Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 2:37 pm
Filoni's highly overrated, and he wasn't the one responsible for The Mandalorian, Favreau was. Filoni plays a part, but it's Favreau's show. He is a fan though, but thus far doesn't strike me as someone who gives into fanservice, though this coming season has me fearing he and Filoni will.
"This feels like fanfic" isn't an inherent problem with fans writing it, it's a problem with writers who are not very good.
It does since fanfic is terrible.
The issue there is that they're trying to maintain a canon, which was their first mistake.
Agreed.
What is the difference?
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Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
One big issue with fanfic is they don't get the author's voice. It's difficult for even professional writers, hence the need for a showrunner.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 3:10 pmOne big issue with fanfic is they don't get the author's voice.
But if a fan is allowed to work on an official product, wouldn't that just make it official fanfic ? That's why I think it's not a very easy question to answer, because you don't want a fan who'll just write some fanboy dream of theirs, but you also don't want someone who doesn't know what they're doing due to them not being that familiar with the source material.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 3:10 pmOne big issue with fanfic is they don't get the author's voice.
But if a fan is allowed to work on an official product, wouldn't that just make it official fanfic ? That's why I think it's not a very easy question to answer, because you don't want a fan who'll just write some fanboy dream of theirs, but you also don't want someone who doesn't know what they're doing due to them not being that familiar with the source material.
Most shows that outlast their showrunner usually end up feeling like fanfic.
A good storyteller would be familiar with the material enough to get the characters. That's part of their job.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Letting anyone other than the original author create derivative works will lead to the original author's voice not being present. Dragon Ball fans should have just as much leeway with creating Dragon Ball works as a fan of Jane Austen creating works based on hers.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 3:59 pmA good storyteller would be familiar with the material enough to get the characters. That's part of their job.
Should said storyteller already be a fan (like you and me) or an outsider who just reads the source material once or twice to get what they need to do ? If you have 2 professional storytellers, one fan, and one isn't, who do you go with ? Both have good track records, but one might bring fan bias to the story, while the other may not completely understand the lore.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 3:59 pmA good storyteller would be familiar with the material enough to get the characters. That's part of their job.
Should said storyteller already be a fan (like you and me) or an outsider who just reads the source material once or twice to get what they need to do ? If you have 2 professional storytellers, one fan, and one isn't, who do you go with ? Both have good track records, but one might bring fan bias to the story, while the other may not completely understand the lore.
There are no hard and fast rules.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
You can enjoy it without being a aficionado. Nolan wasn't a huge Batman fan, but he liked the character. He hired people around him who did know their stuff but always put it through the lens of what made sense for the story, not just lore and canon said. It worked great two out of three times.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
Nicholas Meyer wasn't a Star Trek fan, he was a fan of making films and nautical shit, as well as having fun with actors.
Dragon Ball is not simply Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball is a comic, a game, a television series, a film, a figure, a condom: you should hire a person who enjoys their job, has talent, and combines those two things to make a thing.
I don't get your point. You bring up the director of arguably the most beloved ST film and yet you say you have to like what you do.
You don't have to be a die hard fan to enjoy something
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 4:14 pmIt worked great two out of three times.
Come on, The dark knight rises was just as good. Just thinking about it makes me want to re-watch it.
It's not. I like the movie fine, but it's not up Nolan's usual standards. Regardless, the point still stands that him not being a die hard fan worked in the films' favors. Clearly he liked it enough to spend the better part of a decade on the character.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 4:14 pmIt worked great two out of three times.
Come on, The dark knight rises was just as good. Just thinking about it makes me want to re-watch it.
The Bruce stuff is pretty good--frankly, I'd have preferred a 2.5 hour life-spanning film about Bruce and Selina--but the pro-wealthy people nonsense is so cringe.
Anyway... being a fan but not a die hard fan allows the writer to concentrate on the story not the lore and canon that don't matter.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
ABED wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 4:35 pm
Anyway... being a fan but not a die hard fan allows the writer to concentrate on the story not the lore and canon that don't matter.
Well, what the fucc is a 'die hard fan'? Die hard fans throw canon to the wind all the time. The fan that clings to the canon they so covet sounds to be nothing more than a dumbass.
The quality of writing has little to nothing to do with whether or not the writer is a fan of the material.
Episode of Bardock was never even meant to be taken too seriously. It's just a spinoff what-if story for DB Heroes (they do this all the time in those games), yet much of the Western fandom acts like its the official sequel to the 90s Bardock film smh.
