So is Tarble now non-canonical?
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So is Tarble now non-canonical?
While BoG mentioned him as possibility for the ritual Super completely ignored it?
So what stands more weight. The movie or Super?
So what stands more weight. The movie or Super?
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Not being mentioned doesn't mean he doesn't exist. The JSAT special could still have happened and they just didn't bring him up for the same reason a lot of things go unmentioned in the series, or perhaps he'll be introduced in another manner for Super by tying in with the "F" Arc. Just wait and see what happens before you start worrying about this canon nonsense.
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
1. There is no canon, none, nothing at all.
2. Just because Tarble wasn't mentioned, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. And even if he was, doesn't mean that the same Tarble, which appeared in JSAT, was mentioned in Super. Example is Bardock. Bardock was mentioned in a manga by name, and was even shown there. Was it the same Bardock from Bardock: Father of Goku? No, it was a completely different Bardock with a completely different personality and (probably?) backstory.
2. Just because Tarble wasn't mentioned, doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. And even if he was, doesn't mean that the same Tarble, which appeared in JSAT, was mentioned in Super. Example is Bardock. Bardock was mentioned in a manga by name, and was even shown there. Was it the same Bardock from Bardock: Father of Goku? No, it was a completely different Bardock with a completely different personality and (probably?) backstory.
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Yes it is. You can say bye bye to him.
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He's not canon to Super. Super is about as canon as GT.
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
He might participate in Vegeta's ritual. The thing is... He surely needs to appear, since Dragon Ball Super is a retelling (at this moment) of Movie 14, his mention there would not have a damn meaning at all if he does not appear again.
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Even though you're right about this and I don't disagree with your logic, I'd just like to point out the the phrase 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' has always annoyed me, because it's not true. It would be better phrased as 'absence of evidence is not proof of absence', because it can be very strong evidence. For example, if someone claims they have a Lamborghini, but when asked are unable to show it or any pictures or evidence of it, and it's not in their garage and there are no records of them owning one, that's pretty strong evidence that they're lying.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Not being mentioned doesn't mean he doesn't exist. The JSAT special could still have happened and they just didn't bring him up for the same reason a lot of things go unmentioned in the series, or perhaps he'll be introduced in another manner for Super by tying in with the "F" Arc. Just wait and see what happens before you start worrying about this canon nonsense.
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
Yep, non canon.
Unless he appears later on of course.
Unless he appears later on of course.
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say he'll get a mention later on. Or when the plot calls for it.
Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
Can you and anyone else who says this please stop saying it cause all you're doing is spreading false information.Mystic Tien wrote:1. There is no canon, none, nothing at all.
Super will be following the events that were written in it's BOG arc so it holds more weight.Kishido wrote:While BoG mentioned him as possibility for the ritual Super completely ignored it?
So what stands more weight. The movie or Super?
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I agree. It's getting annoying.sintzu wrote:Can you and anyone else who says this please stop saying it cause all you're doing is spreading false information.Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:1. There is no canon, none, nothing at all.
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He's "canon" to me and that's all that matters.
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
How so? Seems like a true statement to me.sintzu wrote:Can you and anyone else who says this please stop saying it cause all you're doing is spreading false information.Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:1. There is no canon, none, nothing at all.
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He's not spreading false information though, since there is truly no officially defined canon. We have some inferences made by Toriyama regarding things like GT and the pre-BoG movies, but neither he nor Toei have ever flat out said "This is canon and this is not".sintzu wrote:Can you and anyone else who says this please stop saying it cause all you're doing is spreading false information.Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:1. There is no canon, none, nothing at all.
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Saying there's no canon is like saying the writers aren't following any story line and are just doing whatever they want regardless of it fitting together or not which isn't the case now and never was.Tyro wrote:How so? Seems like a true statement to me.
The best example I can think of for a show not having a canon is Tom&Jerry,each episode is it's own thing and has nothing to do with what came before and what'll come after which doesn't fit DB at all cause each new arc is a continuation of the story and plot points that were set in the previous arcs.
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
That's precisely the case right now with Dragon Ball Super. They're re-telling events they literally just told, have massive age/year contradictions going on (saying it's six months after Buu, Beerus' 39 years thing not lining up with what they've told already, Videl already being pregnant despite us seeing Pan four years old at the final tournament, etc.). It's not fitting together at all, and you're supposed to just accept it.sintzu wrote:Saying there's no canon is like saying the writers aren't following any story line and are just doing whatever they want regardless of it fitting together or not which isn't the case now and never was.
That's in addition to all the contradictions that exist within the original 42-volume manga itself, irrespective of later adaptations. Then you DO get into the new material, and there's consistently more and more things that don't add up (everything from a couple timeframes in Jaco to massive strength disparities if you want to go down that route).
To say it's always worked perfectly and it's always made perfect sense is to be willfully or naively ignorant about how the series has been constructed and what the author's goals have always been.
I'm sorry you don't like the fact that no-one in an official capacity has outlined "THE CANON", but you don't get to change the truth just because you don't like it. If "THE CANON" was as easy and obvious as you think it is, there wouldn't be constant questions about it.
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Re: So is Tarble now non-canonical?
This is why TOEI shouldn't write Dragon Ball stories on their own... though recent stuff like Minus prove Toriyama-sensei lost quite a bit of his original touch,
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
I'm not saying it's perfect cause it's far from it but to say it doesn't exist is a little excessive.VegettoEX wrote: That's precisely the case right now with Dragon Ball Super. They're re-telling events they literally just told, have massive age/year contradictions going on (saying it's six months after Buu, Beerus' 39 years thing not lining up with what they've told already, Videl already being pregnant despite us seeing Pan four years old at the final tournament, etc.). It's not fitting together at all, and you're supposed to just accept it.
I agree that Videl being pregnant this early is a massive contradiction to the original ending but did you ever think that maybe it's because Toriyama is going to give us a new one ? he wrote the original ending during a time where he was tired of the franchise and wanted to get done with it as fast as possible but now he's having fun with it and might have something better in mind.
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Re: So is Tarbles now non canon?
sintzu wrote: Can you and anyone else who says this please stop saying it cause all you're doing is spreading false information.
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Buy the rights for Dragon Ball, become the Canonicity Manager, then we stop. Other than that, there is no unequivocal canonicity and nothing that leads to the conclusion of intended canonicity. Normally I am the guy who says when things are obvious and people don't want it to be but for that it has to be obvious. No legal owner cares about a definitive canonicity and that is how it is.
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Re: So is Tarble now non-canonical?
There is no official canon besides, of course, the original source material, which is the manga. That is fact.
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