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fadeddreams5 wrote:Also, no lame ass blue SSJs. I can't imagine anyone finding these forms cooler than the original SSJ transformation.
Well, they're not... But what we can do about it? I'm just trying to get used to
I don't like SSJGSSJ like SSJ, but at least Toriyama fixed SSJ powerup dilemma.
Zombie wrote:Just saw it. The only thing that felt edited was Goku's Kamehameha. We never see him starting it.
And when Goku starts to fight Freeza you see Sorbet then a big explosion without seen Goku and Freeza charging to each other.
Maybe we get more scenes in the DVD release
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What do you guys think there should be more of in the (potential) extended edition?
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Birusu16 wrote:We've got more and better quality shots of SSGSS Vegeta!
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Not sure if its me or if its the angle, but Vegeta's hairline looks like its receding in the first image.
Yeah, I notice that too. Still, I can't believe how much I'm digging SSGSS on these guys.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Alright, just finished watching the Imagine-Nation special on Fukkatsu no F. It's uploading now, but here's some details from what I remember:
The hosts are exceptionally annoying and the narration was very uninformed. At one point he says "Gohan...Goku's only son!" and then later talks about how the last film was drawn "through CG" and this film done by hand. Very strange. I guess it was just poor research by the producers of the show.
That nonsense aside, there was lots of new footage and a load of interesting new tidbits from the staff interviews!
In an interview with Yamamuro, he talks about the attention to detail he put into the martial arts choreography. He breaks down a shot of Piccolo fighting off some of Freeza's men and mentions how his legs would bend in a certain way to accommodate the attacks he was pulling off.
Later, he mentions that Toriyama's screenplay wasn't very descriptive and that, in particular, the mass battle scene simply said "1000 enemies appear with the Z warriors fighting them off" and "this is the greatest battle of all time" with no other detail. It was up to him and his animation team to fill in the details!
Moreover, Yamamuro struggled to visualise Toriyama's idea of hell as the description was so alien to him. He eventually based it on a lake in Austria called "The Green Lake".
The Producer of the film, Horihiro Hayashida, mentioned that the theme of the film was "going back to the source". He revealed that he came up with the idea for bringing back Freeza to fight Goku once again. Strangely, he then talks about how he wanted this film to be all Toriyama.
It was a decent enough watch. I'd love to have seen of these interviews in full as all the narration and parts with the hosts were just awful.
Also, they covered the LA Premiere and you can see Castor Troy in the audience!
AjayLikesGaming wrote:The Producer of the film, Horihiro Hayashida, mentioned that the theme of the film was "going back to the source". He revealed that he came up with the idea for bringing back Freeza to fight Goku
Wait, so it wasn't Toriyama's idea? Were we all misinformed all along?
So it was Horihiro Hayashida's idea for Freeza to return and not Toriyama? Interesting.
Later, he mentions that Toriyama's screenplay wasn't very descriptive and that, in particular, the mass battle scene simply said "1000 enemies appear with the Z warriors fighting them off" and "this is the greatest battle of all time" with no other detail. It was up to him and his animation team to fill in the details!
Hahahaha!
So much for Toriyama putting a lot of detail in the script.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I both would not be surprised and feel better if it did turn out to be the producer's idea instead of Toriyama's.
Well, I guess it's more of I have mixed reactions, because how does this possible producer interference may affect any future film plots?
If he actually said that, I don't think he was supposed to say it. Maybe most of it was TOEI ideas, and they had Toriyama say he did it so fans would accept it and get excited for the movie.
AjayLikesGaming wrote:
The Producer of the film, Horihiro Hayashida, mentioned that the theme of the film was "going back to the source". He revealed that he came up with the idea for bringing back Freeza to fight Goku once again. Strangely, he then talks about how he wanted this film to be all Toriyama.
He must have influenced Toriyama saying things like "Hey, you remember that one song about Freeza? That song was great right? Bringing Freeza back is great too".
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Later, he mentions that Toriyama's screenplay wasn't very descriptive and that, in particular, the mass battle scene simply said "1000 enemies appear with the Z warriors fighting them off" and "this is the greatest battle of all time" with no other detail. It was up to him and his animation team to fill in the details!
Hahahaha!
So much for Toriyama putting a lot of detail in the script.
Haha!! Yeah that was pretty funny. Toriyama weren't kidding when he said he'd leave most of the work to the animators etc.
Is it possible this Hayashida guy could be talking himself up a bit? I mean, when you've got things like that other guy going on about how awesome his creation of Broly was...one can't help but wonder.
I'm also laughing at Toriyama's non-descriptive description of the fight with the Freeza soldiers. Geez, what the heck did he write for the Goku/Freeza fight?
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fadeddreams5 wrote:You know, Gohan can still be powerful and relevant without training OR using this god ritual. Just gotta think outside the box.
Everyone keeps leaning on this lack of desire to train and fight mentality of Gohan's as though that's the only thing that defined his character. He could have progressed into a much greater character based on how he was built up and the things he experienced in the Cell Games, but even what we got in the Buu saga was good enough. At the end of it, I grew to like the character a lot again... until I saw him in EoZ, but that's another story. People just want consistency. Is that too much to ask for? Why are people excusing piss poor writing by saying Gohan was never a fighter to begin with? I don't get it.
Late reply (I'm just catching up with the last few pages) but I agree! "He's not a fighter" is not an excuse for the jobber treatment he's getting
AT could literally retcon Gohan out of the manga and people would probably still excuse it because "he never liked fighting anyway"..
fadeddreams5 wrote:You know, Gohan can still be powerful and relevant without training OR using this god ritual. Just gotta think outside the box.
Everyone keeps leaning on this lack of desire to train and fight mentality of Gohan's as though that's the only thing that defined his character. He could have progressed into a much greater character based on how he was built up and the things he experienced in the Cell Games, but even what we got in the Buu saga was good enough. At the end of it, I grew to like the character a lot again... until I saw him in EoZ, but that's another story. People just want consistency. Is that too much to ask for? Why are people excusing piss poor writing by saying Gohan was never a fighter to begin with? I don't get it.
Late reply (I'm just catching up with the last few pages) but I agree! "He's not a fighter" is not an excuse for the jobber treatment he's getting
AT could literally retcon Gohan out of the manga and people would probably still excuse it because "he never liked fighting anyway"..
I know right. "He is a human" is not an excuse for the jobber treatment Yamcha is getting.
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I also have this recorded at home on my Sky box, so once I'm back, I'll be sure to record a high quality version of this as opposed to this low quality web rip. That won't be until mid-May, though.
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UpFromTheSkies wrote:If he actually said that, I don't think he was supposed to say it. Maybe most of it was TOEI ideas, and they had Toriyama say he did it so fans would accept it and get excited for the movie.
It's entirely possible the song is what had Toriyama thinking about Freeza again and that's why he went along with the idea to bring him back. Or it may be said Producer actually just suggested they restore a villain and the song made Toriyama choose Freeza, which still makes both statements plausible.
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