Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[neogaiden]

Tenchi is suppose to be an individual on equal standing to omnipotent beings. (The glowing being shown in the 3rd ova was his omnipotent self from 1000 years in the future) Also, If we were to take the statements of the choushin at face value, then he would actually be on a tier beyond those 3. That said, if we're talking about plain old Tenchi (even before his body was reformed by the light hawk wings) then Mr. Satan maybe able to take him in unarmed combat... Maybe...

[neogaiden]

There is clearly a bias in favor of Goku cause you and a few others are actively trying to tear away Superman's higher tier feats while simultaneously saying Goku's feats "Don't need to make sense. It's fiction." and saying that Superman's don't make sense and shouldn't be considered. Again, you can't force one party to play by the rules while the other is allowed to run free from the rules. That's bias. But I guess having Goku win means more even if it is under a severe handicap.

I know you're done but this bias stance is silly; there is no bias (at least with the feat in ep 12 and the infinite book feat).

One has an in universe explanation for why things were panning out the way it did; unrealistic as it was, it made sense in the worlds logic. On the other hand there was no explanation for how Ultraman could complete a book with unending content in it. Even if he out paced the book to read the last entry at that point, he would be incorrect in stating that it was final chapter as presumably more would be generated soon after. There is also no clear explanation for how much the item actually weighed. To compound matters further the thing was already levitating and left a fairly pathetic crater despite all the assumed "infinite weight" it had. A simple in universe explanation would be enough even it it was unrealistic. This is why the feat is usually not used; it's too ambiguous, and leaves superman fans to rely on sentiment to explain it instead of logic ( logic in the fiction or the real world.) This however generally fails to explain anything relevant and comes off as a cop-out. It's similar to how some people believe Goku at the end of GT is omnipotent due to the Dragonballs fusing with him, and demonstrating an ability to appear where ever he wants; the events are way too ambiguous for one to even consider that conclusion.

[BlazingBarrrager]

So yeah the latest Desk of Death Battle was on if someone could beat Superman period? Turns out someone did so in a fair fight via a boxing match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uGSP0t0osw

[singsing]

So yeah the latest Desk of Death Battle was on if someone could beat Superman period? Turns out someone did so in a fair fight via a boxing match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uGSP0t0osw

A looot of people can and have beaten Superman, which is why the N O L I M I T S thing is made fun of.

[Polyphase Avatron]

I really think vs. debates become incredibly pointless (more so than usual) once you get to the whole "which omnipotent is more omnipotent" stage.

[Noah]

Do anyone knows what's the name of the track that plays in this part of the video?

[Bullza]

Yeah it's called Life That Must Be Protected. It's from when Goku was trying to stop Beerus' Sphere of Destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DvU3iZYO8

[Noah]

Yeah it's called Life That Must Be Protected. It's from when Goku was trying to stop Beerus' Sphere of Destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DvU3iZYO8

Thank you, man! I remember listening once, but I thought it was on Kai! Very appreciated! This should be on DBS

[Sora Saiyan]

So yeah the latest Desk of Death Battle was on if someone could beat Superman period? Turns out someone did so in a fair fight via a boxing match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uGSP0t0osw

It actually aggravates that this is how they view Superman. He is massively powerful, but they seem to truly believe that almost nobody can defeat him when that really, really isn't the case.

[Polyphase Avatron]

In fact a lot of DC fans complain when he wins battles he honestly shouldn't be able to (i.e. against Darkseid). They had to retcon those fights to being weaker Darkseid avatars to make them make sense.

[singsing]

In fact a lot of DC fans complain when he wins battles he honestly shouldn't be able to (i.e. against Darkseid). They had to retcon those fights to being weaker Darkseid avatars to make them make sense.

It still doesn't make sense, the Darkseid avatars should still be far and above anything standard Superman can dish out.

[dbzfan7]

Someone want to sum that desk vid for me? The only 2 I saw being the Sonic and Goku and Vegeta parent one were so stupid I don't want to see another shit video. What stupidity did they say this time. Death Battle has more reasoning than...that stupid desk crap.

[neogaiden]

Someone want to sum that desk vid for me? The only 2 I saw being the Sonic and Goku and Vegeta parent one were so stupid I don't want to see another shit video. What stupidity did they say this time. Death Battle has more reasoning than...that stupid desk crap.

Basically that Muhammad Ali legitimately defeated superman while under a red sun; suggested Superman is limitless and showed a pic of prime million; claimed prior defeat by Doomsday was when Superman was not nearly as powerful as he was later... Wanking basically.

[miguelnuva1]

I don't even thibk Pre Crisis Superman could beat Death Battle Superman.

Death Battle created a ungodly imginary Superman and on top of that Goku would be able to handle to non pre crisis and up Superman based on Super feats.

Goku could bust megaverse now and he would beat the Death Battle Superman.

[Sora Saiyan]

Death Battles Supes seems to be a composite Supes, but I'm actually surprised they haven't used CA Supes. They probably will if there ever comes a time Supes might lose in their battles.

[neogaiden]

Death Battles Supes seems to be a composite Supes, but I'm actually surprised they haven't used CA Supes. They probably will if there ever comes a time Supes might lose in their battles.

Not that it would make a difference but they'd probably have to use a fused character to parallel the merger two supermen to power the ancient weapon.

[Nightmare Wheel]

This whole composite Superman thing they do is such a joke. It pretty much lets them arbitrarily select any abilities they want.

Hell, I could turn this against them. There was an old TV show where chi was shown to be deadly to Supes. Why wasn't that included? Oh yeah, because DB thinks Superman is literally invincible.

[rereboy]

This whole composite Superman thing they do is such a joke. It pretty much lets them arbitrarily select any abilities they want.

Hell, I could turn this against them. There was an old TV show where chi was shown to be deadly to Supes. Why wasn't that included? Oh yeah, because DB thinks Superman is literally invincible.

It wasn't because the difference between Ki and magic is clear in Dragon Ball and only magic can affect Superman like that besides Kriptonite, thus it doesn't make sense. Your comment just shows you didn't even pay attention to the arguments used.

[Nightmare Wheel]

This whole composite Superman thing they do is such a joke. It pretty much lets them arbitrarily select any abilities they want.

Hell, I could turn this against them. There was an old TV show where chi was shown to be deadly to Supes. Why wasn't that included? Oh yeah, because DB thinks Superman is literally invincible.

It wasn't because the difference between Ki and magic is clear in Dragon Ball and only magic can affect Superman like that besides Kriptonite, thus it doesn't make sense. Your comment just shows you didn't even pay attention to the arguments used.

You completely missed my point. DB uses a version of Superman that cherry picks abilities from multiple continuities, usually to fit with their view that Superman is invincible. The problem is that I could use the same thing to say that Superman is weak against Goku because there is a continuity where this is the case. I'm not saying that Superman is typically weak against Ki, just that I could use DB's own logic to come to the exact opposite conclusion they did, that Goku would easily kill Superman. Perhaps I failed to convey the point that they need to pick one consistent version of a character and stick to it. This comes up in a few of their other videos too, just not the same extent as Superman.

[rereboy]

I didn't miss any point. Like I said before, there are a very high number of versions and interpretations of Superman thanks to all the different writers, continuities and decades of material. Because of that, there are plenty of inconsistencies between those versions. Therefore, if we want to compare Superman to Goku, we can only take two routes:

- we can either just focus on a very particular version of Superman and compare that specific version to Goku, and obviously, there are plenty of versions of Superman that are inferior to Goku and there are others that are obviously superior, so the answer will solely depend on the version of Superman we are comparing; or

- we can take Superman as an overall character, meaning that we won't focus just on just a particular version, but on a a more broad combination of versions and the intent behind the character as well, and compare it to Goku. Obviously, in this case, the more impressive feats of Superman will be taken into consideration, just like Goku's feats will. In this case, the Deathbattle answers and arguments (in both battles) are perfectly acceptable.

It seems clear to me that you just didn't understand this because you aren't complaining that Deathbattle didn't focus on just one specific version of Superman when they could, you are actually complaining that they somehow "cherry-picked" the more impressive feats of the character when they took the second approach I mentioned, which doesn't make much sense since it's not just a very specific version of Superman. Oh, and btw, those feats aren't even the more impressive ones they could use because in the combination of versions that they used for Superman they didn't even use anything from pre-crisis Superman and they used things like SSJ4 for Goku which could be argued is from a different version of Goku (which means that they are also taking the combination approach to Goku).