The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[hleV]

If it's the Kaioshin who made such a statement about Pure Boo being the strongest, then it might as well be wrong.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In which episode was the Pure Boo > all Boo statement again?

[DBZAOTA482]

If it's the Kaioshin who made such a statement about Pure Boo being the strongest, then it might as well be wrong.

Finally, somebody realizes how stupid that fucking lemming Kaioshin is! He's like the Jar Jar Binks of Dragon Ball.

[dbzfan7]

19 or 20 vs Freeza or Mecha Freeza

I think 19 and 20 were stronger, but they didn't seem like it as a weakened Goku easily was beating 19. Piccolo said Goku wasn't close to his full power if I recall. I think the weakened Goku could beat 20 also as long as he didn't use energy attacks. But idk.

[Fox666]

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[Rocketman]

I think they start off weaker, but 19 might have been equalling/surpassing Freeza by absorbing Goku's energy.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think the initial Androids would destroy Freeza with or without absorptions. I have Piccolo stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks from back then, so he'd do the same to Freeza without much trouble. Don't see a reason for Kami to mention the initial Androids during his dialogue with Piccolo since they were outed as the fake ones and reduced to dust. They were nothing in the big picture.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Freeza would toy with them, 19 or 20 would get energy from a mistake Freeza makes, 19 and or 20 proceed to kill Freeza.

[mysticboy]

I really think 20 would've caught hell with Yamcha if he didn't take him by surprise.

[Rocketman]

I have Piccolo stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks from back then

So Trunks, with no training partners, no Senzu, no Time Chamber, no gods, and quite unlikely to have a gravity room, gets such a big boost from...something...that he dwarfs a Piccolo as strong as he was three years ago.

Meanwhile Gohan, the Hidden Power Wonder Boy, is still irrelevant.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Well, sir, the same Trunks went from sparring with Base Future Gohan as a Super Saiyan to being potentially stronger or around Super Saiyan Future Gohan with 3 yrs of training with no sparring partners, senzu, gravity rooms, and all that other good stuff. Is there a reason why he can't replicate this power-up again?

And yeah...Gohan, for whatever reason, simply didn't obtain a considerable power-up like Piccolo. He probably didn't push himself as hard as Piccolo.

[hleV]

Or Piccolo is simply not as strong as you think.

[Pantalones]

Gohan doesn't have Super Saiyan yet. That's the only reason he's not strong enough to be significant in the Androids saga. It's pretty clear that all of the Androids are too strong for any of the Saiyans to fight in their base forms (based on his performance against #19 while weakened by the virus, I'd guess that a healthy Goku could probably handle #19 or #20 with a high Kaio-Ken, but... that's the only chance he'd have without SSj), so Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks would be just as useless if they didn't have Super Saiyan.

I guess he could probably have gotten strong enough to damage #19 or #20 if he was pushed into one of his rage boosts, but considering that those usually lead to him flinging some huge blast around... he'd probably be helping them more than hurting them in that situation. XD

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Piccolo was just under the impression that he got so strong because he thought that #19 & #20 were the same Artificial Humans that killed the Z-Senshi and the same ones that Super Saiyan Trunks couldn't defeat. Piccolo was wrong however. #17 & #18 were much stronger than that. Future Trunks came back to the past after 8 months. Against Freeza, Piccolo's BP was above 1 million, but far below 3 millions. I can't see Piccolo surpassing SS Trunks in 3 years, and SS Trunks getting even stronger than that Piccolo in just 8 months with just training (like Rocketman said, he didn't have senzu, gravity room, sparring partner, or any gods to train him). It's just impossible. Kuririn's comment about Piccolo being so strong and "he is not even a Super Saiyan" doesn't mean that Piccolo is at Super Saiyan level. In fact, I would say his battle power could easily be around 50-100 million. Kuririn was far, far weaker than Piccolo or the Super Saiyans. He just noticed that Piccolo got a huge power up, and he really did. Getting around 50-100 times stronger is a huge increase (IMO, it's because his merging with Nail extended his dormant power, and he had SS Goku as a sparring partner).

Gohan doesn't have Super Saiyan yet. That's the only reason he's not strong enough to be significant in the Androids saga. It's pretty clear that all of the Androids are too strong for any of the Saiyans to fight in their base forms (based on his performance against #19 while weakened by the virus, I'd guess that a healthy Goku could probably handle #19 or #20 with a high Kaio-Ken, but... that's the only chance he'd have without SSj), so Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks would be just as useless if they didn't have Super Saiyan.

Exactly. I can see Gohan being a little stronger than Freeza arc base Goku, he just hadn't became a Super Saiyan by the time.

[Mystic Gohan]

Piccolo did mistake them for the real Androids. They should be stronger than Freeza.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo was simply playing in the dark when he mentioned the 2 different outcomes as to why things were different. This in no way takes away from his actual power, since the real Androids actually ended up being ridiculously more powerful than the ones Trunks fought. Krillin's statement could mean a few things, as there's no one way to look at it. He could very well be playing in the same league as the Super Saiyans or scratching the surface. Krillin being much weaker than them doesn't really mean much, considering he actually admits while he's nothing compared to the Saiyans, he still knows how to get a good feel of someone's power. As easily as Piccolo could be around 50-100 million to validate Krillin's statement, he could be around 120-160 million as well. Either increase is drastic, no matter how you look at it.

As for Trunks, you see, it's only "impossible" if you stick with the 8 months (Bulma's initial observation) and not consider that they ended up needing 3 yrs (which was mentioned later in the story) to charge the time machine. After the battle with the Androids, Trunks mentions how he could "put up a fight" against his Androids and that they weren't as powerful as the ones they just fought, and Tien admits that as powerful as Goku is, it's very unlikely that his capabilites are much different from Vegeta or Trunks. So, while Vegeta is around the same level as Goku and a bit stronger than Trunks, they're at least in the same realm of power. More reason to believe Trunks's level is higher than it was when he fought Freeza. At that point, he was (holding-back, anyway) shown to be weaker than Goku.

[JP6GAMER]

Turles vs Raditz

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Raditz would be an evening snack for Tullece.

[JP6GAMER]

Hmm, does Raditz even have a small chance?

[Kaboom]

Hmm, does Raditz even have a small chance?

Nope!

Raditz's PL: ~1500
Tullece's PL: ~20,000-40,000
(Piccolo at 18,000 was no match for him, but Goku at "30,000 and rising" was giving him a hard time. And that was BEFORE Tullece snacked on the Tree of Might's fruit!)

Sometimes you can make up for a gap in power with exceptional skill, tactics, etc... but not a gap THIS big. Raditz is toast. Burnt toast.