Teaching the Saiyan race how to transform into Super Saiyans

[Hitiro]

Even so, do you really think it makes any sense for Toriyama to respond to a question about Bardock's battle power with something that has nothing to do with his battle power? I highly doubt he had some hidden message here. He was asked about Bardock's battle power, and he responded that he's a high-tier low class fighter, but isn't able to become a mid-class.

I see his response as more of skating around the question he was asked, personally. He isn't going to come out and say something direct through fear of angering a subset of the fans. It's a pretty PR answer which doesn't go into too much detail so he doesn't get hounded. That answer leaves it pretty open.

Yes, he's a low-class warrior.

Does that mean his battle power is that of one? Toriyama never explicitly says that it is or isn't. All he says is a fact that we do know, he is a low-class warrior. I don't think that harms the credibility of the "Father of Goku" special.

[dprez]

Wouldn't a power of near 10,000 be considered at least high-tier middle class. Dragon Ball minus is still something I have yet to read. Does it really destroy the credibility of "Father of Goku"? I decided to speak up here because I recently watched the tv special for the first time in Japanese and it blew me away. I love it and it fits perfectly, especially if you watch it after the DBZ episode where Goku appears and Freeza recognizes him from seeing Burdocks face right before he destroys planet Vegeta. Anyway, I disagree with it not being able to be considered canon anymore. I don't know, Toriyama here has done something controversial it seams...

[RandomGuy96]

Wouldn't a power of near 10,000 be considered at least high-tier middle class. Dragon Ball minus is still something I have yet to read. Does it really destroy the credibility of "Father of Goku"? I decided to speak up here because I recently watched the tv special for the first time in Japanese and it blew me away. I love it and it fits perfectly, especially if you watch it after the DBZ episode where Goku appears and Freeza recognizes him from seeing Burdocks face right before he destroys planet Vegeta. Anyway, I disagree with it not being able to be considered canon anymore. I don't know, Toriyama here has done something controversial it seams...

Except he's not 10,000. That only comes from the special. Which isn't in the manga's continuity anymore. Hence why Toriyama said he isn't able to become a mid-class warrior.

Yeah, it does. It contradicts just about everything it possibly could in such a short amount of time. The DB Minus chapter written by Toriyama and the anime special created by Toei are completely different and irreconcilable stories.

I see his response as more of skating around the question he was asked, personally. He isn't going to come out and say something direct through fear of angering a subset of the fans. It's a pretty PR answer which doesn't go into too much detail so he doesn't get hounded. That answer leaves it pretty open.

Yes, he's a low-class warrior.

Does that mean his battle power is that of one? Toriyama never explicitly says that it is or isn't. All he says is a fact that we do know, he is a low-class warrior. I don't think that harms the credibility of the "Father of Goku" special.

But he's not skating around at all. He just says that Bardock isn't able to become a mid-class warrior, but that he could if he had a high enough battle power.

This isn't about the credibility of the special. Again, forget about it. It has no place in a manga discussion, at least not since Minus came out and declared it didn't happen.

[Hitiro]

But he's not skating around at all. He just says that Bardock isn't able to become a mid-class warrior, but that he could if he had a high enough battle power.

This isn't about the credibility of the special. Again, forget about it. It has no place in a manga discussion, at least not since Minus came out and declared it didn't happen.

Sorry, but he never says he isn't able to become a mid-class warrior. You are putting words in his mouth. All he says in regard to Bardock is that he is a low-class warrior and that Saiyans "can" be promoted to higher classes. Nowhere does he say Bardock isn't capable of being promoted to a higher class.

Edit: My bad, I went back and re-read the answer he gave and he does say that, sorry, lol.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Toriyama was asked about Bardock's battle power. If he believed that he was as strong as he was in the special, then he would have said something like "Bardock is a low-class warrior, but his BP is at elite level, but he never got promoted". Instead, he said (paraphrasing a little) "The classes are determined by the warrior's power, but they can be promoted if he gets strong enough. Bardock is in the upper ranks of low-class warriors, but he isn't able to become a mid-class warrior". It's very clear that Toriyama says that Bardock wasn't strong enough to become a mid-class.