Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Tzigi]

It took us almost 7 years to reach 1000 pages on this thread and yet DBM is still not over. DBM should have ended years ago.

Nope. The end is planned for around 2020. source

Stupid filler and pointless specials really slow down DBM in my opinion.

Just how do they slow down DBM? If they weren't there, there would be simply 2-month breaks between chapters of the regular story.

[dbzfan7]

I get some enjoyment no matter what. If things get dumb and stupid I get a laugh at how dumb and stupid things these people thought were good. If it's good I get to enjoy a good thing and believe the story is more competent. I can say the comic keeps me entertained when it does some cool, funny, or memorable things, or when it's so dumb it's terrible.

Yeah it's not perfect but in my opinion it's still the best overall Dragonball fan comic. The only other long-running fan comic was the legendary Little Saiyalings. The rest are either GT-sequels that follow the same basic formula or side-stories that last less than a 100 pages if they finish and aren't discontinued.

I'd rather discontinued or unfinished good fan comics then one with fantastic art, but a fluctuating story between good, bad, awful, and mediocre. Nothing tops "Who wants to be a Super Hero" in my opinion. I could see that one with a few changes being a perfect extension to the Dragon Ball serialization. DBM is definitely not in that same regard and I could never see it being a continuation with it's multitude of issues. It makes a decent fan comic overall, but it's not something I can truly classify as a continuation I'd be all about. Sure most fan comics don't try to be, but some can be good enough to even feel like a continuation. In the written world I like to think GTR is the true Dragon Ball GT. Looks to be the real sequel to DBZ.

Stupid filler and pointless specials really slow down DBM in my opinion.

Just how do they slow down DBM? If they weren't there, there would be simply 2-month breaks between chapters of the regular story.

I wouldn't mind that at all. Quality over quantity. Take that two month break to either make the main comic better, or for planning not so crappy specials.

[Hellspawn28]

I think instead having specials, you do a chapter a month or release six pages once every two weeks. For example, you get six pages this Wednesday then you get another six more two weeks from now. Kinda how the NC does with his videos since he makes a new review once every two weeks for the past two years.

[rereboy]

I think instead having specials, you do a chapter a month or release six pages once every two weeks. For example, you get six pages this Wednesday then you get another six more two weeks from now. Kinda how the NC does with his videos since he makes a new review once every two weeks for the past two years.

Releasing 6 pages per 2 week is what they are already doing (3 per week). They just divide the release throughout those two weeks instead of releasing the 6 pages in a single day. However, without specials, they wouldn't be able to keep the schedule and they would have hiatus. Therefore, you continue to not make sense.

And 1 chapter per month? That would be 6 pages per week instead of 2 weeks. Obviously it would be even worse and even more specials would be required.

I wouldn't mind that at all. Quality over quantity. Take that two month break to either make the main comic better, or for planning not so crappy specials.

Its so hard ignoring the specials instead of just letting the people who rather have them than an hiatus just have them, right?

Its quite literally the same thing for you, the specials not existing or you completely ignoring the specials, but you still prefer to have them not exist because you don't care at all with those that would rather have the specials than the hiatus, just with what you prefer, even if it makes no difference to you.

Well, see, Salagir actually cares a bit so he gives the audience something to keep them entertained instead of an hiatus and he just figures that those who don't like the specials will just ignore them and read just the main chapters instead. But you fault him for that. Hm...

Btw, as great as who wants to be a super hero is, its a pure comedy. Its amazing, but it hardly works as something that could be an official sequel to dragon ball, unless they wanted to drastically change the shonen nature of Dragon Ball which simply won't happen. I love that fan comic but I don't let myself be blinded by how much I like it regarding that fact.

Also, you are completely forgetting that if DBM was adapted/reduced drastically to just the things that what you find great about it, it would be like one of those incomplete/short fan comics that you are praising. See, my point is that is significantly easier to have a short unfinished comic that is great because it uses a couple of great ideas and doesn't even finish than an actual long comic that is long and developed and actually goes somewhere and tries to finish it. But, once again, you fault Salagir/DBM for that.

Honestly, I believe your whole post was just talking about this stuff emotionally without thinking rationally about it and what's behind each comic. But whatever you say.

[Marco Polo]

It took us almost 7 years to reach 1000 pages on this thread and yet DBM is still not over. DBM should have ended years ago.

Nope. The end is planned for around 2020. source

Interesting. By 2020 I wonder how much the ongoing BoG/FnF DB continuation will have diverged from EoZ/DBM.

[Skar]

Actually, I started the current incarnation of New Age in '05 (March 17, 2015 is the 10 year anniversary). Even though it is the second Saga, I'm still more than 400 pages in (blame my revamping). I have spoken to Salagir before about doing DBM. He and I both came to the conclusion that it was unfair to ask me to stop doing my story to focus on his, which is why I have only done mini-comics for them.

Well it's still impressive to have reached 400 pages considering it's one of only two fan comics to reach that. Yeah it would be difficult to meet the schedule for two fan comics. Have you considered doing a short special?

I'd rather discontinued or unfinished good fan comics then one with fantastic art, but a fluctuating story between good, bad, awful, and mediocre.

I honestly don't know what's so awful or mediocre about it. In my opinion DBM is one of the most creative and original fan comic. It's one of the few comics I've seen that has any suspense. The only questions I find myself asking when reading other fan comics is "I wonder what previous villain the next villain will be based on?" or "will the next villain be defeated with a new SSJ transformation, fusion, or a different new power-up that remind some of an old power-up?". If DBM was the usual GT sequel then would you consider it less awful or mediocre?

I wouldn't mind that at all. Quality over quantity. Take that two month break to either make the main comic better, or for planning not so crappy specials.

The main comic would have the same quality regardless since the main artists don't contribute to the specials. Unlike most filler the specials do sometimes give us some backstory on the competing universes. Yeah they are drawn out but a person who doesn't like the specials could easily skip over the entire chapter. I think that's better than how it was in the anime where the filler was buried within the main story episodes and it had fluctuating animation quality. The only way to skip that kind of filler would be to edit the episode and cut it out yourself...or wait many years later for Kai . Even then you notice how inconsistent the animation quality was. It would've been better if ALL the filler was put into side-story sagas like Garlic Jr saga or the Other World Tournament saga so that you could easily skip them. Have the best artists work on the main manga episodes and give the filler sagas to the less-than-great artists.

I think instead having specials, you do a chapter a month or release six pages once every two weeks. For example, you get six pages this Wednesday then you get another six more two weeks from now. Kinda how the NC does with his videos since he makes a new review once every two weeks for the past two years.

I've noticed this is one of the most frequent complaints on here. I thought the point of the forum was to mainly talk about the story . If people feel that strongly about changing he schedule then I would suggest emailing the DBM team. In the link posted by Tzigi it shows that DBM gets over 200,000 views a week so 99.9% don't seem to have a problem with the schedule. It's unlikely they would change the entire schedule for a few people but emailing them would be the only chance those complaints would get heard.

[Malik_DBNA]

Actually, I started the current incarnation of New Age in '05 (March 17, 2015 is the 10 year anniversary). Even though it is the second Saga, I'm still more than 400 pages in (blame my revamping). I have spoken to Salagir before about doing DBM. He and I both came to the conclusion that it was unfair to ask me to stop doing my story to focus on his, which is why I have only done mini-comics for them.

Well it's still impressive to have reached 400 pages considering it's one of only two fan comics to reach that. Yeah it would be difficult to meet the schedule for two fan comics. Have you considered doing a short special?

I think that particular milestone says a lot. And yes, I have thought about talking to Salagir about doing one of the specials. My current update regimen has put me over 20 pages ahead of the revamps I posted, so doing a short would be in the realm of possibility

[TheGmGoken]

Btw, as great as who wants to be a super hero is, its a pure comedy. Its amazing, but it hardly works as something that could be an official sequel to dragon ball, unless they wanted to drastically change the shonen nature of Dragon Ball which simply won't happen. I love that fan comic but I don't let myself be blinded by how much I like it regarding that fact.

Coming from someone who doesn't like WWTBASH and DBM. I believe SuperHero would be best used as a spin off a LA Naruto SD. And trust me I took your advice of skipping special (I rarely comment on them now). It helps a TINY tiny bit. So I began skipping main chapters. Then I got lost and had to reread the bad stuff. Looking at it from an artist-writer point of view (I have my own manga now. So my views been altered). I understand why it takes breaks on the main chapter with special ones. I understand the process of translating and putting up work. However my biggest issue with DBM now is that it's a 1 character show maybe 2. Zen Boo and XXI. It's just those two that makes me read it. Everyone else is just so...boring it doesn't make for good fun. And before you read. I grew up on so many entertainment shit that I learn to easily read through terrible stuff honestly. From wrestling (WHICH had horrible periods), Bootleg Rip off Korean shows, TV shows jumping the shark, and cliche Anime that is awful. Those take up much more time than a 2 second read and a 60 seconds comment for DBM. DBM is on average a 4-5 out of ten. When it gets good. It's easily an 8/10. But similar to WWE. The bad outweights the good. But when it gets good YOU HAVE to watch. I'll give credit that DBM is still alive. But it doesn't make it even better. I've seen other DB Fanfiction that are short but good(Why extend the nesscary length). I've seen unfinished work that I wished had finish. Lots of time I watch YouTube fanfiction that uses video games. They tend to finish and they're awesome.

[goku1234]

[Skar]

I think that particular milestone says a lot. And yes, I have thought about talking to Salagir about doing one of the specials. My current update regimen has put me over 20 pages ahead of the revamps I posted, so doing a short would be in the realm of possibility

Have you thought about which universe(s) you would be interested in drawing?

DBM is on average a 4-5 out of ten. When it gets good. It's easily an 8/10.

Here are my questions:
What do you rate the other fan comics?
Would you rate DBM higher if it was another GT sequel?
If you feel it's a 4-5/10 on average then what would you recommend to make it better?

[TheGmGoken]

Here are my questions:
What do you rate the other fan comics?
Would you rate DBM higher if it was another GT sequel?
If you feel it's a 4-5/10 on average then what would you recommend to make it better?

1. Give me some names. At least 3-5.
2. I don't care about whenever or not it's a DBGT sequel. I care for a story that can entertain me. GT actually had a nice ending so I actually prefer non GT sequels. Dbgt is irrelevant to me. I don't know why you ask.

3. Have specials that's actually good. I understand they're "filler" but the majority doesn't have to be boring. The plot also have the get interesting more often. Not in small doses.

[Skar]

1. Give me some names. At least 3-5.
2. I don't care about whenever or not it's a DBGT sequel. I care for a story that can entertain me. GT actually had a nice ending so I actually prefer non GT sequels. Dbgt is irrelevant to me. I don't know why you ask.

3. Have specials that's actually good. I understand they're "filler" but the majority doesn't have to be boring. The plot also have the get interesting more often. Not in small doses.

1. Every story where a super strong alien that's never been sensed before lands on Earth for revenge or a good fight, kicks everyone's ass, and is defeated with SSJ5 or fusion.
2. I asked because I've noticed one of the main complaints about DBM is that it doesn't include GT.
3. Every artist would want their story to become more interesting so could you recommend how? Put the story on haitus until they can find better artists for the specials? Replace some of the contestants? Rearrange their positions on the tournament bracket? Give them new transformations or abilities they never had before?

[TheGmGoken]

1. Give me some names. At least 3-5.
2. I don't care about whenever or not it's a DBGT sequel. I care for a story that can entertain me. GT actually had a nice ending so I actually prefer non GT sequels. Dbgt is irrelevant to me. I don't know why you ask.

3. Have specials that's actually good. I understand they're "filler" but the majority doesn't have to be boring. The plot also have the get interesting more often. Not in small doses.

1. Every story where a super strong alien that's never been sensed before lands on Earth for revenge or a good fight, kicks everyone's ass, and is defeated with SSJ5 or fusion.
2. I asked because I've noticed one of the main complaints about DBM is that it doesn't include GT.
3. Every artist would want their story to become more interesting so could you recommend how? Put the story on haitus until they can find better artists for the specials? Replace some of the contestants? Rearrange their positions on the tournament bracket? Give them new transformations or abilities they never had before?

1. Not following. I didn't mention SSJ5 in my post. I asked to name me other fan mangas that you want me to rate. Sorry if I mislead you.

2. I've never seen any complaints about a lack of DBGT. I've however seen complaints about plot, pacing (unfairly), and the characters.

3. The main story is always on hiatus. The specials are filler. I don't care about the art. I read an entire story from the "nerds" on campus that used stick fingers. And it wasn't bad. Then I read a story with great art but shittt story. The artstyle isn't an issue with me. My issue is with the boring plot that doesn't get GOOD often. If DBM got good more often then I wouldn't have an issue.

[Skar]

1. Not following. I didn't mention SSJ5 in my post. I asked to name me other fan mangas that you want me to rate. Sorry if I mislead you.

2. I've never seen any complaints about a lack of DBGT. I've however seen complaints about plot, pacing (unfairly), and the characters.

3. The main story is always on hiatus. The specials are filler. I don't care about the art. I read an entire story from the "nerds" on campus that used stick fingers. And it wasn't bad. Then I read a story with great art but shittt story. The artstyle isn't an issue with me. My issue is with the boring plot that doesn't get GOOD often. If DBM got good more often then I wouldn't have an issue.

1. I didn't want to list every story so I just summarized the first saga of most of them.

3. I doubt Salagir sits there and says to himself "I have some ideas to make DBM good...but I won't use them MUHAHA" . What would you recommend to make DBM good more often?

[rereboy]

It would be easy to make DBM better, but it would require something that they simply can't do as a fan manga. Which is simply to "waste" more time in character interactions (serious and humorous).

[dbzfan7]

Its so hard ignoring the specials instead of just letting the people who rather have them than an hiatus just have them, right?

Its quite literally the same thing for you, the specials not existing or you completely ignoring the specials, but you still prefer to have them not exist because you don't care at all with those that would rather have the specials than the hiatus, just with what you prefer, even if it makes no difference to you.

Well, see, Salagir actually cares a bit so he gives the audience something to keep them entertained instead of an hiatus and he just figures that those who don't like the specials will just ignore them and read just the main chapters instead. But you fault him for that. Hm...

Btw, as great as who wants to be a super hero is, its a pure comedy. Its amazing, but it hardly works as something that could be an official sequel to dragon ball, unless they wanted to drastically change the shonen nature of Dragon Ball which simply won't happen. I love that fan comic but I don't let myself be blinded by how much I like it regarding that fact.

Also, you are completely forgetting that if DBM was adapted/reduced drastically to just the things that what you find great about it, it would be like one of those incomplete/short fan comics that you are praising. See, my point is that is significantly easier to have a short unfinished comic that is great because it uses a couple of great ideas and doesn't even finish than an actual long comic that is long and developed and actually goes somewhere and tries to finish it. But, once again, you fault Salagir/DBM for that.

Honestly, I believe your whole post was just talking about this stuff emotionally without thinking rationally about it and what's behind each comic. But whatever you say.

Hey if they want to churn out turds just cause people can't be fucking patient and wait for something good, fine. There call. It's like being told to be grateful that Toriyama did Dragon Ball Minus or to just ignore it as it's so small. Not how it works. Specials as well as minus are part of the stories. They are supposed to explain back stories, so ignoring them leaves things ambiguous. If I ignored say the Hildegarn special I would have no clue as to why Tapion and Hildegarn are even fighting together. You seem like one of those people who's like "blah blah blah be grateful you get anything, blah blah blah everything is perfect"

I do not see the merit of adding something to a storyline if it isn't good? It's like if Toei started churning out Tv specials for Dragon Ball every 4 or 6 months, and they all turned out mediocre to crap. Would you really want that? Would you want toei to produce a special for say the Daimao past if the result would be terrible? Specials should feel like a great addition to a story. Specials most of the time here are padding nonsense. Of course I'm going to fault Salagir or whoever for them as they are not well thought out. If he cares to do something over something with quality it's his call. Doesn't stop me from enjoying in either a good, or it's so shit it's funny way. I win either way.

It's the only story which I believe could be a special placed during the 10 year gap. I believe it'd fit just like the YSGAFR special. It'd also give Piccolo, Vegeta, and other people screen time in a story that's not just about bad guy want planet go boom or something evil must be combatant.

DBM's problem is it's lack of focus. Can you imagine any of the Tenkaichi Budokai's in Dragon Ball being written like it? The tournaments always focused on our heroes and the villains if there were one in the tourney. In DBM they have the ambitious idea to spread the focus all over the place to the point where the story has to accommodate way too many people. The specials I believe should cover the extra people so the main story can focus on our heroes in the tournament while giving some time to some of the other important players in the story. As of now it works kind of like a random episode day of say The Simpsons. If you don't like a Lisa Episode, too fucking bad that's what this whole fight, round, or special is while the people you know will more than likely have nothing interesting to say or do. The core of Dragon Ball has always been about Goku and Friends, this series goes far beyond it which is good and bad. Good in the sense it shows some villains perspective and other characters, bad as in we have no real core characters to follow. I'm not invested in anyone of our heroes as nothing they're doing is important and they hardly seem important to the story at all.

I'd rather discontinued or unfinished good fan comics then one with fantastic art, but a fluctuating story between good, bad, awful, and mediocre.

I honestly don't know what's so awful or mediocre about it. In my opinion DBM is one of the most creative and original fan comic. It's one of the few comics I've seen that has any suspense. The only questions I find myself asking when reading other fan comics is "I wonder what previous villain the next villain will be based on?" or "will the next villain be defeated with a new SSJ transformation, fusion, or a different new power-up that remind some of an old power-up?". If DBM was the usual GT sequel then would you consider it less awful or mediocre?

Excluding the logic of some specials, continuity choice, and some other problems as I'd like to stick to my big kicker. The story is the biggest problem for me. I am not the least bit invested. I don't give a fuck about any of the characters as they are mostly doing nothing important or there is no conflicts. DBM being just a fan service manga to have characters fight other characters is when DBM does it's basic job right, but as a story it fails. It has interesting ideas and suggestions that something is going on behind the scenes, however it doesn't just give us something of a conflict beforehand to enjoy. All the Dragon Ball TB's had me care about the conflicts as well as the dilemma's. In DBM they aren't nearly as prominent, and when they are it's usually from someone we barely know.

The main comic would have the same quality regardless since the main artists don't contribute to the specials. Unlike most filler the specials do sometimes give us some backstory on the competing universes. Yeah they are drawn out but a person who doesn't like the specials could easily skip over the entire chapter. I think that's better than how it was in the anime where the filler was buried within the main story episodes and it had fluctuating animation quality. The only way to skip that kind of filler would be to edit the episode and cut it out yourself...or wait many years later for Kai . Even then you notice how inconsistent the animation quality was. It would've been better if ALL the filler was put into side-story sagas like Garlic Jr saga or the Other World Tournament saga so that you could easily skip them. Have the best artists work on the main manga episodes and give the filler sagas to the less-than-great artists.

I pointed this out but the specials do explain things that are more than likely to come up in the main story. I skip them in the sense I won't follow page by page, but not in the sense to not see if there's something I need to know for later (Like Hildegarn/Tapion) or Gast. Hey if Salagir buts in bold "WILL NOT BE MENTIONED IN MAIN COMIC" I'll gladly skip over it even if it falls into the same category as something like Minus and being a waste of talent.

[TheGmGoken]

It would be easy to make DBM better, but it would require something that they simply can't do as a fan manga. Which is simply to "waste" more time in character interactions (serious and humorous).

That is something people don't get. For once I agree with Rereboy. Unless I misunderstood. Are you saying that there's more action than character interaction because fans love action?

1. I didn't want to list every story so I just summarized the first saga of most of them.

Well... it'll help if you named some. It seems like you're just implying that I love all GT sequels. Just give a few examples.

[rereboy]

It would be easy to make DBM better, but it would require something that they simply can't do as a fan manga. Which is simply to "waste" more time in character interactions (serious and humorous).

That is something people don't get. For once I agree with Rereboy. Unless I misunderstood. Are you saying that there's more action than character interaction because fans love action?

1. I didn't want to list every story so I just summarized the first saga of most of them.

Well... it'll help if you named some. It seems like you're just implying that I love all GT sequels. Just give a few examples.

No, I'm saying that, since its a fan manga that takes a long time to make, they are forced to abbreviate some things so that the manga isn't impossibly long. It took all these years just to get us to this point, imagine if they "wasted" much more time in character interactions. I believe that it would make the manga better but its not feasible for a fan manga which has to prioritize stuff so that it doesn't take too damn long. Even now, taking too long is already one of the major complains lol.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

since kid Goten and kid Trunks had no training at all

Goten doesn't remember the first time he turned Super Saiyan, and his reasoning for being so strong is because he was playing fighting (aka sparring) with Trunks. The Daizenshuu add that they are greater prodigies than Gohan, and they can master Super Saiyan more easily at a young age, because they are born without tails, not because of their dads.

However, DBM ignores the Daizenshuu, and we have no idea how Potara magic would work in an off-spring, or if it would have any effect. So, anyone who claims that Bra being so strong is bullshit, it's not because it doesn't make sense, it's only because they don't like Salagir's fan-theory "the off-spring is always stronger than the parents", which fits perfectly going only by the manga. I don't like it either, but I wouldn't call it bullshit.

[dbzfan7]

Goten doesn't remember the first time he turned Super Saiyan, and his reasoning for being so strong is because he was playing fighting (aka sparring) with Trunks. The Daizenshuu add that they are greater prodigies than Gohan, and they can master Super Saiyan more easily at a young age, because they are born without tails, not because of their dads.

However, DBM ignores the Daizenshuu, and we have no idea how Potara magic would work in an off-spring, or if it would have any effect. So, anyone who claims that Bra being so strong is bullshit, it's not because it doesn't make sense, it's only because they don't like Salagir's fan-theory "the off-spring is always stronger than the parents", which fits perfectly going only by the manga. I don't like it either, but I wouldn't call it bullshit.

This is one thing I'm not sure I could call bullshit on, just that like a lot of people I don't like it. Though really I don't think anyone really likes a character like Bra being stronger than all of the heroes we love. Gohan might be on par with her when she's just SSJ from a past tier list I believe, but with her uncontrolled SSJ2 she is superior. By the standings it seems more than likely that Gast will fight Bra. If Gast truly is stronger than Zen Boo, he will wreck her shit and I will be very satisfied.