Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Hellspawn28]

That was great

I do think Goku vs Saitama will become one of the big "VS" debates.

Saitama is a pretty much a gag character with almost no real feats of his own. Using him is no different than using Arale. Gag feats wise, Saitama always wins because that's the joke of his character. Real feats, he is not going to beat Goku anytime soon. Lord Boros could give someone like Radditz or Nappa a good fight, but Freeza could easily beat him.

[ShaneisMC]

That was great

I do think Goku vs Saitama will become one of the big "VS" debates.

Saitama is a pretty much a gag character with almost no real feats of his own. Using him is no different than using Arale. Gag feats wise, Saitama always wins because that's the joke of his character. Real feats, he is not going to beat Goku anytime soon. Lord Boros could give someone like Radditz or Nappa a good fight, but Freeza could easily beat him.

The guys over at vsbattles currently have Saitama as winning in a fight against Nappa, but a loss against Saiyan Saga Goku. So I'd say thats pretty accurate given whats been shown in the anime thus far.

[Bullza]

That was great

I do think Goku vs Saitama will become one of the big "VS" debates.

Saitama is a pretty much a gag character with almost no real feats of his own. Using him is no different than using Arale. Gag feats wise, Saitama always wins because that's the joke of his character. Real feats, he is not going to beat Goku anytime soon. Lord Boros could give someone like Radditz or Nappa a good fight, but Freeza could easily beat him.

He's not a full on gag character like Arale. There's more to it than him punching someone and them being defeated. In his fight against Boros he hit him with a bunch of "normal" punches and he Boros could continue fighting.

That was when Saitama used a serious punch for the first time. Eventually there will be an opponent strong enough that he'll have to use an angry punch to beat him. He's just vastly above everyone else is all.

So he couldn't just punch Goku and kill him like these other enemies, a serious punch probably wouldn't do anything either.

He definitely isn't as Goku though. Maybe as strong as him when he was on Namek. Boros is supposed to be able to bust Earth with his best attack so he could be comparable to Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga.

[Protege]

And I'm not sure how moving faster than stopped time is more impressive than breaking infinity and having to be stopped before accidentally destroying the multiverse...Nor do I see how that makes Goku the most OP fictional character when as far as we know he still isn't more powerful than Whis and theres still tons of fictional characters in other fictions who can do whatever they want.

I agree but you have to remember back in a day people used to theorize that universe was indeed infinite. In the superman pre crisis comic, the authors wanted to illustrate what would specifically happen if superman actually left the universe!

And since universe expands at the speed of light, all superman did is just flew at FTL speeds. But anyway that feat is LITERALLY nothing new most dbz characters can move easily at FTL speeds at this point!! And Hit literally stopped entire universe for 0.5 seconds to use his time leap ability on goku which goku was able to outreact and outspeed which is like moving at 0.0000-∞ +1 which is physically and realistically impossible, since you would be going back in time, but because of FICTION logic! That Goku feat even makes even the best flash speed feats look like a complete standing statue.

Remember time is motion

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[Kamiccolo9]

It's like GokuRules all over again.

[Protege]

So? It's always possible for new stuff to happen to Goku and Superman in the future. There's never a time where that isn't a " danger". Superman comics come out every month.

But the problem is that their ending made me feel very skeptical if they would even do another Goku vs Superman death battle. They did make many mistakes in their death battle but did they really aknowledged them or learned from their mistakes? Their real argument was that, no matter how strong Goku will become, he could never surpass superman because hes limitless. They assume that Superman could always just fly to a star, power himself up and go back and defeat Goku but when they used the spirit bomb theory, they crudely dismissed it saying that Superman could just kill Goku thousand times before he even manage to power it up. Which you could also say other way around how goku could just blow up superman's star or whatever. Also it was specifically stated that you have to be pure of heart to gather and manipulate spirit bomb energy, not that it wont hurt the person whos pure of heart but rather than give him a chance to deflect it depending on how powerfully charged the spirit bomb is. So once again Screw Attack has screwed it up.

I wanted to believe them that they were actually DBZ fans or did not do this on purpose but there is just too much fallacy and ignorance in their reasoning's for me to accept that. They most likely wanted Superman to win and lacking feats that DBS have shown us is what made them really buy in to the whole Superman beating God Goku. When their both two on complete different levels especially when were talking about Modern 52 Superman, not even Pre Crisis or Prime One Million.

[dario03]

And I'm not sure how moving faster than stopped time is more impressive than breaking infinity and having to be stopped before accidentally destroying the multiverse...Nor do I see how that makes Goku the most OP fictional character when as far as we know he still isn't more powerful than Whis and theres still tons of fictional characters in other fictions who can do whatever they want.

I agree but you have to remember back in a day people used to theorize that universe was indeed infinite. In the superman pre crisis comic, the authors wanted to illustrate what would specifically happen if superman actually left the universe!

And since universe expands at the speed of light, all superman did is just flew at FTL speeds. But anyway that feat is LITERALLY nothing new most dbz characters can move easily at FTL speeds at this point!! And Hit literally stopped entire universe for 0.5 seconds to use his time leap ability on goku which goku was able to outreact and outspeed which is like moving at 0.0000-∞ +1 which is physically and realistically impossible, since you would be going back in time, but because of FICTION logic! That Goku feat even makes even the best flash speed feats look like a complete standing statue.

Remember time is motion

Spoiler:

Based on what?
Pre Crisis Superman used to fly ftl all the time and he only sometimes left the universe. And he says "Supergirl couldn't have traveled this far" which would imply regular travel not dimension hopping so he would of had to have traveled all the way through the universe as well. So if they were going with the universe is infinite theory then he had to have travelled beyond infinity, hence the "Superman bursts the very bonds of infinity" line.
Or if they weren't going with infinite size universe theory then he still would have to be much faster than the speed of light since even if the universe was only expanding at the speed of light (some say faster/slower), the universe has a estimated 13.8 billion year head start on Superman.

[Polyphase Avatron]

[Protege]

Based on what?
Pre Crisis Superman used to fly ftl all the time and he only sometimes left the universe. And he says "Supergirl couldn't have traveled this far" which would imply regular travel not dimension hopping so he would of had to have traveled all the way through the universe as well. So if they were going with the universe is infinite theory then he had to have travelled beyond infinity, hence the "Superman bursts the very bonds of infinity" line.
Or if they weren't going with infinite size universe theory then he still would have to be much faster than the speed of light since even if the universe was only expanding at the speed of light (some say faster/slower), the universe has a estimated 13.8 billion year head start on Superman.

Well what you could say is that universe is not infinite but it constantly expands which gives it infinite potential and for someone to travel at the speed of light you would have to have infinite power and to even go beyond that you would even have to have to even outspeed infinity. So its physically and conceptly impossible but many characters in fiction could move at FTL speeds all the time, but it doesnt nessesary makes their strength infinite. Its just something that authors just leave behind to make the story more interesting. And i guess dbz characters already broken infinity when they left their own universe in that cube to travel to universe 6 tournament. lol

[apex_pretador]

It should be noted that Superman prime and Superman Prime One million though the same person are different.

No, they are NOT the same person.

Superman Prime is the original Superman as is in 1998 (1998 is the "present" at the time of publication). Superman Prime One million is that original Superman after one million DC comic issues (or rather as per the 1 millionth issue). That is 1 million months i.e. 83,333 years into the future getting you into the 853rd century.

SuperMAN prime is an "alternate" version of superman, from a completely different universe - like DBM Kakarotto and goku are completely different.
Superman prime 1 million, as you said, is just current superman in 853rd century.

In other words Superman Prime is like Goku in the Radditz saga and Superman Prime One million is like Goku at the end of GT.

It should be noted that superman prime is very powerful, MUCH, MUCH more powerful as compared to regular superman who turned to golden superman. Superman prime is "superboy prime" actually, sometimes referred to as SMP after getting guardian energies and becoming incredibly powerful. He has nothing to do with gold superman,

Anyway that all powerful Golden Superman you see around is the original Superman (aka Superman Prime), one million months into the future (thus Superman Prime One million). It should also be noted that the story in the One million comics barely involves this Golden Superman at all. It rather involves the present (1998) Superman Prime and the Superman of the 853rd century and (there is a story line where the present Superman Prime time travelled to the future to participate in the celebration of the return of his future self from the sun while the Superman of the 853rd century travels back in time to guard the Earth during his absence).

You are confusing superman with superman prime. SMP is SBP with guardian amp, and is a villain. He is also a completely different charcter from different universe.

But what about those 5th dimensional imp reality warping powers that Superman Prime one million supposedly has?

No, he doesn't. He's not even remotely godlike. Silver age superman will probably beat him.

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[Lord Beerus]

The Goku vs Superman debate can never die, a new power feat in Super will make it rise agaaaaiiiinnn ♪♪

[Tectorman]

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Don't stop! Don't stop! We're in a rut now!

Don't stop! There's no peace to be found.

[Soppa Saia People]

It's like GokuRules all over again.

I was so sad yet so happy when he got banned.

[dario03]

Based on what?
Pre Crisis Superman used to fly ftl all the time and he only sometimes left the universe. And he says "Supergirl couldn't have traveled this far" which would imply regular travel not dimension hopping so he would of had to have traveled all the way through the universe as well. So if they were going with the universe is infinite theory then he had to have travelled beyond infinity, hence the "Superman bursts the very bonds of infinity" line.
Or if they weren't going with infinite size universe theory then he still would have to be much faster than the speed of light since even if the universe was only expanding at the speed of light (some say faster/slower), the universe has a estimated 13.8 billion year head start on Superman.

Well what you could say is that universe is not infinite but it constantly expands which gives it infinite potential and for someone to travel at the speed of light you would have to have infinite power and to even go beyond that you would even have to have to even outspeed infinity. So its physically and conceptly impossible but many characters in fiction could move at FTL speeds all the time, but it doesnt nessesary makes their strength infinite. Its just something that authors just leave behind to make the story more interesting. And i guess dbz characters already broken infinity when they left their own universe in that cube to travel to universe 6 tournament. lol

None of that proves Pre-Crisis Superman was only moving just over light speed to break the bounds of infinity. Like I said he went massively ftl a lot back then, so much so that it wasn't a big deal. So that was clearly a different speed feat. He also did it on his own, without some special technique or vehicle.

It should be noted that Superman prime and Superman Prime One million though the same person are different.

No, they are NOT the same person.

Superman Prime is the original Superman as is in 1998 (1998 is the "present" at the time of publication). Superman Prime One million is that original Superman after one million DC comic issues (or rather as per the 1 millionth issue). That is 1 million months i.e. 83,333 years into the future getting you into the 853rd century.

SuperMAN prime is an "alternate" version of superman, from a completely different universe - like DBM Kakarotto and goku are completely different.
Superman prime 1 million, as you said, is just current superman in 853rd century.

In other words Superman Prime is like Goku in the Radditz saga and Superman Prime One million is like Goku at the end of GT.

It should be noted that superman prime is very powerful, MUCH, MUCH more powerful as compared to regular superman who turned to golden superman. Superman prime is "superboy prime" actually, sometimes referred to as SMP after getting guardian energies and becoming incredibly powerful. He has nothing to do with gold superman,

Anyway that all powerful Golden Superman you see around is the original Superman (aka Superman Prime), one million months into the future (thus Superman Prime One million). It should also be noted that the story in the One million comics barely involves this Golden Superman at all. It rather involves the present (1998) Superman Prime and the Superman of the 853rd century and (there is a story line where the present Superman Prime time travelled to the future to participate in the celebration of the return of his future self from the sun while the Superman of the 853rd century travels back in time to guard the Earth during his absence).

You are confusing superman with superman prime. SMP is SBP with guardian amp, and is a villain. He is also a completely different charcter from different universe.

But what about those 5th dimensional imp reality warping powers that Superman Prime one million supposedly has?

No, he doesn't. He's not even remotely godlike. Silver age superman will probably beat him.

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Isn't it
Superman Prime = Superman in the One Million comics, what others called him in the future, whether pre or after sundipping for thousands of years.

• Superman Prime = What some fans call regular Superman in the One Million comics before he left Earth/Sundipping for a really long time.
  Superman Prime One Million = What fans call Superman Prime after doing that, but he isn't actually called that in the comics.
  Superman = What he actually calls himself in the One Million comics. And the other name fans use when talking about him pre leaving earth.

Superman-Prime = Superboy-Prime who is a alternate reality Clark Kent

So the first set are from the same storylines and universe and are the same person, and the third is different but they are all Clark Kent.

[Kuririn Fan]

Who cares, guys, does it even matter?
Superman is a shit character and he got nothing on Dragon Ball, thats what matters and not some fictional fight...

[Soppa Saia People]

Who cares, guys, does it even matter?
Superman is a shit character and he got nothing on Dragon Ball, thats what matters and not some fictional fight...

I REFUSE to argue about this stupid "fight" (Supes has it in the bag) but Super Man as a character trumps Gokuu. Dragon Ball is a solid franchise but character has never been its strong suit.

[Kuririn Fan]

Who cares, guys, does it even matter?
Superman is a shit character and he got nothing on Dragon Ball, thats what matters and not some fictional fight...

I REFUSE to argue about this stupid "fight" (Supes has it in the bag) but Super Man as a character trumps Gokuu. Dragon Ball is a solid franchise but character has never been its strong suit.

Are you serious? He's boring and OP.

[Soppa Saia People]

Who cares, guys, does it even matter?
Superman is a shit character and he got nothing on Dragon Ball, thats what matters and not some fictional fight...

I REFUSE to argue about this stupid "fight" (Supes has it in the bag) but Super Man as a character trumps Gokuu. Dragon Ball is a solid franchise but character has never been its strong suit.

Are you serious? He's boring and OP.

Maybe in the golden age (bronze age ?) but he's certainly evolved since then. Hell part of Gokuu's character is that he's simple, I mean Super Man is by no means the most complex character, but it's helluva lot more then Gokuu character. And no I'm not saying complexity= better character but Supes has more character then Gokuu.

[Sora Saiyan]

I much prefer Gokus character over Supermans. In fact Goku is probably my favourite character of all time. Yes he can be quite simple, carefree and he acts however the hell he wants, but that's Gokus character, I can't say he has less character than Superman or vice verse as Goku has his own unique traits and the same with superman. They both have their own distinctive morals, and mentalities and would react to the same situation differently at times but that's just because they are both different characters.

[Bullza]

Also it was specifically stated that you have to be pure of heart to gather and manipulate spirit bomb energy

But Cell said that he could do a spirit bomb if he wanted too.