Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[coola]

[Vegitofaxx]

Yeaaaa....
We now have 3 pages at most for his "rebirth"

[BlazingBarrrager]

Now imagine that blast when he's normal size. Forget the Earth, the entire Solar System would be turned to dust. XD

Called it bitches! Now for my next prediction, I see either Mr. Satan or Kaioshin performing a Dynamic Entry on Buu and failing miserably.

[Marco Polo]

This blast could have been safe to use if for example Goku used it on Buu in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, or if he teleported him to the other world (like when Cell blew himself up). Of course, Goku's now far too exhausted to try again.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku run away with Instant Movement ! Go to King Kai!

[FoolsGil]

Goku snap your own neck! Do it now!

[Hellspawn28]

So SSj3 Goku is powerful enough to kill Buuegta now? Buu mention that his attack would have been strong enough to kill if he did outside his body.

[BlazingBarrrager]

So SSj3 Goku is powerful enough to kill Buuegta now? Buu mention that his attack would have been strong enough to kill if he did outside his body.

Wouldn't be much point to that since he would have taken the entire Solar System with him in that blast.

[Drayenko]

I never shared this view.

Personally, I think that being smaller doesn't make you weaker, opposite of what's presented here. A lot of people seem to think that it does, but I never saw it that way, still don't.

If you tell me that when Vegetto was inside Buu's body he wouldn't have been able to kill him, that's nonsense.

[RandomGuy96]

"If you used that attack outside my body, I might have been obliterated...!"

Oh bullshit.

[Lord Beerus]

"If you used that attack outside my body, I might have been obliterated...!"

Oh bullshit.

I know. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to make. That like saying you could cause more damage to a house if you set off the TNT outside the door rather than inside the house.

[Duo]

This is actually somewhat fascinating of a claim for the writers to make as being possible. I don't have an issue with the idea that smaller body = smaller explosion, but I also assumed that would make the smaller explosion insanely powerful within its radius.

As for being able to obliterate Buu (note that Buu said MIGHT), I mean...it's a little far fetched, I guess, but we've seen weaker characters get Buu pretty close to death before in his various forms. Gotenks turned him to dust in the Room of Spirit and Time as a Super Saiyan, Vegeta may have almost killed the fat one. Probably the only silly thing about it was the claim that Goku could have taken out the entire Solar System, but Cell made such a claim about himself previously, so it's probably based on that.

Nothing there was too egregiously offensive. Slightly silly at worst.

[jcogginsa]

"If you used that attack outside my body, I might have been obliterated...!"

Oh bullshit.

I know. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to make. That like saying you could cause more damage to a house if you set off the TNT outside the door rather than inside the house.

There are some situations where that's the case, though i think it only happens under water

[mAcChaos]

This is actually somewhat fascinating of a claim for the writers to make as being possible. I don't have an issue with the idea that smaller body = smaller explosion, but I also assumed that would make the smaller explosion insanely powerful within its radius.

As for being able to obliterate Buu (note that Buu said MIGHT), I mean...it's a little far fetched, I guess, but we've seen weaker characters get Buu pretty close to death before in his various forms. Gotenks turned him to dust in the Room of Spirit and Time as a Super Saiyan, Vegeta may have almost killed the fat one. Probably the only silly thing about it was the claim that Goku could have taken out the entire Solar System, but Cell made such a claim about himself previously, so it's probably based on that.

Nothing there was too egregiously offensive. Slightly silly at worst.

Cell said he could blow up the Solar System. SSJ3 Goku is immeasurably more powerful than Cell. It makes perfect sense.

[Fionordequester]

"If you used that attack outside my body, I might have been obliterated...!"

Oh bullshit.

Actually, it makes perfect sense here. Because in this scenario, the TNT on the inside was not even a fraction as large as the TNT would have been on the outside. I mean, evidently, the blast depicted here was JUST short enough that it wasn't able to eviscerate Buu completely. But, had Goku done that same blast outside of Buu's body, and had taken out the entire system, well, there's no way ANY fragment of Buu would have been able to survive the light years upon light years of distance it would have spent getting burned.

[Drayenko]

No. It makes no sense, as ki is not dependable of your size. Vegetto and Piccolo showed us this.

[RandomGuy96]

"If you used that attack outside my body, I might have been obliterated...!"

Oh bullshit.

Actually, it makes perfect sense here. Because in this scenario, the TNT on the inside was not even a fraction as large as the TNT would have been on the outside. I mean, evidently, the blast depicted here was JUST short enough that it wasn't able to eviscerate Buu completely. But, had Goku done that same blast outside of Buu's body, and had taken out the entire system, well, there's no way ANY fragment of Buu would have been able to survive the light years upon light years of distance it would have spent getting burned.

That's not the bullshit part (well, it is part of it). The bullshit part is Goku being strong enough to do this at all. As presented, this slightly upgraded Super Buu can basically be defeated by SS3 Goku if given... ten seconds of charging? Base Super Buu caused Goku to piss himself in fear.

Goku's size is another part of the bullshit. He blasted Buu from inside earlier and it just barely tickled him. That was as a SS, but there's not THAT huge of a difference between SS and SS3. There's no way this attack should be powerful enough to blow Super Buu to smithereens. I mean, that makes the attack ridiculously powerful, if it could provide such a gigantic boost in power with just ten seconds of charging. It basically implies that Goku could have instantly defeated Pure Buu at any time (normal sized, no charging needed) and even Super Buu. Which is soooo wrong.

[Pantalones]

Eh... I don't mind Goku being able to charge up a big enough blast to blow Buu apart a la Vegeta's self-destruct against Fat Buu, or what Gotenks managed. This was clearly something more significant than just a random blast at the wall in an attempt to make an escape hole -- and the reason why Goku's attempt to blast a hole failed shouldn't be just because of his size, but the combination of his and Buu's size (meaning his blasts have to get through a lot of Buu, proportionally to Goku's size, rather than a Buu that's relatively similar to Goku in size) and the fact that Buu's way stronger than him to begin with. If Buu was only as strong as Nappa or something, then even a tiny base Goku would've been able to blast through him like tissue paper regardless of his size -- but regular Super Saiyan Goku can't put a hole through Buu with a blast, at least if Buu's actively trying to resist rather than just messing around and letting weak attacks affect him only to regenerate a split-second later (see: bullets passing right through him)... the only "quick" attack that would really be able to penetrate through Buu when Goku's that small would be a Kienzan, and a Kienzan that small wouldn't cut a big enough space for anyone to escape through so it'd be kinda useless to Goku inside Buu. And if Buu's trying to keep them trapped inside his body, then he's not going to just let their regular blasts pass through him. This attack was just so big that it knocked Buu apart, though (like most attacks that only manage that much) it doesn't seem to have been nearly enough to cause any permanent damage, or even slow Buu down for more than the couple moments it took him to regenerate. And Buu was caught off guard here, since he'd been focusing on getting Kibito-Kaioshin out of the way, so his body probably wasn't as resistant at that moment as it was during Goku's previous attempt to blast a way out. Even this blast might not have done so much damage if Buu had been fully focused on Goku at the time.

The only things that seem really "off" are the speed he was able to charge it ("SSj3 Goku charging his full power into a blast" is the method he was going to use for Kid Buu, and it definitely was taking him longer than this then...) and the thought that the blast would've actually been enough to kill Buu if it had been full-sized. Just because the blast would've been enormous in size doesn't mean it would be powerful enough to permanently destroy every last bit of Buu the way you have to in order to keep him dead... Buu's regeneration is better than Cell's, he can come back even if you freaking evaporate him, so long as there's even the tiniest particle of something resembling Buu. It'd just take longer for him to regenerate from the full-size version because a solar-system-wiping blast would've strewn the tiniest specks of Buu-stuff a lot further out compared to this one.

Of course, Buu could always be exaggerating a little here just to mess with Goku, considering that he's reverted to base form and is basically helpless at this point. "Congratulations Goku, you actually impressed me! But I'm still going to absorb you, y'know, and there's nothing you can do about it now."

[Fionordequester]

No. It makes no sense, as ki is not dependable of your size. Vegetto and Piccolo showed us this.

No, see, it's not that the ki itself would be stronger. It's that Buugeta would have to endure being trapped in that ki for much longer than what he endured now. So instead of being trapped in it for the distance shown here, he would be trapped in it until he was all the way to wherever the end of the solar system is. Kind of like the difference between a tidal wave carrying me 200 miles instead of 2 miles, you know what I mean? The tidal wave isn't any stronger, but I'm trapped in it for much longer.

That's not the bullshit part (well, it is part of it). The bullshit part is Goku being strong enough to do this at all. As presented, this slightly upgraded Super Buu can basically be defeated by SS3 Goku if given... ten seconds of charging? Base Super Buu caused Goku to piss himself in fear.

Goku's size is another part of the bullshit. He blasted Buu from inside earlier and it just barely tickled him. That was as a SS, but there's not THAT huge of a difference between SS and SS3. There's no way this attack should be powerful enough to blow Super Buu to smithereens. I mean, that makes the attack ridiculously powerful, if it could provide such a gigantic boost in power with nust ten seconds of charging. It basically implies that Goku could have instantly defeated Pure Buu at any time (normal sized, no charging needed) and even Super Buu. Which is soooo wrong.

On the other hand though, even in the manga, SSJ2 Vegeta almost succeeded in killing Fat Buu, even though Fats was many times stronger than him. And he used the same basic kind of attack.

[rereboy]

On the other hand though, even in the manga, SSJ2 Vegeta almost succeeded in killing Fat Buu, even though Fats was many times stronger than him. And he used the same basic kind of attack.

Not really. Fat Buu's body just broke into little pieces, and lots of them. At the time, it felt like it was a serious blow to Buu, but considering what we later know of him, and that not even smoke can remain of him for him to be killed, I wouldn't consider Fat Buu to be close to dying agaisnt Vegeta.