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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:28 pm

FoolsGil wrote:And we're back...How did Buu even escape? Wasn't Gast's ability inescapable? And couldn't Vegetto or Gast notice by power signature that Buu is still free?
Read my comment above yours.

For Buu its incredibly easy to avoid being captured since he can just leave a piece of himself hidden somewhere.

Right now we don't know if Gast's technique actually subdued Buu but Buu actually had a back-up plan (control of the Kaioshin and a piece of himself hidden somewhere), or if Buu planned to be stopped and so he faked being unable to break free when Gast acted.

As for him not being detected, its simply a matter of totally concealing his presence and energy. A being like Buu probably can do it better than anyone and elude even Vegetto and Gast.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:49 pm

Well at least we're back to the main story. I must admit I was incredibly disappointed with the last special. Hell I even think it was just something to stall the fans for time, and it was done horribly. Guess having a special after each chapter is going to be the norm with this.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:51 pm

It has always been the norm, except in the very beginning of the fanmanga: http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en ... tersmode=0

As you can see in that link, ever since chapter 7, there has always been a special between main chapters, sometimes more than one. And chapter 7 ended in 2009.

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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:00 pm

Ah okay. Still, they really need to work on the specials. The only one I truly liked was Gast's second special. Great art, great execution, and pure Gast curb stomping. Probably one of the reasons why I like him.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:07 pm

The specials exist mainly to give time to the main artists to work and not put the fanmanga on hiatus. That's why they have special guests to fill in.

The stories of the specials are simple and mostly about fights because they can't be long enough to last more than 20 or so pages and because they weren't actually meant to exist (which means that they will just focus on some details, nothing very developed). If they could do it without hiatus and without much trouble, they would just have the main chapters coming out at the usual schedule. Since they can't, they chose to let some special guests entertain us a bit between chapters.

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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:05 pm

rereboy wrote:The specials exist mainly to give time to the main artists to work and not put the fanmanga on hiatus. That's why they have special guests to fill in.

The stories of the specials are simple and mostly about fights because they can't be long enough to last more than 20 or so pages and because they weren't actually meant to exist (which means that they will just focus on some details, nothing very developed). If they could do it without hiatus and without much trouble, they would just have the main chapters coming out at the usual schedule. Since they can't, they chose to let some special guests entertain us a bit between chapters.
They can still at least plan them out better and answer some questions the main story presents, like who the hell those girls are in Bojack's universe and how come they are participating. Universe 19 could also use some explanation.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:19 pm

BlazingBarrrager wrote: They can still at least plan them out better and answer some questions the main story presents, like who the hell those girls are in Bojack's universe and how come they are participating. Universe 19 could also use some explanation.
Proper development and world building would take more than 20 pages. Much more.

In this last special chapter, for example, we could have had a special telling us in detail about Bojack early life, why and how he came to be a criminal, how exactly their world was destroyed, detailed backgrounds for all the Bojack's crew, as well regarding those guys from Freeza's race, proper long conversations or exposition between characters letting us know more about them and their personality, details regarding the experiments and the evolution of their power, an detailed examination of what they did after leaving the complex, etc etc.... Pretty much all you can think of. Could this be done in 20 pages? That would be impossible.

Not to mention that some universes were probably thought up without an actual detailed timeline of all the things different in it compared to other universes.

For example, the girls from Bojack's universe were probably thought up as a group of girls with weird abilities from an unknown planet in that universe that for some reason doesn't exist or was destroyed or something like that in the other universes. They probably don't have many more details figured out about them. So, if they do a special about them, since it has to be short and they don't have that many details about them anyway, the special would focus on just some details that they decide on and then it would be done.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:21 pm

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BlazingBarrrager wrote: They can still at least plan them out better and answer some questions the main story presents, like who the hell those girls are in Bojack's universe and how come they are participating. Universe 19 could also use some explanation.
Proper development and world building would take more than 20 pages. Much more.

This last chapter, for example, we could have a special telling us in detail about Bojack early life, why and how he came to be a criminal, how exactly their world was destroyed, detailed backgrounds for all the Bojack's crew, as well regarding those guys from Freeza's race, proper long conversations or exposition between characters letting us know more about them and their personality, details regarding the experiments and the evolution of their power, an detailed examination of what they did after leaving the complex, etc etc.... Pretty much all you can think of. Could this be done in 20 pages? That would be impossible.
Fair enough.

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Post by Tzigi » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:59 am

BlazingBarrrager wrote:Universe 19 could also use some explanation.
There are several pages' worth of text describing its story in detail but, since it deviates from the DB-storyline so much, Salagir doesn't really want to "spend" his artists on such chapters so it's quite likely that there won't ever be any u19 special manga chapter.

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Post by mAcChaos » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:18 pm

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Oh wow. This one page tops like the last three chapters.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:23 pm

West Kaioshin is still one of my favorite designs ever.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:48 pm

Oh wow. This one page tops like the last three chapters.
Yep.
West Kaioshin is still one of my favorite designs ever.
Why? I'm curious.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:43 pm

Are we ever going to find out about Captain Ginyu? I remember a few people brought up the idea that Ginyu is the Great Kaioshin.
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Post by Marco Polo » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:46 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Are we ever going to find out about Captain Ginyu?
Why wouldn't we?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:52 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
West Kaioshin is still one of my favorite designs ever.
Why? I'm curious.
I like the Kaioshin designs in general, ever since I first saw East Kaioshin in the show. West Kaioshin is just my favorite out of them. After Piccolo and 23rd Budokai Chi-Chi, she's my favorite character design in the series.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by BlazingBarrrager » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:12 pm

I just hope U18 (aka the original manga cast) get more screen time than U16, because the latter sure has been hogging for a while.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hades » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:16 pm

I'm not sure what Freeza's going to do against U18 Goku now that he's at SSJ3. As for Goku, what happens next depends on his mood as he can go from quick and painless or slow and horrible.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:30 pm

BlazingBarrrager wrote:I just hope U18 (aka the original manga cast) get more screen time than U16, because the latter sure has been hogging for a while.
I've read some people say U16 are the main characters in DBM, but I don't know if they said that in jest or if they were serious.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:17 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Are we ever going to find out about Captain Ginyu?
Why wouldn't we?
They have been teasing him for a while now. I would imagine that there will be some build up to his appearance. There are some theories that Buu, Vegito, XXL or Ginyu will be the final villain of DBM. I do dig the new cover page a lot since the art work looks great and makes me happy that we are back to the normal story again. I think Buu is the best character in DBM to date.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheBritWriter » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:57 pm

rereboy wrote:
BlazingBarrrager wrote: They can still at least plan them out better and answer some questions the main story presents, like who the hell those girls are in Bojack's universe and how come they are participating. Universe 19 could also use some explanation.
Proper development and world building would take more than 20 pages. Much more.
A good chapter can fit under 20 pages, even 11 if you ruled out the subplots and other character perspective that would be expanded in future issues, cost of paper does not give writers and artists to go crazy with paper usage. Alan Moore's Top Ten 'book 2' opening chapter 'the overview' has 24 pages, with nine of those pages focusing on starting up other story arcs for future chapters and aren't related to the main story of the chapter. It can easily just be 15 pages. I went to Leeds thought bubble and I bought a short story comic last year, and that was 12 pages, yet it explained the setting, drama and characters very well. Proper development and world building can be done under 20 pages.

It does take more then 20 pages to build up on DBM tournament itself, which is understandable but a one-shot special like the recent Bojack can be done with less whilst still giving out strong character development, and it's not a complex plot, with a bit of time and planning it can be done.

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