Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[BrolyLSSJ]

Like how this guy denies what marvel states.....so I guess kishimoto words mean nothing as well.

[Kamiccolo9]

The very definition you posted prohibits them from being Omnipotent. You are literally arguing against yourself.

And it's not just me saying this. I have already posted, purely for your benefit, an in-universe example of their limitations. Hickman clearly defined that they are not all-powerful. The story literally could not function if they were all powerful. They could not prevent Doom's plan because they were not able to. It very clearly says this.

Any instance referring to them as "omnipotent" is meant to be taken as hyperbole. The very same author who wrote that they were "all-powerful" is the one who established that they had limits. They are "omnipotent" in the same way that Odin is; it is hype for being "really really really powerful."

[BrolyLSSJ]

The very definition you posted prohibits them from being Omnipotent. You are literally arguing against yourself.

And it's not just me saying this. I have already posted, purely for your benefit, an in-universe example of their limitations. Hickman clearly defined that they are not all-powerful. The story literally could not function if they were all powerful. They could not prevent Doom's plan because they were not able to. It very clearly says this.

Any instance referring to them as "omnipotent" is meant to be taken as hyperbole. The very same author who wrote that they were "all-powerful" is the one who established that they had limits. They are "omnipotent" in the same way that Odin is; it is hype for being "really really really powerful."

Infinite Power=Omnipotence=All-Powerful......
Hickman also stated they are all-powerful.
Tom stated they are all-powerful.
The Handbook stated they are all-powerful.
Dr.Doom stated they are all-powerful.
Molecule Man state they are all-powerful

I dont see any hyperbole since they killed LT and that's the only thing that CAN kill LT.

Their limit IS being PLOTTED to LOSE for a EVENT like I stated you can keep going but again the company overall overrules your opinion.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Let me use your logic.....
If kishimoto stated Goku would lose to videl in a serious question WOULD you believe it? Or do you need him to draw it? I will wait for a HONEST answer.

[Kamiccolo9]

The very definition you posted prohibits them from being Omnipotent. You are literally arguing against yourself.

And it's not just me saying this. I have already posted, purely for your benefit, an in-universe example of their limitations. Hickman clearly defined that they are not all-powerful. The story literally could not function if they were all powerful. They could not prevent Doom's plan because they were not able to. It very clearly says this.

Any instance referring to them as "omnipotent" is meant to be taken as hyperbole. The very same author who wrote that they were "all-powerful" is the one who established that they had limits. They are "omnipotent" in the same way that Odin is; it is hype for being "really really really powerful."

Infinite Power=Omnipotence=All-Powerful......
Hickman also stated they are all-powerful.
Tom stated they are all-powerful.
The Handbook stated they are all-powerful.
Dr.Doom stated they are all-powerful.
Molecule Man state they are all-powerful

I dont see any hyperbole since they killed LT and that's the only thing that CAN kill LT.

Their limit IS being PLOTTED to LOSE for a EVENT like I stated you can keep going but again the company overall overrules your opinion.

Doom at first believed that they were all-powerful, and later realized that they weren't, which is why he was able to do what he did. It wasn't PIS, this was a legitimate limitation that Doom utilized to beat them.

Molecule Man was working with Doom, and was there when Doom revealed their weakness. He signed off on Doom's plan.

Hickman wrote that they had limitations. He can do that; it's his story.

Brevoort has no say in this. It's not his story.

The Handbook is either wrong, or utilizing hyperbole.

And you can post that definition all you want. If the Beyonders have limits, they can't be all-powerful. The Beyonders have limits, therefore they are not omnipotent. Every time you post that definition, you are literally proving yourself wrong.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Doom at first believed that they were all-powerful, and later realized that they weren't, which is why he was able to do what he did. It wasn't PIS, this was a legitimate limitation that Doom utilized to beat them.

Molecule Man was working with Doom, and was there when Doom revealed their weakness. He signed off on Doom's plan.

Hickman wrote that they had limitations. He can do that; it's his story.

Brevoort has no say in this. It's not his story.

The Handbook is either wrong, or utilizing hyperbole.

And you can post that definition all you want. If the Beyonders have limits, they can't be all-powerful. The Beyonders have limits, therefore they are not omnipotent. Every time you post that definition, you are literally proving yourself wrong.

1. Wrong he stated they have infinite power and he is currently Omnipotent correct?
2. Beyonders casually stomped marvels top tiers like babies and then gets beaten?......thats PIS you need to know what that is because it seems you don't.
3. Time weakness Yet they created universes and even their babies aka the beyonder has the power to turn back time and etc read fantastic four annual number 7 that's PIS+CIS since beyonder is a BABY of them and yet they dont have that power? Yeah PIS at it's best.
4. Tom words> Your words
5. The Hanbook isnt wrong as its stated within the comics as well.
6. You can be all powerful AKA infinite in power and not be omniscient just as Doom correct? Therefore they are omnipotent.

I dont know why are you even trying I have debunked you multiple times here on this subject.

They are a Nigh Omnipotent race ONLY because they lack FULL OMNISCIENCE but then again they have Infinite power therefore they are a OMNIPOTENT RACE.

[Kamiccolo9]

Doom at first believed that they were all-powerful, and later realized that they weren't, which is why he was able to do what he did. It wasn't PIS, this was a legitimate limitation that Doom utilized to beat them.

Molecule Man was working with Doom, and was there when Doom revealed their weakness. He signed off on Doom's plan.

Hickman wrote that they had limitations. He can do that; it's his story.

Brevoort has no say in this. It's not his story.

The Handbook is either wrong, or utilizing hyperbole.

And you can post that definition all you want. If the Beyonders have limits, they can't be all-powerful. The Beyonders have limits, therefore they are not omnipotent. Every time you post that definition, you are literally proving yourself wrong.

1. Wrong he stated they have infinite power and he is currently Omnipotent correct?
2. Beyodners casually stomped marvel stop tiers like babies and then gets beaten?......thats PIS you need to know what that is because it seems you don't.
3. Time weakness Yet they created universes and even their babies aka the beyonder has the power to turn back time and etc" that's PIS+CIS
4. Tom > Your words
5. The Hanbook isnt wrong as its stated within the comics as well.
6. You can be all powerful AKA infinite in power and not be omniscient just as Doom correct? Therefore they are omnipotent.

I dont know why are you even trying I have debunked you multiple times here on this subject.

I literally posted the scan of him saying that they have limitations. I'm really starting to wonder if you have actually read the story, or are just regurgitating strength threads.

Marvel doesn't operate on Dragon Ball strength logic. A weaker being can take out a stronger one. Dormammu vs Eternity, for example, or Strange vs practically any of his higher tier enemies.

They have a clearly defined, on panel, story-essential weakness in that they cannot manipulate the timestream. You may not like it, being the Beyonder fanboy you are (yes, I recognize you, thanks to that tweet you showed me earlier), but that is what the story is. The story trumps your opinion. The story trumps the handbooks. Citing the handbooks over the comics would be like applying the Daizenshuu over the original manga.

Omniscience isn't the issue. The Beyonders knew what Doom was doing. They tried to stop him. They weren't able to, because of their limitations. The story makes this very clear.

So no, you have debunked nothing. You are using flawed sources to try to overrule the source material. It doesn't work like that.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Doom at first believed that they were all-powerful, and later realized that they weren't, which is why he was able to do what he did. It wasn't PIS, this was a legitimate limitation that Doom utilized to beat them.

Molecule Man was working with Doom, and was there when Doom revealed their weakness. He signed off on Doom's plan.

Hickman wrote that they had limitations. He can do that; it's his story.

Brevoort has no say in this. It's not his story.

The Handbook is either wrong, or utilizing hyperbole.

And you can post that definition all you want. If the Beyonders have limits, they can't be all-powerful. The Beyonders have limits, therefore they are not omnipotent. Every time you post that definition, you are literally proving yourself wrong.

1. Wrong he stated they have infinite power and he is currently Omnipotent correct?
2. Beyodners casually stomped marvel stop tiers like babies and then gets beaten?......thats PIS you need to know what that is because it seems you don't.
3. Time weakness Yet they created universes and even their babies aka the beyonder has the power to turn back time and etc" that's PIS+CIS
4. Tom > Your words
5. The Hanbook isnt wrong as its stated within the comics as well.
6. You can be all powerful AKA infinite in power and not be omniscient just as Doom correct? Therefore they are omnipotent.

I dont know why are you even trying I have debunked you multiple times here on this subject.

I literally posted the scan of him saying that they have limitations. I'm really starting to wonder if you have actually read the story, or are just regurgitating strength threads.

Marvel doesn't operate on Dragon Ball strength logic. A weaker being can take out a stronger one. Dormammu vs Eternity, for example, or Strange vs practically any of his higher tier enemies.

They have a clearly defined, on panel, story-essential weakness in that they cannot manipulate the timestream. You may not like it, being the Beyonder fanboy you are (yes, I recognize you, thanks to that tweet you showed me earlier), but that is what the story is. The story trumps your opinion. The story trumps the handbooks. Citing the handbooks over the comics would be like applying the Daizenshuu over the original manga.

Omniscience isn't the issue. The Beyonders knew what Doom was doing. They tried to stop him. They weren't able to, because of their limitations. The story makes this very clear.

So no, you have debunked nothing. You are using flawed sources to try to overrule the source material. It doesn't work like that.

Limits......yet again PIS since THEIR OWN BABY CAN MANIPULATE TIME holy cow!! Are YOU not reading??
PIS=JUST FOR THE STORY NOT USEABLE IN A DEBATES.

I have read the series it seems you haven't read any of the tie-in because if you cant SEE the plot you are just being in denial.

1. Dormammu caused a EARLY DEATH of Eternity by destroying a PRIME EARTH just like the incursions were doing.
2. DBZ strength logic is inconstant as Goku couldn't tank a laser.

Calls me a fanboy.....yet I have debunked you with facts?.....k

Handbooks>Anything in the story

If they had omniscience they would have won it seems you don't know anything (which I have notice by your replies and your constant "Limits" and the facts you cant tell PIS from legitimate feats.)

I have debunked you.....it seems you don't want to be looked upon as a person who lacks marvel knowledge as I can already see how far you are in the denial.....

Company OVERRULES YOUR OPINION

SOLID PROOF FROM THE HANDBOOKS.

Good day.

[BrolyLSSJ]

So guys by this guys logic

Handbooks/Databooks dont mean any CANON.

And people state he is a WALKING marvel Wikipedia?

Wow.....

Handbooks/Databooks>>>>>>>story

[miguelnuva1]

I'm sad to hsar Living Tribunal is dead. If Doom beat the beyonders thought and they saw him coming thats not omnipotent.

And if Kishimoto stated Goku would lose to videl in a serious question I would tell him he was wrong.

[Kamiccolo9]

Limits......yet again PIS since THEIR OWN BABY CAN MANIPULATE TIME holy cow!! Are YOU not reading??
PIS=JUST FOR THE STORY NOT USEABLE IN A DEBATES.

I have read the series it seems you haven't read any of the tie-in because if you cant SEE the plot you are just being in denial.

1. Dormammu caused a EARLY DEATH of Eternity.
2. DBZ strength logic is inconstant as Goku couldn't tank a laser.

Calls me a fanboy.....yet I have debunked you with facts?.....k

Handbooks>Anything in the story

If they had omniscience they would have won it seems you don't know anything (which I have notice by your replies and your constant "Limits" and the facts you cant tell PIS from legitimate feats.)

I have debunked you.....it seems you don't want to be looked upon as a person who lacks marvel knowledge as I can already see how much you are in denial.....

Company OVERRULES YOUR OPINION

SOLID PROOF FROM THE HANDBOOKS.

Good day.

This wasn't an instance of character stupidity. The writer clearly established that the Beyonders could not do something. You just don't like it.

Now, if want to have a coherent discussion, I would ask that you calm down, and take the time to actually write something legible, with actual sentences. And yes, I called you out on being biased because of your past bias involving the characters. We have it on panel that they cannot do something. If they are unable to do something, then that means they cannot be omnipotent. If you have a problem with that, hit up Jonathan Hickman, and complain about it to him. He's the guy who wrote it.

[Daisetsu]

I've only quickly skimmed the past 2 pages but, what does any of this have to do with Superman vs Goku? Neither one is Marvel.

[Kamiccolo9]

I've only quickly skimmed the past 2 pages but, what does any of this have to do with Superman vs Goku? Neither one is Marvel.

Nothing, really. We've both brought in comparative DB stuff, but you're right. It's off-topic.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Limits......yet again PIS since THEIR OWN BABY CAN MANIPULATE TIME holy cow!! Are YOU not reading??
PIS=JUST FOR THE STORY NOT USEABLE IN A DEBATES.

I have read the series it seems you haven't read any of the tie-in because if you cant SEE the plot you are just being in denial.

1. Dormammu caused a EARLY DEATH of Eternity.
2. DBZ strength logic is inconstant as Goku couldn't tank a laser.

Calls me a fanboy.....yet I have debunked you with facts?.....k

Handbooks>Anything in the story

If they had omniscience they would have won it seems you don't know anything (which I have notice by your replies and your constant "Limits" and the facts you cant tell PIS from legitimate feats.)

I have debunked you.....it seems you don't want to be looked upon as a person who lacks marvel knowledge as I can already see how much you are in denial.....

Company OVERRULES YOUR OPINION

SOLID PROOF FROM THE HANDBOOKS.

Good day.

This wasn't an instance of character stupidity. The writer clearly established that the Beyonders could not do something. You just don't like it.

Now, if want to have a coherent discussion, I would ask that you calm down, and take the time to actually write something legible, with actual sentences. And yes, I called you out on being biased because of your past bias involving the characters. We have it on panel that they cannot do something. If they are unable to do something, then that means they cannot be omnipotent. If you have a problem with that, hit up Jonathan Hickman, and complain about it to him. He's the guy who wrote it.

1. Wrong again!!! If the BEYONDER who is a baby of the BEYONDERS had the POWER to MANIPULATE time and yet his RACE cant this is a clear sign of PLOT and you just dont like it when someone proves you wrong so your point??

2. I can say the same thing for you to type something legible because ALL I'm reading is the same thing people who don't want to admit when a character is on levels they dont want to admit.

3. I'm not even biased nor a fanboy that's your OPINION that isn't based on facts as I have showed you clear proof of marvel even stating the beyonders are ALL-POWERFUL and you deny it OUT of bias.

4. We have it in words that they are Omnipotent.

5. they could have blasted Doom but they didn't why??? PIS=CIS because if Doom would have DIED NO SECRET WARS are you not reading???

6. I have already asked tom so your statement is invalid Tom Breevroot >>>>>>Jonathan Hickman JUST as Tom DECALRED the marvel comic "THE END" non-canon/universe level just like most people agreed upon.

Come back when you aren't based and know your understanding of debating.

[BrolyLSSJ]

I've only quickly skimmed the past 2 pages but, what does any of this have to do with Superman vs Goku? Neither one is Marvel.

No idea I already proved what I stated and he keeps going denying Handbook info directly BY the marvel company then stating they aren't facts yet everyone states otherwise.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Superman clearly wins this
Screwattackd even gave goku a major calculation boost and yet it still wasn't enough for him to win EITHER fights.

[miguelnuva1]

Superman clearly wins this
Screwattackd even gave goku a major calculation boost and yet it still wasn't enough for him to win EITHER fights.

They also haxxed Superman but thats okay.

Also an Omnipotent can do anything, if they can't do something their not omnipotent.

[BrolyLSSJ]

Superman clearly wins this
Screwattackd even gave goku a major calculation boost and yet it still wasn't enough for him to win EITHER fights.

They also haxxed Superman but thats okay.

Also an Omnipotent can do anything, if they can't do something their not omnipotent.

That's TRUE OMNIPOTENCE not the contexts of INFINITE POWER that's why I linked it to Omnipotentiel just as doom is Omnipotent but not OMNISCIENT.

[miguelnuva1]

Superman clearly wins this
Screwattackd even gave goku a major calculation boost and yet it still wasn't enough for him to win EITHER fights.

They also haxxed Superman but thats okay.

Also an Omnipotent can do anything, if they can't do something their not omnipotent.

That's TRUE OMNIPOTENCE not the contexts of INFINITE POWER that's why I linked it to Omnipotentiel just as doom is Omnipotent but not OMNISCIENT.

Then the beyonders are really strong nigh omnipotent.

[pacz360]

The beyonders are only nigh omnipotent heck even pre recton beyonder had his powers taken away by doom only characters that are omnipotent is the TOAA and the presence.