Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[goku the krump dancer]

Well Fat Boo did admit that Vegeta's "Atomic Blast" finger beam did hurt. Though he also added "a tiny bit". And that was just a blast through the chest. Even though he survived Vegeta's self destruction, I think it's pretty safe to say going by his reaction on impact that he was in a pretty big deal of pain. And of course we all know Fat Boo is stronger than Majin Vegeta duh.

So seeing as though SS3 Goku is stronger than both Majin Vegeta and Fat Boo, I think a "final explosion" from him would have a similar effect on Super Boo and even a slightly upgraded one. Especially with more or less nothing held back.

[Marco Polo]

Buugeta could easily be lying. Villains do that all the time in the series. They act surprised, seemingly get hurt, make the opponent think he actually has his chances, and then the cloud of dust dissipates and they're like "LOL not even scratched" or "Joke's on you I wasn't fighting at 100%" or "This isn't even my final form".

[fexus]

When will Golden Freeza show up and beat Vegeto?

[rereboy]

When will Golden Freeza show up and beat Vegeto?

I don't think the authors will use anything that appeared after this fan manga began.

[fexus]

When will Golden Freeza show up and beat Vegeto?

I don't think the authors will use anything that appeared after this fan manga began.

Aww, that's no fun. Just when I think the Vegeto power wanking would stop.

[rereboy]

When will Golden Freeza show up and beat Vegeto?

I don't think the authors will use anything that appeared after this fan manga began.

Aww, that's no fun. Just when I think the Vegeto power wanking would stop.

Well, he is Vegetto. His power in this fan manga seems perfectly logical. Golden Freeza's power seems much more illogical.

[fexus]

Aww, that's no fun. Just when I think the Vegeto power wanking would stop.

Well, he is Vegetto. His power in this fan manga seems perfectly logical. Golden Freeza's power seems much more illogical.

That is your opinion and I respect that but I wholeheartedly disagree.

[rereboy]

Aww, that's no fun. Just when I think the Vegeto power wanking would stop.

Well, he is Vegetto. His power in this fan manga seems perfectly logical. Golden Freeza's power seems much more illogical.

That is your opinion and I respect that but I wholeheartedly disagree.

With what part?

[Duo]

With what part?

This catches my attention too. Is the claim that Vegetto being ultra-powerful is illogical? That would certainly be an odd claim.

Besides, there's all kinds of "power wanking" going on with various characters. Gast? Buu? XXI? Clearly the authors are focusing on Vegetto's power because it's going to be relevant later in some sort of major conflict.

[fexus]

With what part?

The part where Golden Freeza power is more illogical. I'm going to stop this here. Going any further will just result in a bad situation again, and I'm really not too fond of that.

[rereboy]

With what part?

The part where Golden Freeza power is more illogical. I'm going to stop this here. Going any further will just result in a bad situation again, and I'm really not too fond of that.

You can have whatever opinion you want but considering that Vegetto is the strongest character in the manga, considering that Vegetto apparently only used SSJ1 against Gohan-Buu and still ridiculed him in every way, considering that we didn't even begin to see what Vegetto was capable of in the manga, and considering that this fan-manga is 20 years after the Buu saga, which means that Vegetto should be even stronger, I don't see what Vegetto did so far in this fan-manga that we shouldn't logically assume he would be capable of.

Freeza's power-up in the latest movie however, considering how massive it was, is not a natural assumption. Before the new movie, hardly anyone would believe that Freeza would be capable of reaching such power with just 4 months of training, in universe, so, imo, it's clearly less logical. You don't have to agree but to me it seems obvious.

[Duo]

I will say that the general opinion of the fandom seems to be that Vegetto being superior to everything generally makes sense. On the other hand, the situation with Freeza in the new film (let's still try to tag spoilers outside of the main thread, gents...) turned the collective fanbases head in a way that hasn't really ever been seen before.

[mAcChaos]

The only things that seem really "off" are the speed he was able to charge it ("SSj3 Goku charging his full power into a blast" is the method he was going to use for Kid Buu, and it definitely was taking him longer than this then...) and the thought that the blast would've actually been enough to kill Buu if it had been full-sized. Just because the blast would've been enormous in size doesn't mean it would be powerful enough to permanently destroy every last bit of Buu the way you have to in order to keep him dead... Buu's regeneration is better than Cell's, he can come back even if you freaking evaporate him, so long as there's even the tiniest particle of something resembling Buu. It'd just take longer for him to regenerate from the full-size version because a solar-system-wiping blast would've strewn the tiniest specks of Buu-stuff a lot further out compared to this one.

By that point in the manga, Goku had been fighting Kid Buu for a while. Right now he is more fresh.

[xJeffx]

I was reading Dragon Ball Multiverse: The Novelization and noticed this.

Spoiler:

"I could go Super Saiyan three, I guess," replied Goku, "But the last time I did that the fight ended way too quickly. It wasn't interesting or fun at all. Besides, after all of this time shouldn't you have become a Super Saiyan three as well?"

Vegeta, whose clothes were torn from the battle, folded his arms across his chest. "Level three is useless. I intend to do much better. But if you hold back, I won't be able to."

"What could be better than having long hair and no eyebrows?" Goku asked humorously.

"It uses up too much energy." Said Vegeta. "It's powerful but far too limited. We must find a better solution."

"But to surpass level three wouldn't you have to master it first?" asked Goku skeptically.

"Perhaps." Said Vegeta. "But there happens to be a person in this very room who is stronger than level three... And even without a single transformation."

A pause then occured, and the two Saiyans turned to Gohan. Uub and Pan, who were on either side of Gohan, began to look at him as well. This made Gohan a little uncomfortable, and he suddenly began to feel heavy.

Does this mean U18 Vegeta ignored ssj3 to find something else?

[rereboy]

I was reading Dragon Ball Multiverse: The Novelization and noticed this.

Spoiler:

"I could go Super Saiyan three, I guess," replied Goku, "But the last time I did that the fight ended way too quickly. It wasn't interesting or fun at all. Besides, after all of this time shouldn't you have become a Super Saiyan three as well?"

Vegeta, whose clothes were torn from the battle, folded his arms across his chest. "Level three is useless. I intend to do much better. But if you hold back, I won't be able to."

"What could be better than having long hair and no eyebrows?" Goku asked humorously.

"It uses up too much energy." Said Vegeta. "It's powerful but far too limited. We must find a better solution."

"But to surpass level three wouldn't you have to master it first?" asked Goku skeptically.

"Perhaps." Said Vegeta. "But there happens to be a person in this very room who is stronger than level three... And even without a single transformation."

A pause then occured, and the two Saiyans turned to Gohan. Uub and Pan, who were on either side of Gohan, began to look at him as well. This made Gohan a little uncomfortable, and he suddenly began to feel heavy.

Does this mean U18 Vegeta ignored ssj3 to find something else?

Yes, something like that is implied.

[BlazingBarrrager]

I was reading Dragon Ball Multiverse: The Novelization and noticed this.

Spoiler:

"I could go Super Saiyan three, I guess," replied Goku, "But the last time I did that the fight ended way too quickly. It wasn't interesting or fun at all. Besides, after all of this time shouldn't you have become a Super Saiyan three as well?"

Vegeta, whose clothes were torn from the battle, folded his arms across his chest. "Level three is useless. I intend to do much better. But if you hold back, I won't be able to."

"What could be better than having long hair and no eyebrows?" Goku asked humorously.

"It uses up too much energy." Said Vegeta. "It's powerful but far too limited. We must find a better solution."

"But to surpass level three wouldn't you have to master it first?" asked Goku skeptically.

"Perhaps." Said Vegeta. "But there happens to be a person in this very room who is stronger than level three... And even without a single transformation."

A pause then occured, and the two Saiyans turned to Gohan. Uub and Pan, who were on either side of Gohan, began to look at him as well. This made Gohan a little uncomfortable, and he suddenly began to feel heavy.

Does this mean U18 Vegeta ignored ssj3 to find something else?

Yes, something like that is implied.

This somewhat annoys me because the author nerfed SSJ3 too much like he hated the form.

[Duo]

How so? Ssj3 has been all over the place in Multiverse.

[RandomGuy96]

With what part?

This catches my attention too. Is the claim that Vegetto being ultra-powerful is illogical? That would certainly be an odd claim.

Besides, there's all kinds of "power wanking" going on with various characters. Gast? Buu? XXI? Clearly the authors are focusing on Vegetto's power because it's going to be relevant later in some sort of major conflict.

What are you talking about? Buu has just been shown as far weaker than he logically should be in every fight that involves him. No "power wanking" there.

The only things that seem really "off" are the speed he was able to charge it ("SSj3 Goku charging his full power into a blast" is the method he was going to use for Kid Buu, and it definitely was taking him longer than this then...) and the thought that the blast would've actually been enough to kill Buu if it had been full-sized. Just because the blast would've been enormous in size doesn't mean it would be powerful enough to permanently destroy every last bit of Buu the way you have to in order to keep him dead... Buu's regeneration is better than Cell's, he can come back even if you freaking evaporate him, so long as there's even the tiniest particle of something resembling Buu. It'd just take longer for him to regenerate from the full-size version because a solar-system-wiping blast would've strewn the tiniest specks of Buu-stuff a lot further out compared to this one.

By that point in the manga, Goku had been fighting Kid Buu for a while. Right now he is more fresh.

Fresh? He had just been fighting Super Buu, who is much more powerful than Pure Buu.

[Duo]

Name an instance within the story in which 'Zen' Buu clearly uses his full power.

[Saiga]

How so? Ssj3 has been all over the place in Multiverse.

It has been all over the place, but every time it's been given some attention (ie, not Goku using it briefly) the point has been made about how much it sucks. Even Vegetto who won his fight with Super Saiyan 3, was then said that he couldn't maintain it very long and completely wiped out.

Salagir's definitely not being subtle about it being an inefficient form. I think he's being a bit too heavy handed about it and undervaluing how important it was in the original series.