Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[jcogginsa]

Superman has moved thousands of times faster than light

That doesn't say how fast he throws a punch, while we know Goku becomes invisible to the naked eye when he's fighting. Show me an animated fight where Superman moves as fast as Goku. You can't.

Edit: A good analogy is that Usain Bolt may be the fastest man alive but can he beat Bruce Lee in a fight because of his fast legs? Nope.

Superman has done that too. He's also far too tough for Goku to hurt. Nothing Goku can do could kill him

[Polyphase Avatron]

*sigh*

Just when the discussion was drifting to another topic (and a more interesting one at that)...

[miguelnuva1]

To those talking about how fast Goku fights, Herucle and the cameramen were following Goku vs Cell and Hercule and Dende were following the Kid Buu fight.

[Bullza]

It's inconsistent, there many times during the World Tournaments in the original series where the humans couldn't see what was happening. Also times when people like Roshi couldn't see what was happening despite being able to catch bullets from a few feet away.

Kami made a comment that he couldn't see what was going on when Goku fought Piccolo. Piccolo even explained to Gohan that they weren't supposed to follow the fight with their eyes but their Ki.

King Kai couldn't follow Goku and Freeza's fight etc.

[Bullza]

Don't mean to double post but I just noticed that in the Superman vs Goku 2 fight the scene where Superman performs a combo on Goku in the ice just before he says "I'm impressed." is exactly the same as in the Tenkaichi Budokai 1 intro when Goku does a combo on Kid Buu.

[dario03]

Don't mean to double post but I just noticed that in the Superman vs Goku 2 fight the scene where Superman performs a combo on Goku in the ice just before he says "I'm impressed." is exactly the same as in the Tenkaichi Budokai 1 intro when Goku does a combo on Kid Buu.

Yeah somebody brought that up before. And I think that's not the only case of this fight using combos from the games.

[dbgtFO]

Don't mean to double post but I just noticed that in the Superman vs Goku 2 fight the scene where Superman performs a combo on Goku in the ice just before he says "I'm impressed." is exactly the same as in the Tenkaichi Budokai 1 intro when Goku does a combo on Kid Buu.

Yeah somebody brought that up before. And I think that's not the only case of this fight using combos from the games.

Yeah, that was me, who brought it up back, when the fight was still fresh.
I think I have mentioned it 3 times or something, but only now someone else notices it. I guess the debate about how the two stack up against each other completely overshadowed my contribution at the time

[Bullza]

Well aside from that there was the obvious Man of Steel reference where Superman was punching Goku through the air like he did to Zod but I don't recall anymore.

[rereboy]

That doesn't say how fast he throws a punch, while we know Goku becomes invisible to the naked eye when he's fighting. Show me an animated fight where Superman moves as fast as Goku. You can't.

Edit: A good analogy is that Usain Bolt may be the fastest man alive but can he beat Bruce Lee in a fight because of his fast legs? Nope.

Such a statement just shows your ignorance. Superman can throw punches and everything else he can think of at the speed of light and beyond. It was even nicknamed "infinite mass punch". And he is also so fast than he can turn invisible and even let certain attacks phase through him. All this was shown and explained in the exposition of the first deathbattle video so, all that you are doing is making it apparent that you didn't even watch the deathbattle videos carefully, let alone know a lot about Superman.

[Polyphase Avatron]

The Infinite Mass Punch is actually something the Flash does. Superman's version is not as powerful.

[rereboy]

The Infinite Mass Punch is actually something the Flash does. Superman's version is not as powerful.

It's basically the same thing and same concept. An object at the speed of light will have infinite mass according to psychics, so, a character punching at that speed will punch with infinite mass. The only reason Flash's version is supposed to be even better is because the writers only follow the rules of actual physics to an certain degree. If they followed them completely, no object would be faster than light and, as such, it would be impossible for one of these punches to be better than the other, but since they can actually be faster than light, they consider Flash's version potentially better because he is supposed to be somewhat faster than Superman's. Of course, this doesn't mean that Superman doesn't really punch at the speed of light and beyond, he does, it's just that the rules of physics aren't exactly the same as the real world or they aren't always followed to the letter.

[Sayo-chan]

The Infinite Mass Punch is actually something the Flash does. Superman's version is not as powerful.

It's basically the same thing and same concept. An object at the speed of light will have infinite mass according to psychics

Like Sabrina from Pokemon?

To those talking about how fast Goku fights, Herucle and the cameramen were following Goku vs Cell and (the H-word) and Dende were following the Kid Buu fight.

There comes a point where the camera can't catch sight of them.

[rereboy]

Like Sabrina from Pokemon?

Since I wrote the term I meant correctly shortly after that sentence, it's quite obvious that that was just an innocent oversight on my part due probably to the auto-correct, making your post look more like an attempt to "grammar nazi" a non native english user than an useful post.

[Sayo-chan]

Like Sabrina from Pokemon?

Since I wrote the term I meant correctly shortly after that sentence, it's quite obvious that that was just an innocent oversight on my part due probably to the auto-correct, making your post look more like an attempt to "grammar nazi" a non native english user than an useful post.

It was quite clearly a joke. No need to become offended over something so trivial. Also spelling /=/ grammar.

[White Oni]

To those talking about how fast Goku fights, Herucle and the cameramen were following Goku vs Cell and (the H-word) and Dende were following the Kid Buu fight.

They weren't able to follow. The fight, they were able to comment and react towhat looked like people going invisible and then suddenly reappearing in different places and positions.

Kami/roshi/anyone relevent in DB > camera man and hercule.

You have to assume that what they see is anything more than what I first said and if you do you have to assume the second thing I said is false...

[Polyphase Avatron]

Actually what I remember is that they could see them with their eyes but the cameraman couldn't move the camera fast enough to follow them.

[miguelnuva1]

Actually what I remember is that they could see them with their eyes but the cameraman couldn't move the camera fast enough to follow them.

That is actually what happened. Announcer and Hercule follow and then the Cameraman move the camers and are in the spot right after Goku and Cell move to another. If Goku fought FTL the normal characters wouldn't even be able to react to them.

DB just has inconstant feats.

[neogaiden]

The normal characters actually do lose them as they continue fighting faster and faster. Also regarding them being able to track the action; it looked more like they were at a loss for what little they could see (which could be very little, like faint blurs, explosions, etc) and were hoping that at least the camera man got it all on tape for them. based on that, I would not consider what they did as 'following' anything. It was just a typical gag from Toriyama.

Also fun fact, while comic books like to pick and choose whats physics they'd like to use, if characters were actually FLT they'd be traveling backwards in time.

[White Oni]

The normal characters actually do lose them as they continue fighting faster and faster. Also regarding them being able to track the action; it looked more like they were at a loss for what little they could see (which could be very little, like faint blurs, explosions, etc) and were hoping that at least the camera man got it all on tape for them. based on that, I would not consider what they did as 'following' anything. It was just a typical gag from Toriyama.

Also fun fact, while comic books like to pick and choose whats physics they'd like to use, if characters were actually FLT they'd be traveling backwards in time.

Your fun fact is according to one shaky assumption about one of at least 10 interpretations of quantum physics. We honestly have zero certainty what would happen if someone even could travel faster than light. But I will give you this, whatever does happen, it probably will be nothing like wha is seen in comics.

[neogaiden]

Your fun fact is according to one shaky assumption about one of at least 10 interpretations of quantum physics. We honestly have zero certainty what would happen if someone even could travel faster than light. But I will give you this, whatever does happen, it probably will be nothing like wha is seen in comics.

You might want to talk to Neil Degrasse Tyson about how shaky it is since that's who I got it from. From where I stand though, if a prominent figure in the astrophysics community is saying it, then I'm more inclined to consider what they said as the probable and respected outcome even if there are other possibilities however fringe they may be.
Yeah, for one the results would be consistent.