ABED wrote:Well if Vegeta says it, it must be true. He says he's the most powerful Saiyan ever, so that must be true.
He was far stronger than the king ever since he was a kid, so yes, it must be true. When Goku surpasses him, he doesn't say that he is still stronger, he only complains that it is him that should be the strongest, untill the end of the series.
Goku is his obsession, and he allowed himself to become a Majin in order to return to his evil ways and gain the power he wanted to fight Goku.
That was Vegeta lying to himself.
I don't see any reason to lie about being more brutal when he transforms.
I would expect Goku to not be in control of his actions if it really affected personality as much as you believe.
Yeah, you really have missed my point. What the manga states & implies, along with the guidebooks & the anime, is that the Super Saiyans become more agressive, not that they lose control of their actions or become evil.
Clearly you don't understand my point. I don't remember everything about the fight, I remember the basic beats, so I know Goku is trying to rescue Pan and doesn't want any harm to come to her. He doesn't fight any more aggressively than he usually does. He doesn't all of the sudden forget himself and beat up the dragon in spite of the harm it may cause her.
Well, I actually watched the fight though. Base Goku couldn't attack the dragon because he was worried about Pan, then he transformed into a SS4, and he could hit the dragon just fine. After that, he was pretending that he couldn't hit him, but that was part of the plan to save Pan.
Fan fiction isn't official, and not part of Toriyama's story, ergo not canon. Do you know what canon is, or is it some floating nebulous concept in your mind that you kind of know what it is? Be honest.
Do you? Canon is a word "to describe whether or not certain elements are accepted as authoritative parts of the fictional universe" (from Wikipedia). Do we have something like that in Dragon Ball? Did anyone from Shueisha, Toei, Bandai Namco, or even Toriyama himself ever said "this happened and this never happened"?
He's not angry, he's concentrating and serious. His teeth aren't even gritting.
I'm not saying that he was pissed off.
Vegeta says that when he transforms, he becomes more brutal. The look that every Super Saiyan has (in any form, except for relaxed SSFP & SSGod), along with Ultimate Gohan, is always an angry looking face, which gets more & more angry whenever they transform. We have the anime showing & stating that Super Saiyan 4 also makes the Saiyan more brutal, and we are also told that a Super Saiyan has a malicious heart (as it was stated & implied in the manga), even if he is pure hearted in base. We have the guidebooks stating that Super Saiyan makes the Saiyans more aggressive (as Vegeta said, and the art implied), they state that Super Saiyan Full Power takes away that trait (as it was implied in the manga), they state that Super Saiyan 2 brings back that trait (as it was implied in the manga through the art), and they state that Super Saiyan 3 gives a more relaxed heart (as it was implied in the manga through the art). So, the fact that the anime & guidebooks acknowledge this, it's enough for me to not ignore Vegeta's statement for any reason, and to not ignore the "face changes" that Goku has when he transforms.
