Ancient question about Schemmel for oldschool PN veterans

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:56 pm

I kind of feel like this is just digging up old nonsense to giggle and gossip about. Not that I don't have my own feelings on the subject, but it just doesn't really seem to have much to do with Dragon Ball. Nonetheless, I'll quickly indulge.

jjgp1112 wrote:Well, penguintruth was acting like a bit of a dick, throughout, as he made a lot of sideways insults, not to mention the whole thing starting with him saying something along the lines of "It looks like acting isn't the only thing Schemmel is fucking terrible at."

While I don't agree with dropping in the swearing (calling Schemmel's singing 'terrible' is plenty apt enough for me), I think Schemmel could have handled himself a lot better. He seems to have a history for causing controversy by joining in on fandom discussion, but one guy saying "yeah, that Schemmel guy's an awful singer, too" isn't a big deal. "Some nobody on the internet said I was awful, oh noes~!!" isn't a big deal. Playing the "Yeah, well I make monies~!!" card isn't a viable defense, espicially in the small, niche, cheap industry he works in.

mikezilla2 · Post by **mikezilla2** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:29 pm

PN boards?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:43 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Well, penguintruth was acting like a bit of a dick, throughout, as he made a lot of sideways insults, not to mention the whole thing starting with him saying something along the lines of "It looks like acting isn't the only thing Schemmel is fucking terrible at."

I'm glad you're not a translator. ;p

He said "If only they got somebody with actual singing talent to sing it." There was some back and forth, but that was mainly because Schemmel felt the need to jump into the thread and defend his talents by citing (among other things) his salary. So, was PenguinTruth in the right? Well, I think I said all I could in the other thread that Schemmel graced us with his presence on that night.

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:56 pm

You can't really blame him for not speaking out years ago...

Schemmel- "Oh yeah- the Fukunagas and Cocanoughers and Watson? Fuck those guys, bunch of assholes! And fuck these script re-writers, and this director and...."

While the fandom would have salivated about that.... Sean would have been fired. Furthermore, any people from Funi would blacklist him and anyone who might hire him would worry, "boy, that guy sure caused a lot of fucking drama at Funimation. How the hell do I know he's not going to cause drama here? I'm not going to take the risk."

While it would have been nice for Sean to have done a tell-all years ago, I am glad that he is saying it like it is today.

One more thing, in his JAllen interview on oldschool DaizEX, he strongly hinted that not everyone reviewed all the episodes before dubbing their lines but that he did. (something he said to kinda show off his professionalism I guess)

I do miss his old Goku voice, I remember on PN he talked about how he'd toss and turn at night worrying if he sounded like Corlett. Later, Watson did an interview with a Dallas paper saying, "Goku's supposed to be this nerd guy," and Sean quoted him in a PN chat as telling him that, "Goku's voice had to change because he had died two times and had thus reached a state of Nirvana."

saiyanprimalforce · Post by **saiyanprimalforce** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:11 pm

GS7X7 wrote:Later, Watson did an interview with a Dallas paper saying, "Goku's supposed to be this nerd guy," and Sean quoted him in a PN chat as telling him that, "Goku's voice had to change because he had died two times and had thus reached a state of Nirvana."

Really?

Goku? Nerdy? Um. . . .okay, Barry. Boy, he sure understood the characters, didn't he? I think the word Barry was looking for was hickish, naive, childish--not, in fact, nerdy. Must have been a slip up. Must have been.

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:32 pm

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2000-01-2 ... ncident/3/

"Watson and Fukunaga defensively use the word "action" rather than violence, and both contend Dragonball Z is a "moral" show with a nerdy hero who says such things as "That's not playing fair." They insist the frenzied action is an integral part of the show. As Watson puts it, "If you're going to tie the hands of how bad the villains can be, then you tie the hands of the justice that's served when they're vanquished." And they're always vanquished -- or, at least, their nefarious deeds are always thwarted."

BONUS, EX EDITORIAL PRAISED BY PSAROS-

http://web.archive.org/web/200108020831 ... 2000.shtml

Watson and Fukunaga defensively use the word "action" rather than violence, and both contend Dragonball Z is a "moral" show with a nerdy hero who says such things as "That's not playing fair."

I'm sitting here picturing the classic high-school nerd (glasses, bad hair that sticks up, spasms, lisp) saying something along the lines of "That's not playing fair," and throwing him into "DragonBall Z." What I get is a pain in my stomach that results in a near-vomit. I really can't fathom hearing Gokou say something like "That's not playing fair," as a nerd. Gokou's not a nerd, my dear Watson. The innocence he portrays is the innocence we all wish we could obtain. This is far from being "nerd"-y. You're quite obviously interpreting things a tad too.... WRONG. "

Man, this editorial is one of the best things Ex ever wrote!

saiyanprimalforce · Post by **saiyanprimalforce** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:13 am

GS7X7 wrote:http://www.dallasobserver.com/2000-01-2 ... ncident/3/

"Watson and Fukunaga defensively use the word "action" rather than violence, and both contend Dragonball Z is a "moral" show with a nerdy hero who says such things as "That's not playing fair." They insist the frenzied action is an integral part of the show. As Watson puts it, "If you're going to tie the hands of how bad the villains can be, then you tie the hands of the justice that's served when they're vanquished." And they're always vanquished -- or, at least, their nefarious deeds are always thwarted."

BONUS, EX EDITORIAL PRAISED BY PSAROS-

http://web.archive.org/web/200108020831 ... 2000.shtml

Watson and Fukunaga defensively use the word "action" rather than violence, and both contend Dragonball Z is a "moral" show with a nerdy hero who says such things as "That's not playing fair."

I'm sitting here picturing the classic high-school nerd (glasses, bad hair that sticks up, spasms, lisp) saying something along the lines of "That's not playing fair," and throwing him into "DragonBall Z." What I get is a pain in my stomach that results in a near-vomit. I really can't fathom hearing Goku say something like "That's not playing fair," as a nerd. Goku's not a nerd, my dear Watson. The innocence he portrays is the innocence we all wish we could obtain. This is far from being "nerd"-y. You're quite obviously interpreting things a tad too.... WRONG. "

Man, this editorial is one of the best things Ex ever wrote!

I can't tell you how many lawls I got outta reading that single passage. Thank you sir for making my night here. Much appreciated!

It's been so long, you almost forget the kind of garbage these guys were spewing back in the day. I mean, you call a spade a spade. I remember some other article back in the day that had Fukunaga saying that what kids like about it was the energy aspect, and not the more crude aspects that they edited. These guys really were clueless. You know WHY dragonball z blew up when it started airing on cartoon network? It wasn't because Goku was "nerdy", or that it was "action" and not violence. It got popular because it was violent! Kids aren't retarded. Even in the ocean dub era, with all the censorship, and Goku and friends taking trips to the "next dimension", any kid with a brain understood what was really happening. . .and that's what made it so awesome. If you listen to ole Barry and Funkunaga, it sounds like they were trying to peddle the standard American cartoon for kids. The Hero's are goody goody, the villians dastardly. Were these guys even watching the same show? From a kid's perspective, dbz was so new, fresh and exciting. I mean, jesus, the lead hero gets killed in the first 3 episodes! Not to mention the first villians,(Vegeta and Nappa), actually killed most the cast, AND ONLY after Vegeta has taken every ace and trump cards Goku and co can muster, is he *bested* in what becomes something close to a draw. I still remember how utterly AMAZING it was that Vegeta took the Genki Dama head on and survived. Not to mention, in the Namek arc, how Vegeta was sort of becoming more of a third wheel, not completely evil, but really good either.

It's those kind of things that made dragonball z such a phenomenon. Even if you censor the heck out of it, kids still understand what's really happening--and it's simply hypnotizing because compared to all the other toons around, there was(and I'd say heavily today) nothing like it. It always came off as a high-stakes, battle to the death. And no amount of "next dimensions", or blood removal, or kiddie-isms could change that.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:30 am

Here's something fun you can do. Go watch the oldest dub of anything "Dragon Ball" related that you have in your possession, be it DB, DBZ, or DBGT. For me, that would be the box set of the first 13 episodes of "Dragon Ball" featuring the Ocean cast, but the oldest dub you have will do.

After you watch that, go watch the Kai dub.

You will be amazed. I know you don't necessarily need to watch the old dubs to know how much the Kai dub has improved upon the old standards, but seeing it firsthand and back-to-back is really quite astounding. My jaw just dropped at how far we've come. The 90's, and even the early millennium, really were the Dark Ages of dubbing for anything "Dragon Ball" related.

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:31 am

saiyanprimalforce wrote:
GS7X7 wrote:http://www.dallasobserver.com/2000-01-2 ... ncident/3/

"Watson and Fukunaga defensively use the word "action" rather than violence, and both contend Dragonball Z is a "moral" show with a nerdy hero who says such things as "That's not playing fair." They insist the frenzied action is an integral part of the show. As Watson puts it, "If you're going to tie the hands of how bad the villains can be, then you tie the hands of the justice that's served when they're vanquished." And they're always vanquished -- or, at least, their nefarious deeds are always thwarted."

BONUS, EX EDITORIAL PRAISED BY PSAROS-

http://web.archive.org/web/200108020831 ... 2000.shtml

Watson and Fukunaga defensively use the word "action" rather than violence, and both contend Dragonball Z is a "moral" show with a nerdy hero who says such things as "That's not playing fair."

I'm sitting here picturing the classic high-school nerd (glasses, bad hair that sticks up, spasms, lisp) saying something along the lines of "That's not playing fair," and throwing him into "DragonBall Z." What I get is a pain in my stomach that results in a near-vomit. I really can't fathom hearing Goku say something like "That's not playing fair," as a nerd. Goku's not a nerd, my dear Watson. The innocence he portrays is the innocence we all wish we could obtain. This is far from being "nerd"-y. You're quite obviously interpreting things a tad too.... WRONG. "

Man, this editorial is one of the best things Ex ever wrote!
I can't tell you how many lawls I got outta reading that single passage. Thank you sir for making my night here. Much appreciated!

It's been so long, you almost forget the kind of garbage these guys were spewing back in the day. I mean, you call a spade a spade. I remember some other article back in the day that had Fukunaga saying that what kids like about it was the energy aspect, and not the more crude aspects that they edited. These guys really were clueless. You know WHY dragonball z blew up when it started airing on cartoon network? It wasn't because Goku was "nerdy", or that it was "action" and not violence. It got popular because it was violent! Kids aren't retarded. Even in the ocean dub era, with all the censorship, and Goku and friends taking trips to the "next dimension", any kid with a brain understood what was really happening. . .and that's what made it so awesome. If you listen to ole Barry and Funkunaga, it sounds like they were trying to peddle the standard American cartoon for kids. The Hero's are goody goody, the villians dastardly. Were these guys even watching the same show? From a kid's perspective, dbz was so new, fresh and exciting. I mean, jesus, the lead hero gets killed in the first 3 episodes! Not to mention the first villians,(Vegeta and Nappa), actually killed most the cast, AND ONLY after Vegeta has taken every ace and trump cards Goku and co can muster, is he *bested* in what becomes something close to a draw. I still remember how utterly AMAZING it was that Vegeta took the Genki Dama head on and survived. Not to mention, in the Namek arc, how Vegeta was sort of becoming more of a third wheel, not completely evil, but really good either.

It's those kind of things that made dragonball z such a phenomenon. Even if you censor the heck out of it, kids still understand what's really happening--and it's simply hypnotizing because compared to all the other toons around, there was(and I'd say heavily today) nothing like it. It always came off as a high-stakes, battle to the death. And no amount of "next dimensions", or blood removal, or kiddie-isms could change that.

Very well put!

...

Btw, I've recently it'd be really awesome if there was a Funimation wiki dedicated entirely to the entire history and staff of Funimation, as well as their release of DBZ and other hit anime shows. It'd be great to have information like this at the easy, convenient click of a button.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:01 am

Sean actually makes a great point about how just because you do something that is publicly visible, it doesn't necessarily accurately represent you artistically. Every project I've done professionally has been tainted by stuff like that. With DBZ it was, bad MIDI instruments, wall to wall music, inappropriate heavy sounds, etc. With Empires it was overly melodic and heroic music for EVERYTHING....and again reduced quality MIDI. Yeah so Sean didn't like everything that was going on, and I know a lot of the other voice actors had issues with certain things. I've talked to many of them, if not for very long, but yeah they are people with different views...and feelings btw. Most of them wouldn't even look online btw, because the stuff they saw hurt them so badly. I remember back in 1999-2000 I felt like one of the only people who actually had the nerve to read all the hatred that was coming from the then sea of displeased Ocean fans. They were incredibly hard on the voice cast....and us of course, but much harder on the voices.

[edit]BARRY DID NOT WORK AT THE FEED MILL[/edit]
And wow, on Sean's point about "talentless" guys making decisions. I'm sure he's referring to the fact that before they were an "anime" company... Cocanougher and Fukunaga ran a feed store ^^
I remember Bruce saying that anyway. Here's some documentation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen_Fukunaga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funimation_Entertainment
Ok the wiki doesn't mention Watson as part of the feed mill, but that's what I thought I remember Bruce saying so long ago. Would be nice to verify if Watson was part of that or not. I have a hunch he was and that's how he was in on it early on.

and Penguin just likes to hate and slam Funi associated people whenever he can. I remember being self critical on a piece I had done, and he gleefully jumped in and parroted my statement back at me like he had come up with it himself. Completely unnecessary..but yeah FUN!!

penguintruth wrote:
cRookie_Monster wrote:
The first half sounds like something out of "Tom and Jerry". The second half sounds like typical 80's action cartoon music. Jazz band playing darkish riffs with some weak electric guitar thrown in to make it sound "rock". Also has corny vibraslap and other weird sounds to either represent that this is a "kids" show or maybe it's a cultural thing...I dunno. The end result is a strangely quirky sound that a lot of fans have come to associate with DBZ. I made an attempt at redoing the second part in a more modern way...which I was kinda happy with, but in the end never finished it because it lacked personality:

http://morganstudios.com/Attempt1.mp3

Next piece:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-67x4pic8
Wow, your attempt certainly did lack personality. Kikuchi's piece was vibrant and suspenseful. You sucked all the character out of it and stripped it to superficial elements.

Anyway, the piece you linked to wasn't one of the stronger DBZ songs. It kind of blends in with a lot of the other Hinorobu songs and has little distinctiveness to it. The guitar work is good, at least.

What about Piccolo Daimao No Kyoufu?

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:27 am

Really? A... feed store?

I know Fukunaga talked about working as an office manager for an IBM building and that he went to college with one of the Cocanoughers (apparently a rich family) but I guess he left out some details of his past.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:53 am

Hehe yeah, according to the wiki, Funi was started by the money the Cocanoughers got when they sold the feed mill ^^

The reason they got DBZ was because of family connections.

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:07 am

(Early 90's Decatur, Texas feed store)

Gen- "Gee, it sure is boring around here!"

Barry- "I agree! It gets tiresome answering questions about farm animals and dealing with all these rednecks."

Gen- "Dude, if only we could make a ton of money! We could just do hookers and snort coke all day long!"

Barry- "Man, that'd be the life... Maybe we could buy a lottery ticket.... say, don't you have a rich relative? Can't he just give us a bunch of money?"

Gen- "You mean uncle Nagafumi Hori? The producer at TOEI for the Tokusentai type series.... shows similar to Power Rangers? Nah, he's not going to just give us money for free."

Barry- "Goddammit! And it's not like our boss Cocanougher who was kind enough to give us work when we were down on our feet will give us a raise for no reason! What's your uncle going to spend all his money on, geisha hookers and iced cucumbers? He should set us up!"

Gen- "The Japanese don't do stuff free. You know the saying, 'you don't get any food if you don't work.'"

Barry- "Too bad there aren't any Power Rangers-like shows he could just give us to license in America.... then again, how would we have the money to Americanize it if he did?"

Gen- "That's..... that's brilliant! Barry, you're a genius!

Barry- "I am?"

Gen- "Japanese cartoons make an assload of money in Japan an internationally even though they aren't big in the USA! If we got our hands on a juicy one of those we could, like, make a gang of loot!"

Barry- "Tchyeah, but where are we going to get the money to import and dub it? Your uncle's not just going to give it to us as a-"

Gen- "Brilliant! My best buddy in college was some rich dude from Texas! They got more money than they know what to do with! Hopefully they won't have to sell the feeding mill.... well who cares, this place sucks! We'll use his dough as a startup fund and create our own company! .... sadlywe'llhavetosplittheprofitsbutohwell..... And my uncle will help us get their juiciest most profitable property! Not sure what it's called, maybe Money Magical Adventures!"

Barry- "Oh.... I mean.... OH YEAH! I'm a genius, totally my idea, man! You're going to need me and my genius brain to get this to work! ..... Say, uh, do you have any experience with Japanese cartoons?"

Gen- "I used to love watching some anime about a Japanese WW II battleship flying around space acting all badass. I'm like, totally otaku, I know all about 'annie-may' and 'mane-ga'. I'm hip with the J-Pop, yo daddy-o!"

Barry- "Mondo cool man! And your job experience?"

Gen- "I was briefly a floor manager at an IBM building til my whole coke and strippers parties got me fired in disgrace.... I'll just leave out part of the story in meetings at Toei with my uncle and act like I once knew Bill Gates!"

Barry- "Great! So what do we each do?"

Gen- "Since Cocanougher's got the money he'll probably lounge behind the scenes as a hidden power and act lazy and boss us around. Since I have my uncle, I'm 2nd in command and I'll focus on schmoozing my wonderful Japanese people to set us up. Since you don't have money or connections to set this up, I guess I'll pay you to do all the hard work. And remember, no coke and hookers til this starts paying out! We don't want to run out of money again so quickly like last time!"

Barry- "Sigh, wish I had an underling but, sounds fair! Sure beats questions about cow farts smelling too bady from slack-jawed yokels! It sucks that I'm going to have to work so hard! Maybe I can bring in my brother/cousin from house-framing to censor any blood or boobies! Computer-wise we don't have anything better than a Commodore 64 for censoring but, oh well, the cheaper we are the more money we'll have at the end of the day! Now, we just need a good name for our company.... uh, Badass Texas Anime Rangers?"

Gen- "I vote Moneymation cause we're going to make a lot of money! Or Moneymotion because the money will be pouring in in constant motion!"

Barry- "That sounds too greedy! We need something funny and kid-friendly, like Funnymation!"

Gen- "Hmm.... too kiddy! We want at least some teenagers to like this as well even though they'll never like a bigass Japanese kiddy show. Let's call it.... Funimation! And capitalize the letters in FUN because of how much awesome fun working with cartoons will be for us!"

Barry- "Bwahaha! We're going to be rich!"

Gen- "First stop- Japan! Next stop- money! Last stop- coke and hookers!"

And thus, in a lonely feeding store in Decatur, Texas on a hot summer day was born.... FUNimation.

Post by **TripleRach** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:15 am

So does this thread actually have a purpose anymore, or is it just "lol funimation" now?

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:42 am

TripleRach wrote:So does this thread actually have a purpose anymore, or is it just "lol funimation" now?

Don't blame me, it was an ex-Funimation employee that started it!

Michsi · Post by **Michsi** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:04 am

I always got the impression that this drastic censorship had less to do with the kids and more to do with the adults. If they advertised Dragonball Z as what it really was back then, it might have pulled of the air or never put there to begin with.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:00 am

Sorry, was just responding to the comments I had seen from Sean about the founders of Funi. I was guessing people didn't know the history behind that.

(and btw I never worked at Funi, I worked at Faulconer's studio in a different city)

That was a pretty funi transcription GS7X7 ^^

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:44 am

The Dallas Observer article states Watson built houses before joining up with FUNimation, actually.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:01 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The Dallas Observer article states Watson built houses before joining up with FUNimation, actually.

Ah Ok, I'll edit my post. I'd hate to be the source of false rumors.

GS7X7 · Post by **GS7X7** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:44 pm

JulieYBM wrote:The Dallas Observer article states Watson built houses before joining up with FUNimation, actually.

I think they were referring to Byron Watson, Barry Watson's bro/cousin, and not Barry Watson.

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