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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Vegitofaxx » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:06 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Well, he should have enough energy to snap his own neck.
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Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:06 pm

Vegitofaxx wrote:So...anyone have some predictions?
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:09 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:But since when does Instant Transmission waste any kind of ki?
Since when it doesn't? It's a technique, every technique uses ki. We know for example that Kibito's version (Kai Kai) uses ki, since Kibitoshin couldn't teleport after giving all of his genki.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:38 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:But since when does Instant Transmission waste any kind of ki?
Since when it doesn't? It's a technique, every technique uses ki. We know for example that Kibito's version (Kai Kai) uses ki, since Kibitoshin couldn't teleport after giving all of his genki.
But remember when Goku was getting his ass handed to him by the Cell Jr. and he couldn't fight back because he was tired and very low on ki after his fight Cell? And he still was able to use the Instant Transmission and travel all the all to King Kai's planet. So obviously ki expenditure isn't a factor in using the Instant Transmission technique.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:47 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:But since when does Instant Transmission waste any kind of ki?
Since when it doesn't? It's a technique, every technique uses ki. We know for example that Kibito's version (Kai Kai) uses ki, since Kibitoshin couldn't teleport after giving all of his genki.
But remember when Goku was getting his ass handed to him by the Cell Jr. and he couldn't fight back because he was tired and very low on ki after his fight Cell? And he still was able to use the Instant Transmission and travel all the all to King Kai's planet. So obviously ki expenditure isn't a factor in using the Instant Transmission technique.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

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Lord Beerus wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:But since when does Instant Transmission waste any kind of ki?
Since when it doesn't? It's a technique, every technique uses ki. We know for example that Kibito's version (Kai Kai) uses ki, since Kibitoshin couldn't teleport after giving all of his genki.
But remember when Goku was getting his ass handed to him by the Cell Jr. and he couldn't fight back because he was tired and very low on ki after his fight Cell? And he still was able to use the Instant Transmission and travel all the all to King Kai's planet. So obviously ki expenditure isn't a factor in using the Instant Transmission technique.
Not being strong enough to fight someone as strong as Cell arc SSJ Trunks is not the same as not having Ki.

Following that logic you could said that Yamcha also had no Ki, since he couldn't fight off his Cell Jr.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Duo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:42 pm

This chapter has been a lot more enjoyable to me than the other "heroes dying/losing" stories (Bojack and Cell in particular), but it's still hard to watch this part. The art in today's page in particular is really memorable in a dark way.

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Post by FlpShimizu » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:28 pm

In these instances we see that even though Toriyama drew some very sad and violent stuff back in the day, he never presented us with a powerless and defeated Goku like we have here. That is kinda "too sad" for Toriyama-sama.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:53 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:Everyone ate senzus after Gohan killed the cell jrs.
Oh, yeah. Crap. How could I forget that? :oops:

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:18 pm

Went over to the DBM page to read the comments, here's something interesting:
my only problem is the misrepresentation of Buu's power thus far. Canonically, the way his power works his is apex is when he's in the kid buu form. this is because the absorption technique is a survival instinct, not an attack. When someone is assimilated into buu, its because he had no other options and that was the only way he could win the fight. Its a last ditch effort because when he does so it weakens him, not makes him stronger. at best, by absorbing all the beings in the universe, buu would then be able to maybe meet his kid buu power, which goku was able to hold his own against, so he should have fared a bit better against the weaker vegeta-buu.
So yeah that's right, absorption is a defense mechanism. Maybe he's gotten so smart, he realizes the value of forcibly eating people instead of killing them and that being the end.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Duo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:42 pm

I might be mis-reading that post. Are they trying to state the Buu always gets weaker with absorptions? Or that 'super' Buu is weaker than 'kid' Buu?

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:50 pm

Bull shit because Gotenks Boo > Gohan yet He absorbed Gohan. Is that post trying to impy Gotenks Boo > Mystic Boo?

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:29 pm

The only thing I wanted to bring up was the part I bolded. I stay out of the Super Buu/Kid Buu talks.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:30 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Went over to the DBM page to read the comments, here's something interesting:
my only problem is the misrepresentation of Buu's power thus far. Canonically, the way his power works his is apex is when he's in the kid buu form. this is because the absorption technique is a survival instinct, not an attack. When someone is assimilated into buu, its because he had no other options and that was the only way he could win the fight. Its a last ditch effort because when he does so it weakens him, not makes him stronger. at best, by absorbing all the beings in the universe, buu would then be able to maybe meet his kid buu power, which goku was able to hold his own against, so he should have fared a bit better against the weaker vegeta-buu.
So yeah that's right, absorption is a defense mechanism. Maybe he's gotten so smart, he realizes the value of forcibly eating people instead of killing them and that being the end.
I don't agree with any of that statement. It's made quite clear in the manga that whenever Majin Boo absorbs somebody, it results in an increase of his power.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:01 am

FoolsGil wrote:Went over to the DBM page to read the comments, here's something interesting:
my only problem is the misrepresentation of Buu's power thus far. Canonically, the way his power works his is apex is when he's in the kid buu form. this is because the absorption technique is a survival instinct, not an attack. When someone is assimilated into buu, its because he had no other options and that was the only way he could win the fight. Its a last ditch effort because when he does so it weakens him, not makes him stronger. at best, by absorbing all the beings in the universe, buu would then be able to maybe meet his kid buu power, which goku was able to hold his own against, so he should have fared a bit better against the weaker vegeta-buu.
So yeah that's right, absorption is a defense mechanism. Maybe he's gotten so smart, he realizes the value of forcibly eating people instead of killing them and that being the end.
Super Buu uses his absorption rationally and conscientiously in the original manga. He even formulates a plan regarding who he should absorb and how best to do it, which is why he chooses to absorb Piccolo and Gotenks after tricking everybody. If he used it simply as a defense mechanism, Super Buu would just use it instinctively agaisnt Gohan to absorb Gohan instead of what he decided to do. So I strongly disagree with his absorption being just an defense mechanism based on instinct.

Kid Buu might use it instinctively but he does everything on instinct because that's his nature.

Also, his comments about "Kid Buu power" hold no ground and he assumes that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu with Vegeta absorbed based on the common misconception that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu somehow...

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Super SaiyaJon » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:44 am

Goku should've have self destructed with that attack. The small amount of extra energy to kill himself might not be enough to kill Buu, but he'd at least get his dead body back. Then he could either train a bunch while Buu rampages or fight him in a dead body, which is better for ssj3 anyway.

This has been a really cool special. Easily in my top three favorites.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:19 pm

I hope the special ends right here. I guess Buu could absorb everyone in Other World or uses the Dragon Balls to wish back everyone just to absorb them but I don't think Buu has everyone left he can absorb.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Vegitofaxx » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:21 pm

i really hope the next special will be:

Majin Buu and the search for musical talent!
I wanna see the saloon from Star Wars :lol:
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:07 pm

Vegitofaxx wrote:So...anyone have some predictions?

Even though I already know what happens next...(sorry guys(Btw, props for zooming in on this, you have my respect))
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Anyway, not dark enough. Buu needs to slowly torture Goku to near death while mocking him for being unable to save his family and his people. Then he should heal him, watch Goku futilely power up to SS3, and do it again. He should note that, going by the power he just showed, Goku should have been able to kill Buu while he was still fat. Then he should mock him for this and note that his sons being stuck in a fate worse than death forever is Goku's fault. Only then can he absorb this moron.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:12 pm

Really dragged out, but this is definitely one of the better drawn specials, so it wasn't a total loss.

After this, the final villain divergence win story is U11.(Babidi) Really dreading that one. The Future Majin Attack was terrible, but if Mirai Gohan survived that, What the hell happened in U11? Just how stupid were everyone in U11 that though they had better odds, they still lost?

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