Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Also, is it true Salagir basically ignores the official guidebooks and such in favor of his own fanboy point of view? :/

Yes. He only follows the manga, and takes elements from the anime.

No, he only follows parts of the manga + whatever fan fiction he feels like inserting.

No... Just because there are a few plot holes because of carelessness doesn't mean that he doesn't follow the manga.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Also, is it true Salagir basically ignores the official guidebooks and such in favor of his own fanboy point of view? :/

Yes. He only follows the manga, and takes elements from the anime.

No, he only follows parts of the manga + whatever fan fiction he feels like inserting.

Probably explains the whole "Broli being frozen while a Legendary Super Saiyan" deal. Seriously, all that did was make him look severely overpowered.

Speaking of that, I really hate how he poked fun at people with his "Mary Sue" character. I mean yeah often times you'll find fan characters that are Mary Sues, but that doesn't give Salagir the right to poke fun at them when he's basically at fault for that too.

[rereboy]

Also, is it true Salagir basically ignores the official guidebooks and such in favor of his own fanboy point of view? :/

How dares he to ignore official guidebooks that often give logically questionable information when he is making is own fan manga? The nerve of him...

Speaking of that, I really hate how he poked fun at people with his "Mary Sue" character. I mean yeah often times you'll find fan characters that are Mary Sues, but that doesn't give Salagir the right to poke fun at them when he's basically at fault for that too.

Yeah, who allowed him to have his own sense of humor without being absolutely perfect himself first?

[RandomGuy96]

No... Just because there are a few plot holes because of carelessness doesn't mean that he doesn't follow the manga.

It's not "plot holes because of carelessness". He explicitly inserts his own fan fiction stories into U18's continuity.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Yep. Want an example of him making his own Mary Sue (besides from the literal character)? How about Goku's mother Hanasia, the quote "most powerful Saiyan at the time." Now granted it's a funny thing to poke at now that Gine was officially revealed by Toriyama (and ironic that Gine is the exact OPPOSITE of this version), but still.

[Kaboom]

The occasionally cool fights are why I still passively read it. Things like Cell ripping off his own head to counteract Dabra's spit, or U18 base Vegeta pwnzing his weaker Oozaru self from another universe, and all that... those kinds of things are interesting and fun.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

No... Just because there are a few plot holes because of carelessness doesn't mean that he doesn't follow the manga.

It's not "plot holes because of carelessness". He explicitly inserts his own fan fiction stories into U18's continuity.

That's because he is writing a fan fiction story...

[RandomGuy96]

The occasionally cool fights are why I still passively read it. Things like Cell ripping off his own head to counteract Dabra's spit, or U18 base Vegeta pwnzing his weaker Oozaru self from another universe, and all that... those kinds of things are interesting and fun.

I'm basically in the same boat. It can occasionally do something fun and/or creative, and it takes literally ten seconds to just read the pages that come out once every few days, so the risk vs reward balance is in my favor. I've been past getting genuinely annoyed by the comic's constant BS ever since Dabra lost to future Gohan. If not there, then at least when Salagir's OC casually one-shotted Buu.

That's because he is writing a fan fiction story...

Based on the concept of a multiverse. I'm saying that there actually is no "manga universe" in this story. U18 is Salagir's universe, where his fan fiction is true and numerous things from the manga are changed to allow it.

[rereboy]

Yep. Want an example of him making his own Mary Sue (besides from the literal character)? How about Goku's mother Hanasia, the quote "most powerful Saiyan at the time." Now granted it's a funny thing to poke at now that Gine was officially revealed by Toriyama (and ironic that Gine is the exact OPPOSITE of this version), but still.

And you believe that his satirical Mary Sue is only about pointing fingers at other authors and not about acknowledging that sometimes characters like that appear in fan fiction (perhaps even in Salagir's own work), because...?

I'm saying that there actually is no "manga universe" in this story.

There's a manga universe with its own "filler" instead of the official filler from the anime (and one or two mistakes). A purely manga only universe doesn't exist, no.

[Saiga]

Speaking of that, I really hate how he poked fun at people with his "Mary Sue" character. I mean yeah often times you'll find fan characters that are Mary Sues, but that doesn't give Salagir the right to poke fun at them when he's basically at fault for that too.

Yeah, who allowed him to have his own sense of humor without being absolutely perfect himself first?

No one's asking him to be perfect. But to mock Mary Sues when he's got his own running around is downright hypocritical.

It really doesn't take someone perfect to avoid that.

[rereboy]

No one's asking him to be perfect. But to mock Mary Sues when he's got his own running around is downright hypocritical.

It really doesn't take someone perfect to avoid that.

Read my above post.

You just assume the absolute worst of his intentions.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Based on the concept of a multiverse. I'm saying that there actually is no "manga universe" in this story. U18 is Salagir's universe, where his fan fiction is true and numerous things from the manga are changed to allow it.

The only thing that I recall that he changed was Cold, which is actually an oversight from what I recall, not a change he wanted to make. The is also the Oozaru multiplier, which isn't a real change, but a different interpretation from him (though a little dump). U18 is still the story that happened in the manga, it just has some additional stories in it & fan-theories.

[BlazingBarrrager]

No one's asking him to be perfect. But to mock Mary Sues when he's got his own running around is downright hypocritical.

It really doesn't take someone perfect to avoid that.

Read my above post.

You just assume the absolute worst of his intentions.

Really it's just a waste of a character slot in the story. Could have given the amount of attention that character got (small as that may be) to someone more important like, say, Uub.

[rereboy]

So now the problem is not he is was pointing fingers, its that he wasted time with a joke when he could have used it for something else... I fail to see the problem in "wasting time" with a joke in a DB fan manga. If anything, DB fanmangas need humor more, not less.

[Saiga]

No one's asking him to be perfect. But to mock Mary Sues when he's got his own running around is downright hypocritical.

It really doesn't take someone perfect to avoid that.

Read my above post.

You just assume the absolute worst of his intentions.

And you believe that his satirical Mary Sue is only about pointing fingers at other authors and not about acknowledging that sometimes characters like that appear in fan fiction (perhaps even in Salagir's own work), because...?

Because there's absolutely no reason to think otherwise? There's absolutely no sign that this could be poking fun at Salagir's own work, just mocking Mary Sues.

You say that I assume the worst, but you're always quick to invent defences for Salagir without any basis to them. I'm just going off what I see - he mocks the stereotypical Mary Sue, and absolutely makes no acknowledgement that traits of this appear in his own work.

[Regarder]

Based on the concept of a multiverse. I'm saying that there actually is no "manga universe" in this story. U18 is Salagir's universe, where his fan fiction is true and numerous things from the manga are changed to allow it.

The only thing that I recall that he changed was Cold, which is actually an oversight from what I recall, not a change he wanted to make. The is also the Oozaru multiplier, which isn't a real change, but a different interpretation from him (though a little dump). U18 is still the story that happened in the manga, it just has some additional stories in it & fan-theories.

There's lots of weird Kaioshin changes. I think the dumbest change in the entire thing is the stuff where the Kaioshin spirit was still in Buu, and they personally cancelled Vegetto from beyond the grave because blasphemy. Was that even necessary? What was even the purpose of that?

[RandomGuy96]

The only thing that I recall that he changed was Cold, which is actually an oversight from what I recall, not a change he wanted to make. The is also the Oozaru multiplier, which isn't a real change, but a different interpretation from him (though a little dump). U18 is still the story that happened in the manga, it just has some additional stories in it & fan-theories.

Really? Because if I recall correctly, the Z-gang didn't travel to space to fight Broly in the manga, and them doing so really contradicts what actually happened in those ten days. It also seems rather weird that no one mentioned the supposedly super strong and invulnerable Broly when Kaioshin showed up and talked about Buu and Dabra.

[BlazingBarrrager]

So now the problem is not he is was pointing fingers, its that he wasted time with a joke when he could have used it for something else... I fail to see the problem in "wasting time" with a joke in a DB fan manga. If anything, DB fanmangas need humor more, not less.

The joke with the Mary Sue character was basically both offensive and poorly done. Whether he intended to or not, Salagir basically poked fun at a lot of fan fic writers for creating original characters that end up Mary Sues (either by accident or intentionally) DESPITE the fact he's guilty of this as well. In fact, the character is a double joke in that she was also incredibly weak to the point where she was one shotted by Areia of all people while a great deal of fan characters (especially in the DB universe) are often overpowered. Now this is basically my opinion because, as a hobbyist writer looking to make a career in creative writing, I find this concept alone to be a way for Salagir to say "you suck" to other writers, especially beginners.

[rereboy]

Because there's absolutely no reason to think otherwise? There's absolutely no sign that this could be poking fun at Salagir's own work, just mocking Mary Sues.

There's no sign either way. There's no sign that he is pointing fingers to other specific authors nor is there a sign that he is pointing a finger at himself, all we see is an absolutely exaggerated satirical Mary Sue used for humor.

If you actually think that there's Mary Sue characters in his work, all you should see there is Salagir making fun of parts of himself.

Do you do that? Of course not... It must have been Salagir pointing fingers at everyone else while implying that his work has nothing of the sort while laughing at the other's inferiority... There's absolutely no other possibility.

You say that I assume the worst, but you're always quick to invent defences for Salagir without any basis to them. I'm just going off what I see - he mocks the stereotypical Mary Sue, and absolutely makes no acknowledgement that traits of this appear in his own work.

I'm quick to respond to what I believe are exaggerated and/or illogical criticisms because I believe they are exaggerated and/or illogical. Sorry if it bothers you.

The joke with the Mary Sue character was basically both offensive and poorly done. Whether he intended to or not, Salagir basically poked fun at a lot of fan fic writers for creating original characters that end up Mary Sues (either by accident or intentionally) DESPITE the fact he's guilty of this as well. In fact, the character is a double joke in that she was also incredibly weak to the point where she was one shotted by Areia of all people while a great deal of fan characters (especially in the DB universe) are often overpowered. Now this is basically my opinion because, as a hobbyist writer looking to make a career in creative writing, I find this concept alone to be a way for Salagir to say "you suck" to other writers, especially beginners.

Like I said, you are just assuming his intentions. For all you know, he was just acknowledging that Mary Sues tend to appear in fan fictions, perhaps even in his own work, and he used that idea to have some humor in the tournament.

If there's any message, it could be simply that authors should try to not fall into the trap of letting characters be too much like Mary Sues. Does that mean that he believes that he is completely immune to it? That he is the best author regarding Mary Sue prevention? That no character of his could possibly be a Mary Sue? I fail to see how, unless you just assume that his intentions are the absolute worst. It might not even have been a message at all.

As a hobbyist writer looking to make a career in creative writing, you should appreciate the value of readers who actually consider possibilities and different interpretations of what an author does instead of just assuming the worst about his intentions.

[Rocketman]

The is also the Oozaru multiplier, which isn't a real change, but a different interpretation from him (though a little dump).

Vegeta explicitly says a Saiyan gets 10x stronger as an Oozaru.