Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Michsi]

Strangely, for me, the more I see it, the more I'm warming up to it (not to say I disliked it in the first place) and I forgot to mention how much I liked seeing 18 jump into action too

[jjgp1112]

The animation looks really great. Birusu's appearance no longer bothers me, either. In fact, it's actually pretty cool. Sort of an Egyptian-ish thing going on there.

[Rory]

The animation looks really great. Birusu's appearance no longer bothers me, either. In fact, it's actually pretty cool. Sort of an Egyptian-ish thing going on there.

Agreed. Wasn't sure what to make of Bils to begin with, but now I think he looks great.
Super Saiyan Gohan.... w-well, maybe there'll be a reason? Other than that, colour me hyped.

[Thanos]

The new characters' voices fit quite well, I think. Especially Bils; the part where he powers up was rather cool.

With Toriyama's involvement I expect a fair amount of Mr. Satan action, but without Daisuke Gori it won't quite be the same.

[medama_oyaji]

Well, in that clip Pilaf is blue. He's wearing the same outfit, but it's different colors as well. Pretty sure this is just a case of a miscolored figure, and not a Piccolo/Pilaf fusion (although that would have been awesome)

[Fox666]

Not really sure about Goku fighting on space. It could be just very high, still hard to engulf. But Super Saiyan Gohan probably just proves Toriyama's forgetfulness.

[soulnova]

Well, at least in Latin America we never had a problem with SSJ Gohan. At least in our dub there was nothing to contradict he couldn't turn.

And... kill me now... I can't open youtube at work, can't see the trailer. T_T

[Fox666]

Well, the original manga doesn't leave it entirely clear for Gohan or not.

[JeffJarrett]

Not really sure about Goku fighting on space. It could be just very high, still hard to engulf. But Super Saiyan Gohan probably just proves Toriyama's forgetfulness.

Toriyama didn't forget anything about Gohan's ability to transform. It's just a few fans who began to think for no reason that Gohan lost his ability to become Super Saiyan while the manga never announced he couldn't.

[Michsi]

Well, the original manga doesn't leave it entirely clear for Gohan or not.

Isn't the old Kaioshin the only one who said something like "transforming isn't the answer". I don't remember if there was something to clearly point out that he couldn't go SSJ anymore. It was just something most assumed since his appearance also never changed back.

Again, I don't have a problem with Gohan being SSJ. We might even get a good reason for it.

[Fox666]

Not really sure about Goku fighting on space. It could be just very high, still hard to engulf. But Super Saiyan Gohan probably just proves Toriyama's forgetfulness.

Toriyama didn't forget anything about Gohan's ability to transform. It's just a few fans who began to think for no reason that Gohan lost his ability to become Super Saiyan while the manga never announced he couldn't.

If he could, why didn't he used it against Boo?

[VegettoEX]

Cocky. Didn't understand how to (remember, he was instructed to act as if he WERE turning Super Saiyan to get that power out).

Also, Toriyama got bored with him and moved back over to Goku.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[AceSharp]

I really hope this turns out to be well scripted.

Can't stand the thought of -

1) Gohan being able to turn SSJ without some sort of explanation (otherwise this discussion will only get worse).
2) The story following the all-too-familiar pattern of Z Fighters/Gohan/Vegeta get beaten, Goku gets stronger, saves the day.

Is creative/thoughtful writing too much to ask?

[Michsi]

If he could, why didn't he used it against Boo?

I assume it's because there was no point. The ultimate power up and SSj transformation might work the same way except the ultimate one does it better?

2) The story following the all-too-familiar pattern of Z Fighters/Gohan/Vegeta get beaten, Goku gets stronger, saves the day.

I also hope it won't follow this pattern.

[TonyTheTiger]

This looks amazing.

[Cold Skin]

Not really sure about Goku fighting on space. It could be just very high, still hard to engulf. But Super Saiyan Gohan probably just proves Toriyama's forgetfulness.

Toriyama didn't forget anything about Gohan's ability to transform. It's just a few fans who began to think for no reason that Gohan lost his ability to become Super Saiyan while the manga never announced he couldn't.

Except that the Old Kaio Shin implies himself that he doesn't like transformations and made that Gohan didn't have to transform to release full power.
Goku says "you're not even Super Saiyan".
And the Old Kaio Shin says "Yeah, cause transformation is not a pure state, so it can't be a good solution", basically meaning "I unlocked his powers so that any transformation is out of the game now".

And when Gohan tries to "just like turning into a Super Saiyan" (and not "something close to turning into a Super Saiyan"), following his instructions, he ends up... not Super Saiyan, just having an awesome power.
Then against Boo or in Movie 13, he doesn't transform when he could instantly do it if it made things any better, and Gohan is not cocky when he gets beat up.
You even got a relevant shot in movie 13: Goku transforms into Super Saiyan, Goten transforms into Super Saiyan, Gohan makes the same power-boost gesture but no transformation triggers.

So please don't say "just a few fans thought for no reason", those fans obviously have good reasons to think that it was meant that way, at least at the time.

After that, if they chose to change that with this movie, whether it's for logical reasons or not reasons at all, it's not that big an issue and it's easy to accept and find an explanation even if we don't get one from the staff (I would go for a "he found a way to transform anyway" or "his extended potential was temporary in the anime version").

But it's about time people stop saying things that imply "some dumb guys just went delirious thinking he couldn't transform anymore", cause it wasn't delirous, every single thing seemed to indicate that there was no need / possibility for him to transform until now. So enough with the superior "they just don't get it like I do" attitude.

Before jumping to conclusions, it would be good to wait for the actual movie, because there might be an explanation such as "I was always able to transform", or "I found an alternative way to transform" or "I can transform and boost my power even further" or "my power seem to have disappeared over time", or "those Gods cancelled the effect", etc... And if it's one of the latter, those saying "thought for no reason" won't seem so clever boasting about "dumb fans thought for no reason that"...

[JeffJarrett]

Sorry, I didn't want to be rude. Lets remind a few established facts:

- Gohan can power up to his Ultimate form, source: right after Old Kai finished his ritual + the movie Wrath of the Dragon + video games

- SSJ < SSJ2 < Ultimate, source: Shin Budokai games. Similar to how he can chose to go from base to SSJ2 directly without using SSJ, he can chose to go Ultimate directly.

Conclusion, there no point to turn SSJ if Ultimate is above, but Gohan can still use the SSJ form if don't want/need to use his maximum power (similar to Goku's usage of his base or SSJ form while being able to turn SSJ2 and SSJ3 in the Buu Saga, and even later while being able to use SSJ4 in GT).

[Titan]

Not really sure about Goku fighting on space. It could be just very high, still hard to engulf. But Super Saiyan Gohan probably just proves Toriyama's forgetfulness.

Toriyama didn't forget anything about Gohan's ability to transform. It's just a few fans who began to think for no reason that Gohan lost his ability to become Super Saiyan while the manga never announced he couldn't.

Before jumping to conclusions, it would be good to wait for the actual movie, because there might be an explanation such as "I was always able to transform", or "I found an alternative way to transform" or "I can transform and boost my power even further" or "my power seem to have disappeared over time", or "those Gods cancelled the effect", etc... And if it's one of the latter, those saying "thought for no reason" won't seem so clever boasting about "dumb fans thought for no reason that"...

Precisely!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Super Saiyan Gohan probably just proves Toriyama's forgetfulness.

Toriyama didn't forget anything about Gohan's ability to transform. It's just a few fans who began to think for no reason that Gohan lost his ability to become Super Saiyan while the manga never announced he couldn't.

If he could, why didn't he used it against Boo?

Who said that Ultimate became Gohan's base form? The only trait that he retained when he hadn't power up where the fully outlined eyes. His hair & eyes expresion still stayed normal, so it's very possible that the Ultimate is a transformation (kinda), and works as an alternative to the Super Saiyan, not a replacement.