Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[TheGmGoken]

For all things power related for the new DBZ movie Return of F!

Basic Questions:
Roshi vs Freeza Minions
How strong is the red demon guy?
How strong is Gohan?
Does the Ring gives Freeza minions more power
Vegeta > Goku?
Freeza power compare to Beerus.

[Dyno]

Muten Roshi battling random soldiers is pathetic. No, he didn't train at all after Dragon Ball. No, he can't deal with them.

And this fact gets even more pathetic when you remember what Toriyama said: "I can't revive Bardock because he is weak". But you surely can make Muten Roshi fight? What the fuck!? Are you telling me Muten Roshi is stronger than Bardock!? Man... Seriously. Just terrible excuse, primitive thought, ridiculous ideia.

[Kamiccolo9]

Thread is pointless until we actually know something about the movie.

[dbzfan7]

Thread is pointless until we actually know something about the movie.

Well call it speculation, it's kinda here so it doesn't flood the other topic. Besides woulda rather it back in the main topic .

[TheGmGoken]

Thread is pointless until we actually know something about the movie.

Then why are you here? Why even make a post? Just let people debate speculation and join in once the movie is out.

I made this thread because of this

For serious. We're not going to ask again: take your battle power arguments elsewhere. You can make a new thread. That's fine. But not here.

[RandomGuy96]

According to the promotional material, Gohan is still stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Chew on that. Also, Giant Red Bull Man is clearly the strongest character we've seen so far.

[dbzfan7]

According to the promotional material, Gohan is still stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Chew on that. Also, Giant Red Bull Man is clearly the strongest character we've seen so far.

The Gohan thing is lazy copy pasting of information....unless they are comparing him to Tarble...what an honor.

Red Bull gives him the ability to kick pickleman ass. He discovered his secret hidden prodigy status. Or Piccolo slapped his wife and a magical hidden potential rage boost broke forth.

[TheGmGoken]

How do Freeza compare?

Freeza has bruises on his body so Goku didn't get stomped. I'm predicting it'll be similar to 100% Freeza vs Goku anime version but with Freeza winning. However Beerus line makes me believe that Goku spared Freeza AGAIN which caused his defeat.

[dbzfan7]

How do Freeza compare?

Freeza has bruises on his body so Goku didn't get stomped. I'm predicting it'll be similar to 100% Freeza vs Goku anime version but with Freeza winning. However Beerus line makes me believe that Goku spared Freeza AGAIN which caused his defeat.

That'd be out of character since Goku already saw the result of sparing him twice. Both times he was attacked, and his homeworld was threatened. Goku can't be that stupid.

[dbgtFO]

For all things power related for the new DBZ movie Return of F!

Basic Questions:
Roshi vs Freeza Minions
How strong is the red demon guy?
How strong is Gohan?
Does the Ring gives Freeza minions more power
Vegeta > Goku?
Freeza power compare to Beerus.

1. Didn't you know Roshi actually is a prodigy and has the most hidden power amongs earthlings?
He obviously trained for a couple of days and boosted his power by over 10 times.

2. The Red Demon Guy is obviously Sorbet and Tagoma merged, so he's their battle power multiplied together, which makes him somewhat stronger than SS Gohan.

3. Gohan is piss weak and hasn't trained for so long, that he's probably even lost the ability to go SS2. He's likely even weaker than he was at the 25th Tournament.

4. The ring is used by Sorbet to merge either himself or his minions together to create that red demon guy. I wouldn't be at all surprised, if after realizing the average Freeza soldier is no match for the Z-fighters, that Sorbet uses his ace in the hole and merges all of his men plus himself into the ultimate being.
That's the only way it'd make sense.

5. Yes.
6.
Beerus: 10.
Freeza: 6
-Golden Freeza: 12.

[Pantalones]

I figure the minions Roshi manages to Kamehameha out of the way are the "can't even use actual ki blasts so they need arm-mounted ki guns" variety, or not far off from that level... in other words, weak swarming-type footsoldiers that are far, far weaker than a low-class Saiyan and could be below 139 in power level (and most definitely below whatever level Roshi's pumped-up Kamehameha might be) without seeming too weak.

The red guy being able to knock Piccolo down so easily is what I'm wondering about. I assume there's more to him than just "hooray, super-strong Freeza soldier out of nowhere!"... some kind of fusion or powering-up would have to be involved.

And I seriously hope that Freeza doesn't get anywhere near Beerus and Whis even in his "Golden" form. They seem to be standing back and watching pretty calmly, chiding someone (Goku?) for being too soft rather than being personally worried at all... and even Golden Freeza seems to get bruised up pretty bad at some point, so I'm guessing Freeza only ends up being a real threat to Goku and Vegeta (presumably still around a 6-7 compared to Beerus' 10), not to either of the actual strongest characters.

[dbzfan7]

For all things power related for the new DBZ movie Return of F!

Basic Questions:
Roshi vs Freeza Minions
How strong is the red demon guy?
How strong is Gohan?
Does the Ring gives Freeza minions more power
Vegeta > Goku?
Freeza power compare to Beerus.

I guess the World Trade Organization hires anyone, and so they are all weaker than 139. That or Muten Roshi will turn into another Movie 6 scenario for him.

Apparently close enough to Piccolo to knock him out. I've already made my theories.

Probably weaker than Jaco and Mr. Satan. Give it time they'll do that since no respect is given to him.

It seems like Sorbet's own version of a P-Shooter. I don't think Sorbet can fight since Tagoma was his body guard. Could be wrong as stronger guys do have weaker body guards. Maybe Sorbet can transform. But if he was already stronger than Freeza, then the WTO would have no problems conquering worlds.

At least equal most likely.

Probably weaker. Toriyama probably respects Beerus too much to have him be weaker than Freeza.

[fadeddreams5]

Probably weaker than Jaco and Mr. Satan. Give it time they'll do that since no respect is given to him.

I think Toriyama got so turned off by the way he wrote that character during the Buu saga that he just screamed "bail," gave into fan pressure, and never looked back. He disappointed himself, I think, and just feels uncomfortable making anything work for that character anymore.

Probably weaker. Toriyama probably respects Beerus too much to have him be weaker than Freeza.

Beerus and Whis will probably never lose. I feel Toriyama specifically wrote them with that in mind.

[dbzfan7]

Probably weaker than Jaco and Mr. Satan. Give it time they'll do that since no respect is given to him.

I think Toriyama got so turned off by the way he wrote that character during the Buu saga that he just screamed "bail," gave into fan pressure, and never looked back. He disappointed himself, I think, and just feels uncomfortable making anything work for that character anymore.

Probably weaker. Toriyama probably respects Beerus too much to have him be weaker than Freeza.

Beerus and Whis will probably never lose. I feel Toriyama specifically wrote them with that in mind.

He didn't seem to enjoy writing for him, so he dropped the idea. Personally I would have just resolved Gohan's story and have him live with his family in peace. Basically have him do what Tenshinhan did and disappear. That way you don't have to write for him, or disrespect his character either.

They could be the benchmark goals he's setting for Goku.

[TheGmGoken]

Wonder if there will be an IN THE THE MOVIE explanation for Gohan being a SSJ.

[fadeddreams5]

Wonder if there will be an IN THE THE MOVIE explanation for Gohan being a SSJ.

There wasn't one in GT. There wasn't one in BoG. There wasn't one in the FoF blog. I doubt there will be one in the movie.

[RandomGuy96]

Bulma: Hey, Bulma here!
Just 43 days left until the premiere!
Today Kame-sennin has stopped by!

Kame-sennin: Hello! Hey all you gals reading this blog, how about letting me fondle your boobs? You know, just for a little bit?

Bulma: Are you kidding me!?

Kame-sennin: Oh, Bulma! You’ve gotten even sexier since I last saw you.

(*rustle, rustle*)

Bulma: Hands off my butt!

（*Bo—ong!*）

Kame-sennin: Owwy-ow-ow…Is that any way to treat a grand sage?!

Bulma: Put a sock in it, you dirty old hermit! Look, just tell them about the upcoming movie!

Kame-sennin: Geez, you never change…scary as an…*ahem*!
Well anyway, seems this time around that Freeza guy has come back to life and is heading for Earth. Of course, you’d think he couldn’t put up much of a fight against Goku or Vegeta, not the way they are now, but apparently he’s achieved some massive power-up. Even worse, he’s bringing 1,000 soldiers with him, so even Goku and the others might have a tough time handling it all on their own…Maybe it’s finally time for me to throw my hat in the ring again!

Bulma: Wha!? Don’t tell me you plan on fighting!?

Kame-sennin: Hey, you better respect your elders. I’m still a long way from retirement! Just check out these moves! Hah! Yah! (*CRACK*)

Bulma: …!!!

Kame-sennin: …Oh, how I miss the days when people called me the “invincible Muten Roshi”…Anyway, still 43 days left. Maybe I should go get some acupuncture in the meantime. Owwy-ow-ow…

Ha, that wacky Roshi. Sexual assault in a children's cartoon is so funny! Also, lol @ the bolded. One, those troops aren't a threat considering how Raditz was considered top-class among them (except for Giant Red Bull Man, who is only rivaled by Lord Appule and Mr. Satan). The strongest guy around, their leader's personal guard, is weaker than friggin' Zarbon, and characters much, much weaker than even Krillin have taken down groups of people much stronger than Zarbon with contemptuous ease. Two, even if they were a threat, what would he do about it, if they could even remotely threaten Mr. Buu, Gohan, Piccolo, or even Krillin?

Yeah, I know we probably shouldn't be expecting logic from the blog posts, but whatever.

[DBZAOTA482]

Guess Roshi also noticed Bulma looking younger.

[Birusu16]

Considering the amount of bruises Freeza's got would suggest he didn't in anyway have an easy time with Goku, so I doubt he's near or above Beerus let alone Whis. As for the other topics, none of them can really be answered considering we don't have a lot of information on the movie at the moment.

[FoolsGil]

Muten Roshi battling random soldiers is pathetic. No, he didn't train at all after Dragon Ball. No, he can't deal with them.

And this fact gets even more pathetic when you remember what Toriyama said: "I can't revive Bardock because he is weak". But you surely can make Muten Roshi fight? What the fuck!? Are you telling me Muten Roshi is stronger than Bardock!? Man... Seriously. Just terrible excuse, primitive thought, ridiculous ideia.

Just because we haven't seen Master Roshi train, doesn't mean he didn't or doesn't. For all we know over the past 10+ years he has been doing his own thing, could very well be in the thousands range, and if his opponents are in the hundreds range, well checkmate.