Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[BrolyLSSJ]

I've always been of the opinion that once you get to characters who can blink out multiverses with a thought or some such crazy thing that debating who is stronger is pointless.

For example if you put the Grace from the Doctor Who Expanded Universe against the Living Tribunal from Marvel they are both so ridiculously OP that there is really no way to form an accurate basis for comparison.

Uh we actually get into contact with a few marvel/dc and other company owners lol

LT is a Megaverse entity that can only be killed/defeated omnipotence.

[Kamiccolo9]

I've always been of the opinion that once you get to characters who can blink out multiverses with a thought or some such crazy thing that debating who is stronger is pointless.

For example if you put the Grace from the Doctor Who Expanded Universe against the Living Tribunal from Marvel they are both so ridiculously OP that there is really no way to form an accurate basis for comparison.

Uh we actually get into contact with a few marvel/dc and other company owners lol

LT is a Megaverse entity that can only be killed/defeated omnipotence.

The Living Tribunal has been killed, as of right now, by a group of aliens that, while they are extremely powerful, are not omnipotent.

[BrolyLSSJ]

I've always been of the opinion that once you get to characters who can blink out multiverses with a thought or some such crazy thing that debating who is stronger is pointless.

For example if you put the Grace from the Doctor Who Expanded Universe against the Living Tribunal from Marvel they are both so ridiculously OP that there is really no way to form an accurate basis for comparison.

Uh we actually get into contact with a few marvel/dc and other company owners lol

LT is a Megaverse entity that can only be killed/defeated omnipotence.

The Living Tribunal has been killed, as of right now, by a group of aliens that, while they are extremely powerful, are not omnipotent.

I asked tom himself.....the beyonders are Omnipotent,Omnipresent and Nigh-Omniscient......so yes he was defeated by a sadistic omnipotent race.

[Kamiccolo9]

I asked tom himself.....the beyonders are Omnipotent,Omnipresent and Nigh-Omniscient......so yes he was defeated by a sadistic omnipotent race.

I doubt that.

The Beyonders are said, on panel, to be limited, specifically in that they are linear beings who can only affect their own timeline. If they are in any way limited, then they are not omnipotent. They were injured by the explosion of Starbrand. They are not omnipotent.

[BrolyLSSJ]

I asked tom himself.....the beyonders are Omnipotent,Omnipresent and Nigh-Omniscient......so yes he was defeated by a sadistic omnipotent race.

I doubt that.

The Beyonders are said, on panel, to be limited, specifically in that they are linear beings who can only affect their own timeline. If they are in any way limited, then they are not omnipotent. They were injured by the explosion of Starbrand. They are not omnipotent.

Sorry I doubt you know what True Omnipotence and infinite power is since they have INFINITE power and was PLOTTED to have a weakness even when the beyonder (cosmic cube) aka their baby had the power to time travel and time manipulate. Omnipotential

[Kamiccolo9]

I asked tom himself.....the beyonders are Omnipotent,Omnipresent and Nigh-Omniscient......so yes he was defeated by a sadistic omnipotent race.

I doubt that.

The Beyonders are said, on panel, to be limited, specifically in that they are linear beings who can only affect their own timeline. If they are in any way limited, then they are not omnipotent. They were injured by the explosion of Starbrand. They are not omnipotent.

Sorry I doubt you know what True Omnipotence and infinite power is.

The Beyonders aren't Doctor Doom.

And I'm not sure why you're throwing a Wiki at me. Wiki's aren't valid sources.

[BrolyLSSJ]

[The Beyonders aren't Doctor Doom.

Doom has their power for the PURPOSE of the secret wars and if he IS omnipotent by the editor of marvel then the beyonders are as well since its their power not his own and he even commented "I under estimate the omnipotence of my enemies (Beyonders)."

[Kamiccolo9]

[The Beyonders aren't Doctor Doom.

Doom has their power for the PURPOSE of the secret wars and if he IS omnipotent by the editor of marvel then the beyonders are as well since its their power not his own and he even commented "I under estimate the omnipotence of my enemies (Beyonders)."

He has the power of the entire race, not the power of one Beyonder. The Beyonders, individually, are not omnipotent, as has been shown, repeatedly, on panel. Don't presume to lecture me about Marvel.

[BrolyLSSJ]

[The Beyonders aren't Doctor Doom.

Doom has their power for the PURPOSE of the secret wars and if he IS omnipotent by the editor of marvel then the beyonders are as well since its their power not his own and he even commented "I under estimate the omnipotence of my enemies (Beyonders)."

He has the power of the entire race, not the power of one Beyonder. The Beyonders, individually, are not omnipotent, as has been shown, repeatedly, on panel. Don't presume to lecture me about Marvel.

The beyonders are omnipotent regardless of how you feel pal I have read it all and I have read the handbook they are described as ALL-POWERFUL aka Omnipotent.

Handbook+Dr.Doom+Tom > Your opinion

GG LT can only be killed by Omnipotence

[Kamiccolo9]

The beyonders are omnipotent regardless of hoe you feel pal I have read it all and I have read the handbook they are described as ALL-POWERFUL aka Omnipotent.

Handbook+Dr.Doom+Tom > Your opinion

GG LT can only be killed by Omnipotence

You mean the '89 Handbook? Don't make me laugh. The entire early Beyonder saga has been retconned so many times that none of that is remotely relevant anymore, and they don't really say anything supporting your current argument anyway.

You may have "read it all," but you clearly lack comprehension. The comics are very clear on what the Beyonders limitations are.

Brevoort is an editor, not a writer or an owner, and he's not even the highest-ranking editor at Marvel. What he says on a twitter account does not overrule what actually occurs on panel.

And if you are going to continue to argue this with me, take some effort to clean up your posts. I'm not going to bother responding if I have to decipher everything you write because you can't be bothered to be legible.

[BrolyLSSJ]

The beyonders are omnipotent regardless of how you feel pal I have read it all and I have read the handbook they are described as ALL-POWERFUL aka Omnipotent.

Handbook+Dr.Doom+Tom > Your opinion

GG LT can only be killed by Omnipotence

You mean the '89 Handbook? Don't make me laugh. The entire early Beyonder saga has been retconned so many times that none of that is remotely relevant anymore, and they don't really say anything supporting your current argument anyway.

You may have "read it all," but you clearly lack comprehension. The comics are very clear on what the Beyonders limitations are.

Brevoort is an editor, not a writer or an owner, and he's not even the highest-ranking editor at Marvel. What he says on a twitter account does not overrule what actually occurs on panel.

And if you are going to continue to argue this with me, take some effort to clean up your posts. I'm not going to bother responding if I have to decipher everything you write because you can't be bothered to be legible.

Tom works and published and edits and have wrote for marvel his words mean more than yours.



Also I stated I read the BEYODNERS handbook even within the Beyonder his Pre-Retcon form during 2006 was stated to be Omnipotent by Jim starlin.

You lost pal just stop.

[Kamiccolo9]

Spoiler:

If they have limitations and weaknesses, then they are not omnipotent. Learn what the word means. There is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. Possibly two at the moment, given Doom's current status, but this isn't concerning him.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Spoiler:

If they have limitations and weaknesses, then they are not omnipotent. Learn what the word means. There is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. Possibly two at the moment, given Doom's current status, but this isn't concerning him.

No true omni in marvel WRONG!

Apparently/Possibly

The Beyonders have been called OMNIPOTENT by DOOM/MOLECULE MAN.
They have infinite power which is OMNIPOTENCE.
They have been described by marvel to be ALL-POWERFUL which also means OMNIPOTENCE.

Just stop because like I stated THEY ARE OMNIPOTENT BUT NOT OMNISCIENT.

Not hard to read as the scans I posted are 100% backing up my statements.

[Kamiccolo9]

Spoiler:

If they have limitations and weaknesses, then they are not omnipotent. Learn what the word means. There is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. Possibly two at the moment, given Doom's current status, but this isn't concerning him.

No true omni in marvel WRONG!

Possibly/Believed

They have infinite power which is OMNIPOTENCE
They have been described by marvel to be ALL-POWERFUL which also means OMNIPOTENCE

Just stop because like I stated THEY ARE OMNIPOTENT BUT NOT OMNISCIENT.

Not hard as the scans I posted are 100% back up.

I can present scans saying that Odin is omnipotent. That doesn't make it true.

The One Above All has appeared multiple times in Marvel comics, and has been referenced even more often. Your information is either wrong or out of date. The handbooks have never been particularly accurate, anyway. The handbook you just quoted actually prohibits the existence of the Beyonders, if you assume that they are more powerful than he is.

So what I'm getting from you are flawed arguments and cries for me to "just stop," because you don't seem to actually be willing to discuss this.

If the Beyonders cannot affect the timestream, then they have limits. If they have limits, then they are not omnipotent. If they are labeled as omnipotent while still being shown to have limits, then the term is being used as hyperbole, as it is often used with Odin. It's not that hard to comprehend.

[KentalSSJ6]

Broly, you are debating with a literal walking talking Marvel database. This isnt going to end well for you, trust me.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Broly, you are debating with a literal walking talking Marvel database. This isnt going to end well for you, trust me.

A wannabe more like it.

[BrolyLSSJ]

I can present scans saying that Odin is omnipotent. That doesn't make it true.

The One Above All has appeared multiple times in Marvel comics, and has been referenced even more often. Your information is either wrong or out of date. The handbooks have never been particularly accurate, anyway. The handbook you just quoted actually prohibits the existence of the Beyonders, if you assume that they are more powerful than he is.

So what I'm getting from you are flawed arguments and cries for me to "just stop," because you don't seem to actually be willing to discuss this.

If the Beyonders cannot affect the timestream, then they have limits. If they have limits, then they are not omnipotent. If they are labeled as omnipotent while still being shown to have limits, then the term is being used as hyperbole, as it is often used with Odin. It's not that hard to comprehend.

Handbook by marvel > this argument.

You lost just stop this handbook is the NEW 2015 Handbook titled
"Secret wars guide to the multiverse."

[BrolyLSSJ]

meaning of all powerful

[Kamiccolo9]

So the Beyonders have no limits, then? They are totally unbeatable because they have no weaknesses and have access to all power that ever was, ever will be, etc?

No?

Then they are not omnipotent. And anybody with any sense would tell you that on-panel occurrences trump any kind of out of universe supplement. Omnipotence is used, 99.9% of the time, as a hyperbolic statement to hype up the latest cosmic threat. The Infinity Gauntlet was said to be omnipotent; it wasn't. Odin is constantly said to be omnipotent; he's not. The Beyonders have clearly defined, stated and shown weaknesses. They are not omnipotent. This is in the actual comic itself. Nothing you say trumps that.

meaning of all powerful

And they can't alter the timestream, so they aren't all powerful, are they? They have limitations.

[BrolyLSSJ]

So the Beyonders have no limits, then? They are totally unbeatable because they have no weaknesses and have access to all power that ever was, ever will be, etc?
No?
Then they are not omnipotent. And anybody with any sense would tell you that on-panel occurrences trump any kind of out of universe supplement. Omnipotence is used, 99.9% of the time, as a hyperbolic statement to hype up the latest cosmic threat. The Infinity Gauntlet was said to be omnipotent; it wasn't. Odin is constantly said to be omnipotent; he's not. The Beyonders have clearly defined, stated and shown weaknesses. They are not omnipotent. This is in the actual comic itself. Nothing you say trumps that.

meaning of all powerful

And they can't alter the timestream, so they aren't all powerful, are they? They have limitations.

Using plot induce stupidity isnt a feat here as they were PLOTTED for secret wars and for Dr.Doom to be OMNIPOTENT.

Marvel Handbook trumps your entire argument here. now lets get back to superman always beating goku.

Handbook for Odin already described him as just very powerful. So wrong marvel fixed their meaning because of people like you.
Handbook Infinity Gauntlet a VIRTUAL aka NEAR so you need to read up pal.