restrain Vegeta unless he went SSJ2. You can't possibly think Kaioshin can't restrain Base Vegeta or SSJ.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I can't be sure if Kaioshin was actually stronger then base vegeta, but he could easily restrain him if he could hold back SSJ2 Gohan. That should count for something.

Kaioshin stated that it might be hard to restrain Gohan and Vegeta is much stronger at this point in time so he might be unable to do so.

He restrained Gohan as an SSJ2. Kaioshin should easily restrain Vegeta unless he went SSJ2. You can't possibly think Kaioshin can't restrain Base Vegeta or SSJ.

I didnt say he couldnt restrain base or SSJ.

[dbzfan7]

I didnt say he couldnt restrain base or SSJ.

You seem to have missed where I said in context he could restrain Base Vegeta. And then you said he couldn't.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I didnt say he couldnt restrain base or SSJ.

You seem to have missed where I said in context he could restrain Base Vegeta. And then you said he couldn't.

I said he couldnt restrain SSJ2 Vegeta. If I didnt clarify then I meant to though.

[dbzfan7]

I didnt say he couldnt restrain base or SSJ.

You seem to have missed where I said in context he could restrain Base Vegeta. And then you said he couldn't.

I said he couldnt restrain SSJ2 Vegeta. If I didnt clarify then I meant to though.

You didn't really clarify. You took my first point as including SSJ2 Vegeta when it doesn't. So you must have misread the context. My point was that I am not sure if he is physically stronger as I just regarded him as a weak god, But he could easily restrain Vegeta(without SSJ2). Everything else depends on how his psychic powers work if he can damage Vegeta.

[Titan]

Just, because, the others can't sense any Ki coming from No.17 and 18, it doesn't mean that they don't have artificial ki
who can be lent to the Genki-Dama.

Maybe A-17 has listened Goku's voice when he was inside Cell.

The problem is, unless Dr. Gero was a super genius I doubt he could create artificial ki so close to the original biological version that it could be lent to the Genki Dama. But lets say he could. Why would they need all the earthlings to contribute their energy? They could just use 18's ki by itself, the androids ki supply is endless due to the generator in their bodies so they never run out of ki or get fatigued. They could just get 18 to keep pouring her ki into the Genki Dama and fill it up that way. I choose to believe that both 17 and 18 have kept their biological ki (which should be the only kind the Genki Dama takes) intact but its at the level of an ordinary human.

As for 17's "he probably heard Goku's voice when he was inside Cell." theory. I'm not too sure, we don't have much to go on. Perhaps it is possible but I would rather think that Dr. Gero played video's of Goku's fights and pointed out his weaknesses and strengths to 17 and 18 in some way. They seemed to know about the Senzu's after they beat up Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta and Tenshinhan.

Everything you are saying makes sense.
We also know that A-17 has a database about the Z-senshi, therefore, it is very likely that he heard Goku's voice in a video.

[Hitiro]

Everything you are saying makes sense.
We also know that A-17 has a database about the Z-senshi, therefore, it is very likely that he heard Goku's voice in a video.

The only place my theory falls down on is why didn't 17 or 18 know where Goku lives? Only 16 knew that. But we could just put it down to "their re-programming not being finished" as Dr. Gero stated in the story.

[Titan]

Everything you are saying makes sense.
We also know that A-17 has a database about the Z-senshi, therefore, it is very likely that he heard Goku's voice in a video.

The only place my theory falls down on is why didn't 17 or 18 know where Goku lives? Only 16 knew that. But we could just put it down to "their re-programming not being finished" as Dr. Gero stated in the story.

Of course, we can also agree on that as well.