Evidence supporting the idea of Kid Trunks > Future Trunks?

Angelus · Post by **Angelus** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:41 am

Pre-ROSAT or Post-ROSAT SSJ Kid Trunks, post your evidence that he was more powerful than SSJ/ASSJ/USSJ Future Trunks?

And if you think otherwise, that his Future self is superior, post evidence supporting such.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:56 am

Kid Trunks's held-back was powerful enough to scare #18 into ending the battle quickly, yet Future Trunks's attack in Gero's lab didn't make the Androids flinch one bit. Later, Vegeta's attack is enough to convince #18 that he isn't all that strong. This is all pre-rosat, though. We know Future Trunks is stronger than Semi-Cell after training, but when it comes to Kid Trunks, I'm not sure how he compares.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:03 am

Well, Daiz says Goten = Gohan in terms of power, which is supported by the manga when we see them training/sparring (Goten even forced him into the air) So we can safely say Gohan >= Goten. Goten is shown to be close to Kid Trunks as well, so Kid Trunks >= Goten. Which means we get something like;
Kid Trunks ~ Gohan (for arguments sake, I'll say Gohan >~ Kid Trunks) Also supported by Bulma saying that Vegeta wanted Trunks to be stronger than Gohan.

Now Gohan, while inferior to Kid self at the Cell Games, should still be ahead of Cell Games Goku, as he was confident in winning the tournament with Goku and Vegeta in it, so he probably thought he still had a good lead on them.

So; Teen Gohan > Cell Games Goku

Cell Games Goku was a good amount ahead of Cell Games Vegeta, who was slightly stronger than F. Trunks, so;

Teen Gohan > CG Goku >> CG Vegeta >= Future Trunks

so overral;

Kid Trunks =< Teen Gohan > CG Goku >> CG Vegeta >= F. Trunks

who's closer to Gohan on that chain?

Jackal puFF · Post by **Jackal puFF** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:54 am

Kid Trunks has a lot of potential to be more powerful than Future Trunks. Kid Trunks got to train with his Father and Goten plus everyone else maybe while Trunks in the future had just Gohan. But as far as we're shown it seems Trunks in the present didn't really grow up to be as strong as he should. Vegeta was saying he was a slacker or somewhat like that right? And if we go GT.. Yeah..

Future Trunks doesn't seem so much as a slacker. Plus he doesn't have to rely on someone else for a power boost.. (Goten) Present Trunks is doomed to be with Goten, his shadow.

Just judging from their personalities.

CatouttaHell · Post by **CatouttaHell** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:56 am

Both the manga and the guidebooks agree that SSj Teen Gohan, SSj Chibi Trunks, and SSj Goten are in rivaling range of each other.

Chibi Trunks is equivalent to Future Trunks after he trains for 7 years after his last appearance IMO. Keeping in mind that like DBM showed he'd probably be busy helping rebuild civilisation and training would be a secondary priority now that he's the strongest in the universe and all threats have been eliminated.

Hugo Boss · Post by **Hugo Boss** » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:15 am

Goten was close in power to Gohan, but his reflex were inferior to that of No.18 in the Budokai. Trunks thought that fighting directly with disguise would get in his way even in Super Saiyan mode, then he chose to settle the score with a ki blast, which tells me he isn't that much stronger than her. Given that he hasn't powered up greatly after this event, I would put him roughly on par with Future Trunks after his first RoSaT trip.

IDreamtIWasABee · Post by **IDreamtIWasABee** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:56 pm

Piccolo-Boo alone refutes this.

Had Kid Trunks been stronger than Piccolo, Boo would have taken on his (or Goten's) attributes and clothing. Since he didn't, Piccolo is stronger than Kid Trunks-and since Future Trunks is almost certainly stronger than Piccolo, well, there you have it.

Friezacooler · Post by **Friezacooler** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:03 pm

Have they ever met in the movies?

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:08 pm

IDreamtIWasABee wrote:Piccolo-Boo alone refutes this.

Had Kid Trunks been stronger than Piccolo, Boo would have taken on his (or Goten's) attributes and clothing. Since he didn't, Piccolo is stronger than Kid Trunks-and since Future Trunks is almost certainly stronger than Piccolo, well, there you have it.

The kids were in base inside Buu.

ZombieVito · Post by **ZombieVito** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:24 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
IDreamtIWasABee wrote:Piccolo-Boo alone refutes this.

Had Kid Trunks been stronger than Piccolo, Boo would have taken on his (or Goten's) attributes and clothing. Since he didn't, Piccolo is stronger than Kid Trunks-and since Future Trunks is almost certainly stronger than Piccolo, well, there you have it.
The kids were in base inside Buu.

What if Buu gets the persons full power even at base? It would explained why he lasted 30 minutes as Buutenks and not turn to Buuccolo after 5 minutes.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:31 pm

He used Gotenks's power for 30 mins?

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:40 pm

IDreamtIWasABee wrote:Piccolo-Boo alone refutes this.

Had Kid Trunks been stronger than Piccolo, Boo would have taken on his (or Goten's) attributes and clothing. Since he didn't, Piccolo is stronger than Kid Trunks-and since Future Trunks is almost certainly stronger than Piccolo, well, there you have it.

The kids were base, and Piccolo wouldn't have called the kids the worlds only hope if he was stronger than them.

CatouttaHell · Post by **CatouttaHell** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:41 pm

The only logical explanation for the Piccolo-Boo thing is that he took on Piccolo's characteristics because the kids defused into their base forms and that's all he had to rely on.

SSj Kids (Pre-RoSaT) are probably at least multi-food Piccolo considering they're shown and stated to rival SSj Teen Gohan both in the manga and the guidebooks. Not to mention how Piccolo nearly pissed his pants in terror when he saw them power up in front of him.

SSj Teen Gohan rivals Dabra, who Kaioshin is terrified of and knows he can do nothing against. Similiarly, Kaioshin is so far above Piccolo that he forfeited immediately after sensing him, saying their dimensions are too different.

ZombieVito · Post by **ZombieVito** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:44 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:He used Gotenks's power for 30 mins?

Yes. Buu tells Gohan he should have 10 more minutes to fight him before Gotenks defuses.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:55 pm

Zombie wrote:
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:He used Gotenks's power for 30 mins?
Yes. Buu tells Gohan he should have 10 more minutes to fight him before Gotenks defuses.

And Gotenks was SSJ3 inside of him for 10 minutes

Lord Beerus · Post by **Lord Beerus** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:28 pm

Kid Trunks was able to more than hold his own against #18 and Future Trunks got his ass beat with little effort. The guidebooks also state Kid Trunks and Goten as nearly identical in power and SSJ Goten was able to more than keep up with SSJ Gohan when they were sparring in the manga.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:13 pm

The Piccolo-Buu thing doesn't mean all that much anyway. I mean, we see Buu/Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo, and Buu/Piccolo, and they look way, way different. Going by their appearances, it's hard to say who's the most dominant in the first "Buuccolo."

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:38 pm

Not to mention that Dai Kaioshin was more dominant than South Kaioshin in Fat Boo, despite South Kaioshin being the strongest of the Kaioshin. You can argue Dai Kaioshin's a special case because he weakened Boo, but it's not like there was ever a concrete rule put down that Boo had to take the physical form of the strongest absorbed being.

RandomGuy96 · Post by **RandomGuy96** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:56 pm

Also, Piccolo-Buu was arguably more Goten and Trunks than he was Piccolo. Piccolo only added one item of clothing. Goten and Trunks warped his body, namely his face and hands. We see Buu with only Piccolo absorbed later, and he looks completely different, with less fingers, uglier facial features, and Piccolo's shirt.

ZombieVito · Post by **ZombieVito** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:35 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:
Zombie wrote:
Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:He used Gotenks's power for 30 mins?
Yes. Buu tells Gohan he should have 10 more minutes to fight him before Gotenks defuses.
And Gotenks was SSJ3 inside of him for 10 minutes

The problem is he can only stay SSJ3 for 5 minutes.

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