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FoolsGil
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by FoolsGil » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:06 am
Skar wrote:
I wonder how DBM would've turned out if they included all the new canon material?
3: Hanasia is replaced by Gine.
4: Zen Buu absorbs Beerus or gets killed by him
6: Beerus kills Bojack or he lets him live like he did with Freeza
7: Gast becomes a Namek God if that's ever revealed
8: Golden Freeza, King Cold, and Cooler
11: Beerus kills Fat Buu
13: Tarble gets killed by Prince Vegeta for being too weak or becomes a SSJ and challenges them
16: SSJ God Vegetto (SSJ Goddess Bra
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17: He has Saiyan and Frost Demon DNA so maybe SSJ God/Golden Freeza hybrid Cell
18: SSJ God Goku, Vegeta
20: LSSJ Devil God Broly
I would think for the most part things would be the same.
-Hanasia could be removed from the current story and the specials would still be more or less the same. Inputting Gine should be no problem
-The universes where evil won, and is participating in the tournament, Beerus would have just hit the snooze button when he should have awoke. Universes where Beerus woke up with the villains around, there would be no high power levels for the Vargas to ask to join the tournament.
-U4 Buu vs Beerus, Beerus just wouldn't be absorbed. Or if he was absorbed Buu wouldn't get access to anything Beerus has and Whis would kill Buu.
-I would like to think that U13 Vegeta wouldn't kill Tarble, no matter what. He would kill Gure though.
-Beerus would kill Vegetto for being an abomination. And they(Vegetto and Bra) aren't pure good, so no SSJ God or Goddess, but he hit the snooze button in U16
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by coola » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:00 pm
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by Marco Polo » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:07 pm
Distracting him from the outside while Goku fights on the inside... Interesting. I wish the original manga got creative like this instead of all the 1 vs 1 battles.
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by Dbzfan94 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:20 pm
I actually really like this special. Probably one of the best. The art is incredible too
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by TheGmGoken » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:21 pm
Dbzfan94 wrote:I actually really like this special. Probably one of the best. The art is incredible too
It's only been 2 pages
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:54 pm
...Goku's going to actually be fighting for more than three seconds, isn't he?
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Fionordequester » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:16 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:...Goku's going to actually be fighting for more than three seconds, isn't he?
But of course! How many DBZ fights do you know of that actually last less than a minute (besides Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell)?
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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by RandomGuy96 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:29 pm
Fionordequester wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:...Goku's going to actually be fighting for more than three seconds, isn't he?
But of course! How many DBZ fights do you know of that actually last less than a minute (besides Piccolo vs. Imperfect Cell)?
Trunks vs Cold
Vegeta vs Cui
Krillin vs Saibamen
Raditz vs Krillin
Gohan vs Cell Junior
Et cetera.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by Fionordequester » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:20 pm
RandomGuy96 wrote:
Trunks vs Cold
Vegeta vs Cui
Krillin vs Saibamen
Raditz vs Krillin
Gohan vs Cell Junior
Et cetera.
Ah, so basically, only the unimportant, inconsequential fights were ever short. Every fight that was actually supposed to be climactic lasted longer than that, and I think this fight is supposed to fall into that category (even if we do already know who wins).
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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by ParkerAL » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:33 pm
Pretty much. Fights can last as long as they need to in order to fill their role in the narrative. Their length doesn't need to be mathematically dictated based on power rankings.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:39 pm
I hope Boo will at least suppress his power to have an actual fight with Goku... otherwise, this fight will be as realistic as SS4 Gogeta having an actual fight with Mr. Satan.
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by Skar » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:36 pm
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I hope Boo will at least suppress his power to have an actual fight with Goku... otherwise, this fight will be as realistic as SS4 Gogeta having an actual fight with Mr. Satan.
Come on it isn't that much of a difference
. Buugeta is maybe 2-5x stronger than SSJ3 Goku? SSJ4 Gogeta is like 100 trillion times stronger than Mr. Satan. Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan might be a more fair comparison. The special is only drawn out for filler so that's probably the only reason Goku wasn't absorbed immediately after Vegeta was.
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by Fionordequester » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:59 pm
Skar wrote:Come on it isn't that much of a difference
. Buugeta is maybe 2-5x stronger than SSJ3 Goku? SSJ4 Gogeta is like 100 trillion times stronger than Mr. Satan. Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan might be a more fair comparison. The special is only drawn out for filler so that's probably the only reason Goku wasn't absorbed immediately after Vegeta was.
Actually, that's one thing I'm curious about. Just how much stronger IS Buugeta than regular Super Buu? I mean, it's only Vegeta this time, and not Gotenks + Piccolo. And Vegeta himself isn't as strong as Gotenks, so between that and Buu not having the additional power and brains of Piccolo, I do wonder just how much of an increase he got.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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by Skar » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:31 pm
Fionordequester wrote:Actually, that's one thing I'm curious about. Just how much stronger IS Buugeta than regular Super Buu? I mean, it's only Vegeta this time, and not Gotenks + Piccolo. And Vegeta himself isn't as strong as Gotenks, so between that and Buu not having the additional power and brains of Piccolo, I do wonder just how much of an increase he got.
SSJ3 Gotenks was around Super Buu's strength so I guess Buutenks would be about 2x Super Buu. I'm pretty sure SSJ2 Vegeta was weaker than SSJ1 Gotenks which means that Super Buu adding Vegeta's power would only give like a 10% boost or less. Goku did say him and Vegeta stood no chance against base Super Buu so I think the only way Goku will last more than a few pages here is if Buugeta decides to hold back to mess with him. I'm not sure how much stronger Super Buu is compared to Goku though. It would have to be somewhere between SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan who we also aren't sure about.
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by RandomGuy96 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:28 am
Fionordequester wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:
Trunks vs Cold
Vegeta vs Cui
Krillin vs Saibamen
Raditz vs Krillin
Gohan vs Cell Junior
Et cetera.
Ah, so basically, only the unimportant, inconsequential fights were ever short. Every fight that was actually supposed to be climactic lasted longer than that, and I think this fight is supposed to fall into that category (even if we do already know who wins).
This isn't supposed to be climactic. Buu is ridiculously stronger than Goku, even without Vegeta or anyone else absorbed. It should just be a mop-up.
Fionordequester wrote:Skar wrote:Come on it isn't that much of a difference
. Buugeta is maybe 2-5x stronger than SSJ3 Goku? SSJ4 Gogeta is like 100 trillion times stronger than Mr. Satan. Buutenks vs Ultimate Gohan might be a more fair comparison. The special is only drawn out for filler so that's probably the only reason Goku wasn't absorbed immediately after Vegeta was.
Actually, that's one thing I'm curious about. Just how much stronger IS Buugeta than regular Super Buu? I mean, it's only Vegeta this time, and not Gotenks + Piccolo. And Vegeta himself isn't as strong as Gotenks, so between that and Buu not having the additional power and brains of Piccolo, I do wonder just how much of an increase he got.
He got slightly stronger. We know SS3 Goku is absolutely no match for regular Super Buu, and that SS2 Vegeta is only 1/4 of SS3 Goku's strength.
The Monkey King wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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by rereboy » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:16 am
Well, the Buu that is in front of Goku isn't actually Buu. He is just a tiny portion of Buu's body that Buu gave shape to interact with the miniaturized Goku inside of his body.
I guess we don't really know if this tiny Buu is, proportionately, as strong as Buugeta is, and if the difference between Goku and Buugeta would correspond exactly to the difference between miniaturized Goku and this tiny Buu.
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by Dbzfan94 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:18 am
TheGmGoken wrote:Dbzfan94 wrote:I actually really like this special. Probably one of the best. The art is incredible too
It's only been 2 pages
I guess I just really like the concept compared to the others
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by coola » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:10 pm
Pretty good so far, from what i understand, Super Buu is on par with Fat But (with evil essence) non-SSJ Vegeta sholdnt make Super Buu that much stronger.
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by rereboy » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:31 pm
coola wrote:
Pretty good so far, from what i understand, Super Buu is on par with Fat But (with evil essence) non-SSJ Vegeta sholdnt make Super Buu that much stronger.
Its stated directly in the manga that Super Buu is much stronger than Fat Buu (with evil essence).
Also, Goku expected Gotenks to be able to beat Fat Buu but he never expected Gotenks to reach SSJ3. Which puts SSJ3 Gotenks at a much higher level than Fat Buu. And yet he was only slightly stronger than Super Buu.
Goku really shouldn't be able to hold his own against Super Buu or Buugeta.
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by FoolsGil » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:32 pm
Goku should be running. He's fighting in Buu's head, and he has a finite amount of energy that he's blowing through as a SSJ3. There's other pods, other things he should do and try, instead of failing everyone. You know, again.
