Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[RandomGuy96]

I think the interesting question is, if Goku does win, what then? Will they find a way to fix him before his next fight?

There's nothing to fix. It's all in their heads.

[miguelnuva1]

I think the interesting question is, if Goku does win, what then? Will they find a way to fix him before his next fight?

There's nothing to fix. It's all in their heads.

I bet that's the trick. Goku will realize it's his head and switch back to normal.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Satan has never been hit by anyone stronger than him. His stomach ache only prevented him from finishing Cell off, it didn't decrease his durability.

Beerus is irrelevant since he's from a movie. But he was holding back massively anyway. Goku has zero reason to be holding back, given that he just went SS3 in an attempt to end. No, you're wrong there, that's happened many, many times in the series. Roshi KO'd Yamcha by waving a hand in his general direction. Kami KO'd Goku by flicking him. Gohan made a Cell Jr explode with a backhand slap. Tao killed Blue by poking him... with his tongue. Recoome crippled Krillin with a casual kick while trying to hold back. And so on.

I like how you seem to think it's entirely up to you what's relevant or not.

Mr. Satan has been hit three times (that I can recall) by people far, far stronger than him. He got backhanded by Cell and went flying into a mountain - his head didn't come off. He got 'lightly' punched by Trunks, who yes, was holding back, but that doesn't mean the gap between them isn't still extremely significant...and his head didn't explode. He got punched right in the face by Kid Boo, the LAST character in the series that's ever going to be holding back (hell, the whole part of him spitting out the fat Boo was to make it where he wouldn't have to), and he survived.

I concede, I forgot all about Gohan dealing with the Cell Juniors - that would definitely be a case of someone getting hit really hard by someone far stronger than them, and literally getting their heads blown off. And now that I think about it, there is also the incident where Nappa literally punched Tenshinhan's arm off, and Boo did punch Babidi's head into nothing. So there are examples of this, you've got me there. All those other examples you bring up though? They don't exactly factor in here because barring Tao killing Blue, none of them result in death; nobody's body literally gets torn apart just by being hit by someone stronger than them.

If anything, this just proves that that 'effect' is radically inconsistent and you can't really make a call on it one way or another with any success. So Freeza not getting his head knocked off by Goku there is perfectly legitimate, whether you like it or not.

[mAcChaos]

^It obviously means that Goku aged so much already that his base form is weak enough to make SSJ and SSJ2 weaker than Freeza.

How could Goku possibly lose so much? It's never implied at any point in the manga that simply aging causing you to lose power so rapidly. Piccolo Daimao was aged into a geezer while doing zero training and he barely lost any power.

He's a Namekian. They always age slower.

And anyway, this is DBM. In the manga it might not do much but apparently in DBM it does.

[rereboy]

It's never implied in the manga how much power they would lose aging that rapidly in such a short period of time, while suffocating and while being numbed by freezing cold.

Its perfectly subjective just how much power they would lose in those conditions.

Which is why we don't even need to argue that fighters being one-shotted in Dragon Ball is inconsistent. This scenario is a perfectly legitimate justification for Freeza to not be one-shotted when Goku is trying to one-shot him.

[Regarder]

Guys, again, in an "illusory" world, why does Freeza's durability have to match his real life durability? This is a battle of wills, only Goku hasn't cottoned on yet.

[RandomGuy96]

Satan has never been hit by anyone stronger than him. His stomach ache only prevented him from finishing Cell off, it didn't decrease his durability.

Beerus is irrelevant since he's from a movie. But he was holding back massively anyway. Goku has zero reason to be holding back, given that he just went SS3 in an attempt to end. No, you're wrong there, that's happened many, many times in the series. Roshi KO'd Yamcha by waving a hand in his general direction. Kami KO'd Goku by flicking him. Gohan made a Cell Jr explode with a backhand slap. Tao killed Blue by poking him... with his tongue. Recoome crippled Krillin with a casual kick while trying to hold back. And so on.

I like how you seem to think it's entirely up to you what's relevant or not.

Mr. Satan has been hit three times (that I can recall) by people far, far stronger than him. He got backhanded by Cell and went flying into a mountain - his head didn't come off. He got 'lightly' punched by Trunks, who yes, was holding back, but that doesn't mean the gap between them isn't still extremely significant...and his head didn't explode. He got punched right in the face by Kid Boo, the LAST character in the series that's ever going to be holding back (hell, the whole part of him spitting out the fat Boo was to make it where he wouldn't have to), and he survived.

I concede, I forgot all about Gohan dealing with the Cell Juniors - that would definitely be a case of someone getting hit really hard by someone far stronger than them, and literally getting their heads blown off. And now that I think about it, there is also the incident where Nappa literally punched Tenshinhan's arm off, and Boo did punch Babidi's head into nothing. So there are examples of this, you've got me there. All those other examples you bring up though? They don't exactly factor in here because barring Tao killing Blue, none of them result in death; nobody's body literally gets torn apart just by being hit by someone stronger than them.

If anything, this just proves that that 'effect' is radically inconsistent and you can't really make a call on it one way or another with any success. So Freeza not getting his head knocked off by Goku there is perfectly legitimate, whether you like it or not.

BOG isn't canon to DBM. Salagir's words, not mine.

Mr. Satan has never been hit by someone stronger than him. He had a stomach ache while fighting Cell, and was explicitly holding back against Trunks. Because he's the champ, and wouldn't go all out on a kid. Same story with Buu.

They do, very much so, because they're all examples of someone getting one-shotted with a bare minimum of effort. Recoome was only three times stronger than Krillin, and tried to hold back, yet he still broke most of Krillin's bones with a kick. Goku should have no trouble one-shotting Freeza here.

Incorrect.

He's a Namekian. They always age slower.

It doesn't matter. He still became really old for a Namekian, and he barely lost power. Simply becoming old doesn't cause you to get way weaker.

[Gyt Kaliba]

The fact that this is all an illusion, as well as there being extenuating circumstances, are both valid points. Perhaps I took my points too far, but I do stand by them in the notion that some are looking into this way too deeply for something that's not even consistent outside of this context to begin with.

...You know what, I could rebuke you further though Random, but there seems to be little point. The fact that you're blatantly ignoring that Mr. Satan has indeed been hit by people stronger than him, just so you can still try to support your own argument - if that's what you really want to call it at this point... - means that you're completely unwilling to admit when you're wrong, even partially. Something I did do. If you can't even concede on the small parts where you're wrong, then you're not even worth debating with. It's like talking to a brick wall, just one with a stubborn attitude.

[Insertclevername]

Kind of just jumped in here, but how is Freeza doing this?

[ParkerAL]

I'm... a tad confused, RandomGuy96. Do you really believe Mr. Satan was stronger than Cell and Trunks and only lost because he didn't fight at full power? If so, then... gosh, I don't know to respond to that kind of reasoning. I mean, I've disagreed with your posts plenty of times before, but in those cases I could at least understand your argument. As much as I love Mr. Satan as a character and respect his hero credentials in the series, when it comes down to purely physical strength, Mr. Satan is only a champ among chumps (regular humans).

As for why Freeza hasn't been one-shotted yet, allow me to quote some sage wisdom from the MSTK3 Theme Song:

If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
And other science facts,
Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show,"
I should really just relax

[ZombieVito]

I'm... a tad confused, RandomGuy96. Do you really believe Mr. Satan was stronger than Cell and Trunks and only lost because he didn't fight at full power? If so, then... gosh, I don't know to respond to that kind of reasoning. I mean, I've disagreed with your posts plenty of times before, but in those cases I could at least understand your argument. As much as I love Mr. Satan as a character and respect his hero credentials in the series, when it comes down to purely physical strength, Mr. Satan is only a champ among chumps (regular humans).

[Scarz]

I-is it wrong that I want to draw Old SSJ mustache Goku...?

Spoiler:

If you know what I mean...

[Fionordequester]

I-is it wrong that I want to draw Old SSJ mustache Goku...?

No...But I'm not sure I'd share it with everyone in public ...

[Gyt Kaliba]

Why do I just imagine Vegeta from GT, freshly shaven, looking aghast at women hanging off of Goku with his new stache, when you mention wanting to draw mustache Goku, Scarz.

[Marco Polo]

I think the mustache looks good on Goku because he actually looks old. GT Vegeta on the other hand had a mustache but still looked youthful, so he looked like an 80s male pornstar or something. Not that I'm an expert on 80s pornstar or anything >_>

[Vegitofaxx]

I think the mustache looks good on Goku because he actually looks old. GT Vegeta on the other hand had a mustache but still looked youthful, so he looked like an 80s male pornstar or something. Not that I'm an expert on 80s pornstar or anything >_>

Suree.......

[TheGmGoken]

I think the mustache looks good on Goku because he actually looks old. GT Vegeta on the other hand had a mustache but still looked youthful, so he looked like an 80s male pornstar or something. Not that I'm an expert on 80s pornstar or anything >_>

I had a full grown beard when I was 14-15. But Vegeta looked more like a F.Mercury cosplay than an 80's porn star. I would know. I got curious one day.

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[goku1234]

[coola]

Note to yourself, never be 100% sure what's gonna happen in DBM. Goku might really lose this fight, he follows warrior code very strickly, so even if it's on his head. He still loses, because he agreed to Freeza terms.

[Marco Polo]

Goku is turning into Einstein, he will obviously come up with a solution at the last moment.