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I like how the worlds were designed and how they brought some humor back.
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I actually rather enjoyed GT, except for the first 15 or so episodes. By the Baby Saga it definitely improved; my favourite saga of GT actually. As many members have said SSJ4 was definitely something positive aha, as well as Baby Vegeta and Hell Fighter 17. Let's not forget Omega Shenron, definitely one of the most bad-ass characters of the entire DB universe.
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I actually really like GT. It has some good story lines in there, and some funny characters. The only thing I really don't like about it though is that at times I feel as if it gets a little too dark for a Dragon Ball anime, though it may just be me. I do got to say though, get pretty sick of all the criticism it gets. So to all the people that criticize it: you don't have to watch it, or even like it for that matter, but at least acknowledge it as an installment of Dragon Ball, and not a laughing stock.
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Not a major fan of GT. The Grand Tour saga, travel the universe, wasn't my kind of thing and didn't really match with DBZ as a whole. It looked like a total different story. As for the Baby saga, if I had the power to, I would delete it out of existence. A machine, no matter what or how, is to me just unable of being stronger than a magical being. Same goes for Super17. Now the shadow dragons are a really good thing, I wish they dragged that story out more than as short as it was. Loved the concept and returning all the wishes made into the reason the dragon balls went negative. Though it didn't make sense as to how Elder Kai knew about it... >.> Also, SSj4 is a great design, though it didn't seem as strong as SSj3 at times.. It was waaaay to underclassed while it deserved so much more power. And my favorite part is Gogeta SSj4, which should've had so much power that the entire universe should be shaking to be honest, but still looked awesome and all.
I dislike all the powerlevels for everyone in the show. It just didn't make the least of sense to me. As if Majin Buu was stronger than all of the enemies in GT..
So to say "appreciate" the good parts, there is always a downside that kind of makes the goods in GT fade away, sadly..
I dislike all the powerlevels for everyone in the show. It just didn't make the least of sense to me. As if Majin Buu was stronger than all of the enemies in GT..
So to say "appreciate" the good parts, there is always a downside that kind of makes the goods in GT fade away, sadly..
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Well, I'll always love the classic Dragon Ball series as it is in 42 tankoubons I have!!! (I would so much want Kanzenban, but having the same series twice in japanese, which I'm not much skilled in is overkill)
But we didn't knew this in those days when GT aired after Z. We were used to that Japanese series have lots of continuations like Slayers, which we were watching too.
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So Z ended with Uub and Goku flying away and haven't this manga conclusion. As we didn't knew manga at that time, we simply didn't thought the story is over, so we were waiting for the next episode of Z.
And the new opening started and we were like wow!!! Well, Goku shrinking back was a little letdown, but we loved that Space adventure and the Tsufuru-jin stuff was pretty awesome. SSJ4 not that much. We still thought that the blondes are cooler, because Buu saga was awesome beyond any known limits.
Super 17 arc was little boring, but Evil Dragons arc was badass and the ending almost made us crying and then, Goku and Vegeta Jr. 100 years after?? Yes!! New series!! And then it ended with THE END......
So I had GT as direct continuation of Z, but well, even as a kid I didn't liked it that much. Well mainly because of the main party of heroes? Friends and myself hated Pan a lot, she was useless and annoying. Well, after Buu arc with so rudiculous power ups and crucial battle of fate, you get shrinked Goku, Trunks..... and yeah! Goten! Wait, that was so f**ked up letdown for us right at the beginning. Trunks was awesome since he killed off Freeza, but, here he was almost as usefull as Pan in battle, promoted ro role of Super Saiyan Bulma.....
The GT would have been so much better, if there was bringing back the old team ups and using all the warriors, using the Goku over and over, killing of Krillin and bringing Android 18 only as a homewife bitching about blowing herself up. There were lots of things that weren't that cool for me even as a kid.
To this day, I love the Buu arc the most. It was the best arc ever. Those epic fights plus that humour and thinking up strategies, I loved it so much as 11 year old kid!!! GT had great start as a new series. The Baby arc, which I take from beginning of GT until defeat of Baby, was pretty much not that bad of an intro, but from the Super 17 arc it seems like they simply ran out of the steam to push the series further. I think that GT should've ended with Baby arc, like some Gaiden to Z. Really, what is there bigger nemesis to Saiyans than Tsufurus? Remade as bio-mutant? And possesing all the people making enemies from your friends?? Or simply cuting off the Super 17 arc and starting right off with Evil Dragons and made them longer and more adventurous like Space and Baby stuff and more warriors from the Z era tossed in.
PS: but stuff with Piccolo in hell during the Super 17 arc was kinda fun
GT isn't bad, but simply, can't top the Buu arc which ran right before it as it does't have that strong built story....
Maybe if the first half wasn't kinda good and the second half that rushed and without ideas what to do with it.
But we didn't knew this in those days when GT aired after Z. We were used to that Japanese series have lots of continuations like Slayers, which we were watching too.
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So Z ended with Uub and Goku flying away and haven't this manga conclusion. As we didn't knew manga at that time, we simply didn't thought the story is over, so we were waiting for the next episode of Z.
And the new opening started and we were like wow!!! Well, Goku shrinking back was a little letdown, but we loved that Space adventure and the Tsufuru-jin stuff was pretty awesome. SSJ4 not that much. We still thought that the blondes are cooler, because Buu saga was awesome beyond any known limits.
Super 17 arc was little boring, but Evil Dragons arc was badass and the ending almost made us crying and then, Goku and Vegeta Jr. 100 years after?? Yes!! New series!! And then it ended with THE END......
So I had GT as direct continuation of Z, but well, even as a kid I didn't liked it that much. Well mainly because of the main party of heroes? Friends and myself hated Pan a lot, she was useless and annoying. Well, after Buu arc with so rudiculous power ups and crucial battle of fate, you get shrinked Goku, Trunks..... and yeah! Goten! Wait, that was so f**ked up letdown for us right at the beginning. Trunks was awesome since he killed off Freeza, but, here he was almost as usefull as Pan in battle, promoted ro role of Super Saiyan Bulma.....
The GT would have been so much better, if there was bringing back the old team ups and using all the warriors, using the Goku over and over, killing of Krillin and bringing Android 18 only as a homewife bitching about blowing herself up. There were lots of things that weren't that cool for me even as a kid.
To this day, I love the Buu arc the most. It was the best arc ever. Those epic fights plus that humour and thinking up strategies, I loved it so much as 11 year old kid!!! GT had great start as a new series. The Baby arc, which I take from beginning of GT until defeat of Baby, was pretty much not that bad of an intro, but from the Super 17 arc it seems like they simply ran out of the steam to push the series further. I think that GT should've ended with Baby arc, like some Gaiden to Z. Really, what is there bigger nemesis to Saiyans than Tsufurus? Remade as bio-mutant? And possesing all the people making enemies from your friends?? Or simply cuting off the Super 17 arc and starting right off with Evil Dragons and made them longer and more adventurous like Space and Baby stuff and more warriors from the Z era tossed in.
PS: but stuff with Piccolo in hell during the Super 17 arc was kinda fun
GT isn't bad, but simply, can't top the Buu arc which ran right before it as it does't have that strong built story....
Maybe if the first half wasn't kinda good and the second half that rushed and without ideas what to do with it.
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I love GT. My room is filled with SSJ4 statues/figures and wallscrolls. I do agree there were some dull moments in the first couple of episodes, but once Luud and Bebi showed up, shit got real. I found it to actually be pretty interesting storytelling. I like how it was all tied together.
I also appreciate some of the little things the series did. I love the fight with Ledgic simple because there was a night-time backdrop. I feel DBZ's landscapes were pretty limited to open fields in the middle of nowhere. In GT they were fighting in cities and crap.
The music also makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. I know Blue Velvet wasn't an original piece, but I want that song played at my funeral. Also, the music that plays when the black dragon is summoned instead of Shenlong is absolutely bone chilling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zczB9bC ... E&index=25
I also appreciate some of the little things the series did. I love the fight with Ledgic simple because there was a night-time backdrop. I feel DBZ's landscapes were pretty limited to open fields in the middle of nowhere. In GT they were fighting in cities and crap.
The music also makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. I know Blue Velvet wasn't an original piece, but I want that song played at my funeral. Also, the music that plays when the black dragon is summoned instead of Shenlong is absolutely bone chilling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zczB9bC ... E&index=25
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I did like how Bebi took over the Earth. He was the first villain since Piccolo Daimao that conquer the Earth. Most villains just go around killing people and try to destroy it then take over the Earth.
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I liked the general concept of GT. At least, the initial one: Instead of travelling the world for the Dragon Balls (old hat now), they had to transverse the galaxy looking for them. And with a time limit! That was a pretty decent idea.
Some of the other ideas, I didn't like so much. Goku's varying standards of power (if he can go SSJ as a kid, then why can't he just go SSJ3 for every fight and immediately win?), Trunks being kind of a lanky pussy, some of Pan and Giru's behavior, the de-evolution of adventure back into DBZ mode, only worse.
They managed to scrape together a decent ending, at least.
Some of the other ideas, I didn't like so much. Goku's varying standards of power (if he can go SSJ as a kid, then why can't he just go SSJ3 for every fight and immediately win?), Trunks being kind of a lanky pussy, some of Pan and Giru's behavior, the de-evolution of adventure back into DBZ mode, only worse.
They managed to scrape together a decent ending, at least.
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Yeah, him being regarded a king was what made him original...... It's funny, how Baby is actually more developed Hachihyakku and the Tsufuru mutants are based on Dr. Raichi.Hellspawn28 wrote:I did like how Bebi took over the Earth. He was the first villain since Piccolo Daimao that conquer the Earth. Most villains just go around killing people and try to destroy it then take over the Earth.
I always liked the idea of Hachi Hyakku and Baby being canon to each other, made by two different scientists.
If they named Myu as Dr. Raichi and did a story that Baby is next level in his revenge cloned from the Tsufuru king (Something like Gero with Cell idea), that would be awesome for me )
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My feelings on GT can be summed up in a more-or-less quote from an old friend of mine - GT is full of great ideas, but overall has horrible execution.
I love the idea of Super Saiyan 4 and the Shadow Dragons, and the characters (at least the ideas of them) of Pan, Uub, and Giru, and even the Baby stuff is pretty interesting at first...but then, every time it comes up with something cool in this series, it ends up dropping the ball as soon as things get going. It's like someone tosses them this GREAT idea but it's still too hot from the oven and an idea version of 'Hot Potato' ensues, and we all lose in the end.
That said, I do still like it enough that I acknowledge it, and overall it's in what I consider the main storyline of the DB universe. Mostly. Usually.
I love the idea of Super Saiyan 4 and the Shadow Dragons, and the characters (at least the ideas of them) of Pan, Uub, and Giru, and even the Baby stuff is pretty interesting at first...but then, every time it comes up with something cool in this series, it ends up dropping the ball as soon as things get going. It's like someone tosses them this GREAT idea but it's still too hot from the oven and an idea version of 'Hot Potato' ensues, and we all lose in the end.
That said, I do still like it enough that I acknowledge it, and overall it's in what I consider the main storyline of the DB universe. Mostly. Usually.
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I don't have any trouble buying that, personally. Buu may be magic, but he's not all powerful, and their are non-magical forces out there in our real universe that are much more powerful than him. Capture those forces in a machine and you'd have a machine more powerful than Buu.elyas11 wrote:A machine, no matter what or how, is to me just unable of being stronger than a magical being.
Still, I sort of get what you're saying.
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It can still be criticized whether you like it or not. DBGT has good qualities yes but there are a lot of very obvious flaws. However since this is an appreciation thread I'm not gonna go over said flaws.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:I actually really like GT. It has some good story lines in there, and some funny characters. The only thing I really don't like about it though is that at times I feel as if it gets a little too dark for a Dragon Ball anime, though it may just be me. I do got to say though, get pretty sick of all the criticism it gets. So to all the people that criticize it: you don't have to watch it, or even like it for that matter, but at least acknowledge it as an installment of Dragon Ball, and not a laughing stock.
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I think Bebi is the only main villain GT that has more developed then anyone else in GT. Super 17 and Super Yi Shin Long feel like that they were just there. They didn't had any development in them and they had no real motivation.MCDaveG wrote:Yeah, him being regarded a king was what made him original...... It's funny, how Baby is actually more developed Hachihyakku and the Tsufuru mutants are based on Dr. Raichi.Hellspawn28 wrote:I did like how Bebi took over the Earth. He was the first villain since Piccolo Daimao that conquer the Earth. Most villains just go around killing people and try to destroy it then take over the Earth.
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That's because #17 were already previously developed in DBZ. Yi Xing Long was obiviously born out of the negative energy the Dragon Balls had built up over the year. He doesn't actually need a development. The only dragon that had significant development is Si Xing Long.Hellspawn28 wrote:I think Bebi is the only main villain GT that has more developed then anyone else in GT. Super 17 and Super Yi Shin Long feel like that they were just there. They didn't had any development in them and they had no real motivation.MCDaveG wrote:Yeah, him being regarded a king was what made him original...... It's funny, how Baby is actually more developed Hachihyakku and the Tsufuru mutants are based on Dr. Raichi.Hellspawn28 wrote:I did like how Bebi took over the Earth. He was the first villain since Piccolo Daimao that conquer the Earth. Most villains just go around killing people and try to destroy it then take over the Earth.
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That's no excuse. #17's development in Z had nothing to do with Super 17, since once #17 and HF17 merged they were a new entity that didn't get any development. The fact that Si Xing Long got development shows that the other dragons, and most importantly Yi Xing Long could have gotten development, but didn't.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
That's because #17 were already previously developed in DBZ. Yi Xing Long was obiviously born out of the negative energy the Dragon Balls had built up over the year. He doesn't actually need a development. The only dragon that had significant development is Si Xing Long.
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What could Yi Xing Long possibly develop? He was evil with the goal of laying ruin into the universe, simply because of negative energy he was born out of the Dragonballs.Saiga wrote:That's no excuse. #17's development in Z had nothing to do with Super 17, since once #17 and HF17 merged they were a new entity that didn't get any development. The fact that Si Xing Long got development shows that the other dragons, and most importantly Yi Xing Long could have gotten development, but didn't.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
That's because #17 were already previously developed in DBZ. Yi Xing Long was obiviously born out of the negative energy the Dragon Balls had built up over the year. He doesn't actually need a development. The only dragon that had significant development is Si Xing Long.
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He was a flat, one-dimensional character. Si Xing Long was also born from the same negative energy but that didn't stop him from having some substance. Heck, even the other dragons at least had some personality quirks.DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
What could Yi Xing Long possibly develop? He was evil with the goal of laying ruin into the universe, simply because of negative energy he was born out of the Dragonballs.
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I might be in the minority but I HATE Bebi.
Sure, his backstory is cool and all but his personality and voice makes me want to destroy things.
Sure, his backstory is cool and all but his personality and voice makes me want to destroy things.
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But that was Yi Xing Long's point. Being the finality of all evil that exists for the sole reason of utter destruction. You don't have to like it.
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A character being flat being "the point" to them is a bad point to make.InfernalVegito wrote:But that was Yi Xing Long's point. Being the finality of all evil that exists for the sole reason of utter destruction. You don't have to like it.
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