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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheGmGoken » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:58 pm

Puto wrote:He already said earlier that he overwrote the original source file, so it's probably not possible (unless he still happens to have the previous render around his hard drive).
He could restore his pc to an earlier date but that's to much. I prefer the old over the new as I've already stated, but he can easily(maybe not) make something similar or even better. However may I ask what software did you use Metal?

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Post by Naruto6583 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:59 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Puto wrote:He already said earlier that he overwrote the original source file, so it's probably not possible (unless he still happens to have the previous render around his hard drive).
He could restore his pc to an earlier date but that's to much. I prefer the old over the new as I've already stated, but he can easily(maybe not) make something similar or even better. However may I ask what software did you use Metal?
I'm also curious as well
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:06 pm

I used FL Studio 8.

Anyway, I did have another version saved around the same time, but it's not quite exact because I used more strings than trumpets (my first version had both, and it didn't sound too good). The arrangment's the same, and it seems his problem is that he didn't like the trumpet, so I'm hoping he likes this one more than the original...

Anyway, here's the link. Hopefully this will get him off of my back.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:07 pm

I was wondering something. Regarding the Funi dub of this arc. I know some people have said that it is happening and that's just an NDA thing. I can't remember where, but somebody mentioned that Chris Sabat has done "pranks" like this before. Any examples perhaps?
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Post by Fionordequester » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:35 pm

Oh, TONS of examples. There's that whole running gag about the Kazoo (Chris Sabat made it seems as though some crazy obsessed hotel worker left a message saying 'the kazoo is everywhere', and was just generally being creepy), he and Schemmell have been shown crank calling a woman's boss, and Chris Sabat has often told stories about how, as a child, he would crank call people and then call them back while pretending to be his Dad when they tried to complain...

So yeah, him doing this is completely in-character for him.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:24 pm

I'm officially burned out on remixing the NEP theme. :p

I just made some tweaks, and here's the final version.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Flame Dragon » Tue Apr 15, 2014 5:33 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:I'm officially burned out on remixing the NEP theme. :p

I just made some tweaks, and here's the final version.
This is great stuff :D
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Post by Metalwario64 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:21 pm

Flame Dragon wrote:Now take a rest, and stop caring about people pissing on your work.
More like a certain one person. :p
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Post by MagicBox » Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:09 am

I've got a quick question.

The general consensus seems to be that this arc of Kai has received a reduced budget, one possible reason being that it was produced "in secret" for over a year without any sponsored TV airings (as Kei said). So, now that it's airing (with sponsors), where does that money go? Does that money strictly have to be used towards Kai, or can Toei or Fuji TV just "pocket" that and use it for whatever they please, whether it has anything to do with Kai or not?

I mean, we can assume that the music's already been recorded, that most of the "remastering" is done, and that the cast/crew are almost done recording (if they haven't finished already), so what would that money go toward anyway if it were to be used for the show itself? Future ending credits animations?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:53 am

When a trailer was released, I pointed out these "lazy color correction artifacts."
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Also, you can see the cyan from the sky left in Vegeta's aura.

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This kind of thing happens if you shift blues and cyans without enough care like this example.

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And sadly, you can occasionally see them in actual episodes.

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It looks like his neck is horribly burned.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:59 am

Question Kei and to everyone else who quality intelligent. I have only basic knowledge of this. But to the average viewer how do this look? Even average Quality freaks how do this looks? I honestly want to know cause this looks good to me. I hope I didn't offend anyone :?.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:06 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Question Kei and to everyone else who quality intelligent. I have only basic knowledge of this. But to the average viewer how do this look? Even average Quality freaks how do this looks? I honestly want to know cause this looks good to me. I hope I didn't offend anyone :?.
Id much rather see GIFs of these images. A still image is one thing, but its a screenshot of animation, hence it will be moving. If the pointed out flaws are still rather noticeable when the animation is actually playing, thats one thing. But, if its something you can only really notice when its paused, then I fail to see why its such a big deal.
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Post by kei17 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:16 am

TheGmGoken wrote:Question Kei and to everyone else who quality intelligent. I have only basic knowledge of this. But to the average viewer how do this look? Even average Quality freaks how do this looks? I honestly want to know cause this looks good to me. I hope I didn't offend anyone :?.
It doesn't look bad. Compared to that of the first batch of Kai, the footage is sharper and has less jitter and more image on sides. It's just that there are also some flaws caused by cutting corners that are obvious only to those who are familiar with video editing.

KentalSSJ6 wrote:If the pointed out flaws are still rather noticeable when the animation is actually playing, thats one thing. But, if its something you can only really notice when its paused, then I fail to see why its such a big deal.
The artifacts that I mentioned in my last post are even more noticeable in motion.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:23 am

Ok but the gif is just focused on that small portion of the screen. When its just that of course its gonna be noticeable. I wanna see a gif of the whole image so a complete view of it can be seen.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:34 am

kei17 wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:Question Kei and to everyone else who quality intelligent. I have only basic knowledge of this. But to the average viewer how do this look? Even average Quality freaks how do this looks? I honestly want to know cause this looks good to me. I hope I didn't offend anyone :?.
It doesn't look bad. Compared to that of the first batch of Kai, the footage is sharper and has less jitter and more image on sides. It's just that there are also some flaws caused by cutting corners that are obvious only to those who are familiar with video editing
What type of editing? As I video edited to but obviously very differently and purposes,

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Post by Ajay » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:43 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
What type of editing? As I video edited to but obviously very differently and purposes,
I would imagine any type. This is common stuff for anyone with real knowledge of colour correction; accurate white balance fixes and dealing with colour contamination etc.

Just basic stuff that any professional should be looking for really.

I guess it's not really something AMV editors really care for since they're mostly about crazy colours and whatever.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:47 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Ok but the gif is just focused on that small portion of the screen. When its just that of course its gonna be noticeable. I wanna see a gif of the whole image so a complete view of it can be seen.
Here's the whole shot in motion. Though the footage is entirely degrained, only the shadows cast on his face and neck are remained grainy because they're artifacts digitally caused by a sloppy color correction.


Anyway, apart from the artifacts, this particular scene with Goku and Kaio has really lifeless and forced colors especially when it's compared to Q-TEC's remaster in the earlier arcs. It looks as if the film is rotten.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:51 am

See, I barley noticed that in motion even after full-screening it. Minor things like that really dont bother me that much seeing as its literally only a few seconds and not entirely noticeable to begin with. Its not like I'm gonna be staring at Goku's neck the entire time when he's speaking.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:52 am

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
What type of editing? As I video edited to but obviously very differently and purposes,
I would imagine any type. This is common stuff for anyone with real knowledge of colour correction; accurate white balance fixes and dealing with colour contamination etc.

Just basic stuff that any professional should be looking for really.

I guess it's not really something AMV editors really care for since they're mostly about crazy colours and whatever.
Actually we're not. Sense they're multiple types of AMV editing styles. Crazy colors are mostly from dubsteps such as my "Kyoto wants that". While others tell a story like my "Son Goku Revenge" . Or even just a great edited amv like Dbzeq3. Though some people with Amvs do quality test for perfect quality imho. Also most editors prefer things in 4:3 for Dbz and Kai. As some remastered BoG in 4:3.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:57 am

KentalSSJ6 wrote:See, I barley noticed that in motion even after full-screening it. Minor things like that really dont bother me that much seeing as its literally only a few seconds and not entirely noticeable to begin with. Its not like I'm gonna be staring at Goku's neck the entire time when he's speaking.
Whether or not you notice them, they're very unprofessional flaws that never happened in Q-TEC's remaster, which shows how this is cheaply done this time.

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