Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

That's what we call fun XD.

I call having fun something that I enjoy doing and take pleasure in doing. My discussion with you was anything but that. It just kept me busy when I didn't have anything better to do.

It seems more appealing to you then reading, video games, television, or a plethora of other things. Personally I had my Wii U with me at the same time as doing this.

Or maybe I am currently not engaged in reading a book or following a show that interests me and at that particular time I wasn't doing anything else or had anything in particular to do. But you know best, right?

People . It's just YOU. Skar is the only good person here who's got somewhat involved in the conversation. He ain't making shitty excuses. He likes the comic for what it is and that's fine. He understands the issues, but unlike you he doesn't give such a dumb production excuse so that it's no big deal to have poor story.

Actually, no, that's just you ignoring my posts where I share my criticisms for DBM and what I find that could be improved as well as what I find good about it. At the time, you even thanked me for sharing it and now, because its convenient for you, now I'm suddenly the "bad guy" who just makes excuses and says everything about DBM is perfect... Please, spare me your inconsistent rhetoric and your concept of "fun" in these ridiculous arguments.

Now, if you are quite done insinuating stuff about people and being somewhat irritating, maybe the topic could get back on track, yes?

[dbzfan7]

That's what we call fun XD.

I call having fun something that I enjoy doing and take pleasure in doing. My discussion with you was anything but that. It just kept me busy when I didn't have anything better to do.

Now, if you are quite done insinuating stuff about people and being somewhat irritating, maybe the topic could get back on track, yes?

Oh please people use that crappy excuse for everything. The literal response is "Dicking around with me is more fun and appealing than finding something on television, meeting with a friend, playing a video game, reading the newspaper, playing with a pet, doing homework, chores, spending time with siblings, or a plethora of the nigh infinite things that could've been done instead." I'm very flattered I'm so much better than the vast amount of other things you could have done. Thank you for that and I'm glad you choose "Air 7" for your time wasting needs .

Irritating to some, putting on a show for others. If anything from the few I talked to we're laughing at this conversation and just how ridiculous the excuses are. Just like how DBM can bring some joy with good, or some terrible things to mock. Just like a bad video game. It's like if something is bad we're supposed to stay clear, when really the awfulness is what brings us back. Only time awful is truly bad is when it's boring.

[rereboy]

I continue to be amazed by your insights into my life and how I spend my time. Maybe you should write a book on psychology and time-consuming habits or whatever. If you are this good regarding someone over the internet, I'm sure you'd make a killing.

[Tzigi]

But in the end they always get a full scenario by Salagir - only it may be influenced by their likes and dislikes. So if an artist wants to draw a fight and not include much info, then yeah, they draw that - and the problem is that sometimes they make them longer then we, readers would like (the fights aren't always described panel-by-panel in the scenario so that the artist can fit them best to his style and sometimes it results in their increased length).

I see. Has there been a time when Salagir told the artist that the fighting was too long or that it didn't meet the storyline he asked for? I imagine it would be hard to ask those artists to redraw the entire chapter for free if they were told it wasn't good enough the first time.

Now that's something I don't know - I have spoken with Salagir about many topics but only for one weekend and we didn't get into such detail. Also (as far as I know) the situation in question happened once - with the infamous "Cell slaughters everybody" special chapter.

Skar is the only good person here who's got somewhat involved in the conversation. He ain't making shitty excuses. He likes the comic for what it is and that's fine. He understands the issues, but unlike you he doesn't give such a dumb production excuse so that it's no big deal to have poor story. STORY is KEY to a good comic. In fact it's THE most important thing that I'd classify it over the artwork. Artwork is important too as appealing pictures draw people in, but DBM has got that down for the most part. You have a point in telling people to stop beating a dead horse repeating the same problem, but it's THE most important problem. Without fixing this all you have is pretty pictures and some fan service. That doesn't make a good comic to me and some other people here.

Just what? I have nowhere stated that DBM has poor story - and neither that it is so because of production schedule. Those things are completely unrelated: the story was created way back before Salagir ever found Gogeta Jr. If you want to know a bit of DBM's history, here it is: in around 2004-2005 Salagir created Supafan - a website that was meant to serve as a gallery for mainly DB-related artwork. The idea was (among other things) to find an artist to collaborate on one of Salagir's two webcomic DB-related ideas: a serious one that would include a multiverse tournament (so the thing we know as DBM) or a cross-over parody (what has become Super Dragon Bros Z by the cartoonist of the first Bojack special - yes, the so hated "psycho" one). A talented artist (Gogeta Jr) has later joined Supafan and started uploading a generic "GT replacement" fanmanga (Dragon Ball, L'aventure continue !). Salagir has contacted him and proposed the two ideas. Gogeta Jr like the serious one better and so DBM was born. So yeah, the story has nothing to do with schedule. It has been planned well before Salagir ever knew he would find somebody to draw it.
Now about the production schedule: what I said was that planning the specials so that they would fit within the main plot is impossible if one wants to follow the schedule - so nothing about their quality. It's impossible to make someone finish their chapter and most cartoonists don't like time constraints (also one has to bear in mind the possiblity of spoilers - so only trusted people get the main story [there were some accidents in the past with DBM leaks]) and they take a very long time to finish their chapters. So keeping the 3-times-a-week schedule (that's enormously important to Salagir) would never be a sure thing - unless Salagir asked several different artists to draw each chapter in hopes that some of them will manage to do it in time.
Do you see the difference now?

As for the story itself: I, for once, love DBM for its story. Art is a nice addition but I love what Salagir has done:
- he has created a coherent universe (I love such things - words cannot describe how I despise Disney for destroying the Expanded Universe of Star Wars for example) trying to fit in as many parts of the franchise as humanely possible - for example I wish I could reprint my volumes of DB manga to include the Brolly remakes
- he has based it upon the manga and not upon the guidebooks - an enormous plus for me - the DB guidebooks always seemed to me poorly supervised and contradictory
- the DBM world has an actual chronology that matters! Not like the official manga and anime were everything just gets assigned random dates and the guidebooks try to make some sense out of it. DBM has history, everything is laid out with dates and so on - don't believe me? Try rereading the first pages of the specials and the whole of u1 and u3 specials.
- the DBM story keeps me wanting to know more and more - there are so many interesting threads to follow (Bardock's visions, XXI, u4 Buu, differences between universes - especially the universe 9) and even more can be found in the "official fanfic"

Super Cold, InvinciBroly, dumbass Babidi, Mary Hanassia, Namek stretch, Potara nonsense, random power up like any other stereotypical fan manga

- Super Cold - I don't quite see the problem. I just reread the relevant part of volume 28 and there's nothing indicating:
a. that Cold is weaker then Freeza
b. that he can't transform (even if he could, he died so suddenly that there was no way to know)
- InvinciBroly - just how much longer are people going to agonize over a character that is long absent from DBM and has perfectly served its purpose: attracting readers. The idea to start the fanmanga in medias res with Vegetto fighting somebody necessitated a strong character - whom would you chose? Vegetto is in the manga the ultimate fighter (so his opponent had to be in some ways powered-up - it couldn't be an OC since that wouldn't attract the readers [both fighters had to be recognizable] and there's nobody in the manga who could oppose him). And, mind you, this form was stated to kill its user very fast - so InvinciBroly was in fact fastdyingBroly and definately not a Creator's Pet (Salagir doesn't like the character [he likes Piccolo most of all] - the "he's cool" quote meant precisely this: "many DB fans think Broly is cool so I will use it to promote DBM")
- dumbass Babidi - with that I agree but I still have to see a convincing way of explaining why the Future universes weren't conquered by Babidi using Fat Buu
- Mary Hanassia - a Mary Sue that appears in the staggering number of 4 (actually 2 - if one discounts her appearances as Raichi's ghost - oh, sorry, she might also be somewhere on the huge page with all the Saiyans as Raichi's ghosts but, ooops, her possible presence isn't even acknowledged in DBM's dialogue) out of 44 DBM's chapters? That seems kind of against the idea of a Mary Sue.
- Namek stretch - and what should that be?
- Potara nonsense - again: there are no rules to the Potara stated in the manga. Guidebooks don't count for DBM. So where's the problem with inventing one's own rules for them?
- random power up like any other stereotypical fan manga - which canon character receives a "random power up"? U18 Pan? It's quie plausible that she has the potential to become SSJ. U18 Vegeta? He is several times stated to have something new up his sleeve - but we still haven't seen this "random power up" of his. Other canon characters had no random power ups (also who receives any real power up? U16 Bra follows in the lamarckian footsteps of Gohan, Trunks and Goten, Gast develops the idea of enormous power-level changes brought about by the Namekian fusion, King Cold simply does what his son has done in the manga. Any other controvertial character that I have forgotten?). Also there are no nonsensical further SSJ levels - earlier you have mentioned among other titles DBEX and DBNA as series with "an actual storyline" so what you're going to say about the inclusion of completely and blatantly foreign to manga canon SSJ5 in those series?

[dbzfan7]

I continue to be amazed by your insights into my life and how I spend my time

I know right. It's like I can see into the very recesses of your soul. By jolly I need to apply as a bloody psychiatrist. I'm a friggin genius. Let it be known this thread be a testament to my impeccable power and ability. Praise me I be the ultimate time waster making peoples lives slightly better with mediocrity. I want a pay for my services. You could say this time was basically just like reading DBM, drawn out, boring, laughable, and not going to get much better for maybe another year or two.

@Tzigi that comment wasn't even directed at you so I don't get what you're on about.

How many times do I have to say I don't give a fuck about history. It means NOTHING. The FINAL result is all that matters. The FINAL RESULT is mediocre story telling with the only actual attempt at story telling being located in mediocre specials. You don't look at the production of a movie, literature, or video games as an excuse to go easy or let problems with a product slide. The FINAL result is ALL that matters.

Well that's all good for you I suppose if you appreciate that kind of story telling, but it fails on it's own to keep an ongoing plot or give any reason to care about characters as the focus will just leave said characters in the dust til they come back and we remember "Oh yeah they exist." If this had no Dragon Ball characters at all, the story would be a complete bust. The only thing holding that back is Toriyama's characters and variations on them. If DBM starred completely original characters only in the Dragon Ball Universe, it'd have nothing going for it for story.

Seeing how most of this people went over a billion times and I doubt if I state how Cold is stated in guidebooks to be weaker which you seem to want to ignore so DBM get's away with this, Broly being invincible is ridiculous (Coulda used either XXI as a teaser to his powers, or maybe have Zen Boo) , Hanassia having a ridiculous power and being more silly than Gine, the Dragon and Warrior clans fusing left and right (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=25819) which Herms even dismisses, power ups like random SSJ3 cause fuck all, everything ever about the Future Gohan special, and jeez is there a point to going on anymore?

[rereboy]

Yes, go do that, and troll far away.

[dbzfan7]

Yes, go do that, and troll far away.

Still going on I see. Ok we can keep going. So who wants to see a fight with a few punches, then wait a few days for more punches in a fight...exciting. Keeping me on
edge..

And some reviews from others.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/reviews.php? ... Multiverse

[rereboy]

- Super Cold - I don't quite see the problem. I just reread the relevant part of volume 28 and there's nothing indicating:
a. that Cold is weaker then Freeza
b. that he can't transform (even if he could, he died so suddenly that there was no way to know)

I don't agree with this. In context, it doesn't make any sense for Cold to be stronger than Freeza in that point in time and acting like he did in the manga. On this point, DBM's explanation was not satisfactory, imo. They could still have Cold being stronger than Freeza in DBM but not stronger than him at that moment in the manga. A simple explanation, for example, would be that Cold had a debilitating decease that manifested itself only in his true form and that made him step down from the command of his empire as he was no longer the strongest, leaving it to his sons. A decease that his scientists eventually managed to cure prior to DBM.

- InvinciBroly - just how much longer are people going to agonize over a character that is long absent from DBM and has perfectly served its purpose: attracting readers. The idea to start the fanmanga in medias res with Vegetto fighting somebody necessitated a strong character - whom would you chose? Vegetto is in the manga the ultimate fighter (so his opponent had to be in some ways powered-up - it couldn't be an OC since that wouldn't attract the readers [both fighters had to be recognizable] and there's nobody in the manga who could oppose him). And, mind you, this form was stated to kill its user very fast - so InvinciBroly was in fact fastdyingBroly and definately not a Creator's Pet (Salagir doesn't like the character [he likes Piccolo most of all] - the "he's cool" quote meant precisely this: "many DB fans think Broly is cool so I will use it to promote DBM")

Broly could still have been done better, imo.

They could just have explained that while in the LSSJ state he constantly emanates Ki from his body which acts as protection and also that the LSSJ state makes his body go into overdrive, making him into a berserker, which coupled with the added protection, makes him shrug off lesser attacks and only big attacks will actually be effective.

As for having him be that strong, instead of the constantly growing stronger, they could have just made Broly's father abuse Broly even further, making him undergo thousands of zenkais on purpose during decades, so that no one could ever stand up to them. That way, Broly's madness would be even more justified and they could even have a deeply scarred Broly in the tournament, which would tweak his design a bit (obviously that Broly would have eventually broken free from his father, killed him, and destroyed most of his universe).

Imo, this would be more interesting.

[dbzfan7]

- Super Cold - I don't quite see the problem. I just reread the relevant part of volume 28 and there's nothing indicating:
a. that Cold is weaker then Freeza
b. that he can't transform (even if he could, he died so suddenly that there was no way to know)

I don't agree with this. In context, it doesn't make any sense for Cold to be stronger than Freeza in that point in time and acting like he did in the manga. On this point, DBM's explanation was not satisfactory, imo. They could still have Cold being stronger than Freeza in DBM but not stronger than him at that moment in the manga.

Now this I agree with.

Also

Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P13.3-4
Cold: “The Earthlings don’t matter, but the Super Saiyan alone we absolutely must exterminate, by any means. The one who holds the greatest power in the universe must without a doubt be our clan”
Freeza: “We can definitely defeat him if we go at him together, Papa. And I’ve powered up too, so I think I can probably go alone.”

Seems to me Freeza is saying they can win if they team up and that he himself might be able to win on his own. If Cold could win on his own Freeza would say "I'm sure you could beat the saiyan by yourself, but I've powered up since last time. I think I can handle him myself.

[rereboy]

Now this I agree with.

Right... So, now I'm not making shitty excuses? What I posted was just something that I've already posted in this topic several times and that I even mentioned to you a few pages back and that's not all of my criticisms. So, forgive me if I point out the irony and inconsistent of your attitude.

[dbzfan7]

Now this I agree with.

Right... Now I'm not making shitty excuses? What I posted was just something that I've already posted in this topic several times and that I even mentioned to you a few pages back and that's not all of my criticisms. So, forgive me if I point out the irony and inconsistent of your attitude.

Wow ok I've agreed with some of your points before this, but ok . I even fish up a quote to support the claim here and I get "Oh gee this guy and his attitude XP." But hey you still up for playing since I'm apparently such a troll now? Gonna feed me some more since that's apparently what I am?

Fuck me for agreeing with a point of yours here. Fuck me indeed.

[rereboy]

You agree with some of what I say, you thank me for sharing my thoughts, and then state that I basically only make shitty excuses and don't understand the issues and so on. And then you are a victim when I point out the irony and inconsistency of your posts. Right, indeed.

[dbzfan7]

You agree with some of what I say, you thank me for sharing my thoughts, and then state that I basically only make shitty excuses and so on. And then you are a victim when I point out the irony and inconsistency of your posts. Right, indeed.

Yeah. You're a whirl pool. You make good points and sound like a normal connoisseur, and then suddenly the name DBM comes up and anything applied to other fan mangas or products is dropped against it because they have production problems. I should tell that to the people I work with on comics. If your story sucks or has an issue, just talk about your life problems and suddenly it's all ok. If you're pacing blows, just talk about school or family and make all those problems melt away.

It's like if I said. Ride to Hell has such shitty controls, but since there were issues with programmers and their schedules, it's not their fault so you shouldn't criticize the final product for that. You have convinced me to tell clients this ingenious method of making good comics. Fuck quality, just mention how hard it is and how it's seemingly impossible to fix, then you can't be held accountable for screwing up the most important part of an ongoing comic.

[rereboy]

Yeah. You're a whirl pool. You make good points and sound like a normal connoisseur, and then suddenly the name DBM comes up and anything applied to other fan mangas or products is dropped against it because they have production problems. I should tell that to the people I work with on comics. If your story sucks or has an issue, just talk about your life problems and suddenly it's all ok. If you're pacing blows, just talk about school or family and make all those problems melt away.

So, in short, me saying that fans should have lesser standards of demands of fanmangas compared to professional works and that there's no point in repeating the same complains and criticisms (aka bashing), is equal to me saying that the DBM has no problems and is perfect.

Yeah, that's totally the same thing and totally what I said... I didn't even state that the biggest problem in DBM is not having much more character interactions and further development, which are precisely the things that are cut short due to the production issues, or anything...

You continue to be inconsistent and you continue to ignore whatever is convenient for you to ignore in your flawed rhetoric.

[Skar]

People . It's just YOU. Skar is the only good person here who's got somewhat involved in the conversation. He ain't making shitty excuses. He likes the comic for what it is and that's fine. He understands the issues, but unlike you he doesn't give such a dumb production excuse so that it's no big deal to have poor story. STORY is KEY to a good comic. In fact it's THE most important thing that I'd classify it over the artwork. Artwork is important too as appealing pictures draw people in, but DBM has got that down for the most part. You have a point in telling people to stop beating a dead horse repeating the same problem, but it's THE most important problem. Without fixing this all you have is pretty pictures and some fan service. That doesn't make a good comic to me and some other people here.

Well to be fair I think we both have the same message in our comments. The production issues don't make the comic any less bad but the fans should at least know that the author can't fix it so they won't achieve anything by complaining every page. I said "fans" because if they hate the comic then then maybe they should consider use the time they waste reading this comic on something they do enjoy doing. If some people get a kick out of complaining or have nothing better to do than that then more power to them. When I was a young teen I used to troll on Neopets and various sites because I had nothing better to do. It was childish, stupid, and annoyed the people who enjoyed the website so I stopped. I'm 24 now so I'm getting too old for this shit.

I see that then see Super Cold, InvinciBroly, dumbass Babidi, Mary Hanassia, Namek stretch, Potara nonsense, random power up like any other stereotypical fan manga, and several others I'm sure Random has pointed out but I forget.

I didn't see this part of your comment before but I agree with most of these. I didn't like how King Cold was that much stronger than Frieza when everything in the manga implied he was weaker and that Hanassia was even more powerful than King Vegeta. I'm glad these were minor characters so I could at least ignore them.

-I didn't like the Future Majin special since they could've just said Babidi landed, couldn't find any worthwhile energy, and decided to leave. If they really wanted to include one I think it would've made more sense to have it take place after Trunks comes back from the future. Trunks trains to reach FPSSJ and that energy is sensed by Babidi from whatever planet he was on. Babidi decides to check it out. Trunks easily kills Pui Pui and Yakon then uses his FPSSJ/USSJ combo to kill Dabura.

-I guess I'm one of the few people who liked Broly. He was already explained to be a fanon version of Broly and not the original guy from the movie. His only purpose was to give Vegetto a good fight and get sent home...five years ago. Every mutated OC Saiyan I've seen was without a doubt heavily influenced by Broly so I rather see the original appear than a copy.

-I didn't see the Potara restriction as necessary. I doubt anyone would steal and use the Potara earrings knowing its permanent. I didn't see it as a big deal either since it didn't contradict anything that I'm aware of and had no impact on the story.

-What do you mean by Namek stretch? I saw the link you posted but I don't remember anything in the manga stating that only warrior Nameks can fuse. I may have missed where it was pointed out in that thread though.

-I don't know about the random power-ups. I'm glad the Saiyans were only limited to SSJ3 and not given a fanon SSJ4, 5, 6, etc. I felt SSJ3 was a self-parody in the manga and purposely made to look so ridiculous that you wouldn't expect another form after it. I guess that was somewhat true since SSJ God was more a side-transformation than the ascension of SSJ3.

[dbzfan7]

People . It's just YOU. Skar is the only good person here who's got somewhat involved in the conversation. He ain't making shitty excuses. He likes the comic for what it is and that's fine. He understands the issues, but unlike you he doesn't give such a dumb production excuse so that it's no big deal to have poor story. STORY is KEY to a good comic. In fact it's THE most important thing that I'd classify it over the artwork. Artwork is important too as appealing pictures draw people in, but DBM has got that down for the most part. You have a point in telling people to stop beating a dead horse repeating the same problem, but it's THE most important problem. Without fixing this all you have is pretty pictures and some fan service. That doesn't make a good comic to me and some other people here.

Well to be fair I think we both have the same message in our comments. The production issues don't make the comic any less bad but the fans should at least know that the author can't fix it so they won't achieve anything by complaining every page. I said "fans" because if they hate the comic then then maybe they should consider use the time they waste reading this comic on something they do enjoy doing. If some people get a kick out of complaining or have nothing better to do than that then more power to them. When I was a young teen I used to troll on Neopets and various sites because I had nothing better to do. It was childish, stupid, and annoyed the people who enjoyed the website so I stopped. I'm 24 now so I'm getting too old for this shit.

I see that then see Super Cold, InvinciBroly, dumbass Babidi, Mary Hanassia, Namek stretch, Potara nonsense, random power up like any other stereotypical fan manga, and several others I'm sure Random has pointed out but I forget.

I didn't see this part of your comment before but I agree with most of these. I didn't like how King Cold was that much stronger than Freeza when everything in the manga implied he was weaker and that Hanassia was even more powerful than King Vegeta. I'm glad these were minor characters so I could at least ignore them.

-I didn't like the Future Majin special since they could've just said Babidi landed, couldn't find any worthwhile energy, and decided to leave. If they really wanted to include one I think it would've made more sense to have it take place after Trunks comes back from the future. Trunks trains to reach FPSSJ and that energy is sensed by Babidi from whatever planet he was on. Babidi decides to check it out. Trunks easily kills Pui Pui and Yakon then uses his FPSSJ/USSJ combo to kill Dabura.

-I guess I'm one of the few people who liked Broly. He was already explained to be a fanon version of Broly and not the original guy from the movie. His only purpose was to give Vegetto a good fight and get sent home...five years ago. Every mutated OC Saiyan I've seen was without a doubt heavily influenced by Broly so I rather see the original appear than a copy.

-I didn't see the Potara restriction as necessary. I doubt anyone would steal and use the Potara earrings knowing its permanent. I didn't see it as a big deal either since it didn't contradict anything that I'm aware of and had no impact on the story.

-What do you mean by Namek stretch? I saw the link you posted but I don't remember anything in the manga stating that only warrior Nameks can fuse. I may have missed where it was pointed out in that thread though.

-I don't know about the random power-ups. I'm glad the Saiyans were only limited to SSJ3 and not given a fanon SSJ4, 5, 6, etc. I felt SSJ3 was a self-parody in the manga and purposely made to look so ridiculous that you wouldn't expect another form after it. I guess that was somewhat true since SSJ God was more a side-transformation than the ascension of SSJ3.

Fans knowing about the production helps understand why things are like they are, but it also does not excuse how the final product came out. But honestly beyond sympathy to the producers, the only true leeway they get is "It's fan work." That's it. If anything fan demand is what pushes creators to do better. When fans are lenient, you can possibly get something not so good be produced since no one is pushed to do better. We push and push because DBM has a chance to do better, but unfortunately scheduling is more important than quality. They can't keep people waiting for some reason even though waiting for something good is better than a consistent schedule.

Well to be honest I'm willing to take the advice to drop everything so guys like you can enjoy things again. At this point I'm kinda getting bored myself discussing and circle jerking. Honestly at this point the rest of these issues should be discussed I guess on skype maybe so the thread can go back on track.

[Skar]

Fans knowing about the production helps understand why things are like they are, but it also does not excuse how the final product came out. But honestly beyond sympathy to the producers, the only true leeway they get is "It's fan work." That's it. If anything fan demand is what pushes creators to do better. When fans are lenient, you can possibly get something not so good be produced since no one is pushed to do better. We push and push because DBM has a chance to do better, but unfortunately scheduling is more important than quality. They can't keep people waiting for some reason even though waiting for something good is better than a consistent schedule.

I agree that constructive criticism is useful to the author and allows them to improve their story. The problem is some people just complain and go out of their way to find something to complain about. They don't offer any suggestions on how to improve the story they just whine about it. There are so many people that have no problem with the comic that it wouldn't make sense for the author to go out of their way to satisfy the small percentage of people who have never said anything good about it. A person has to at least show that they're a fan of the story before the author could even take their criticism into consideration. I'm not an author but if someone told me "Everything about your story sucks! The plot, the schedule, the characters, everything!" then my response would probably be "I'm sorry you hate everything about it. I can't rewrite the story now so I guess my recommendation is to maybe read something else?". If someone said "I enjoy these parts of your story but I think you can improve on the following..." then that's something I would consider since I know he likes the story for the most part and just addressing some flaws that he hopes I could work on.

[dbzfan7]

Fans knowing about the production helps understand why things are like they are, but it also does not excuse how the final product came out. But honestly beyond sympathy to the producers, the only true leeway they get is "It's fan work." That's it. If anything fan demand is what pushes creators to do better. When fans are lenient, you can possibly get something not so good be produced since no one is pushed to do better. We push and push because DBM has a chance to do better, but unfortunately scheduling is more important than quality. They can't keep people waiting for some reason even though waiting for something good is better than a consistent schedule.

I agree that constructive criticism is useful to the author and allows them to improve their story. The problem is some people just complain and go out of their way to find something to complain about. They don't offer any suggestions on how to improve the story they just whine about it. There are so many people that have no problem with the comic that it wouldn't make sense for the author to go out of their way to satisfy the small percentage of people who have never said anything good about it. A person has to at least show that they're a fan of the story before the author could even take their criticism into consideration. I'm not an author but if someone told me "Everything about your story sucks! The plot, the schedule, the characters, everything!" then my response would probably be "I'm sorry you hate everything about it. I can't rewrite the story now so I guess my recommendation is to maybe read something else?". If someone said "I enjoy these parts of your story but I think you can improve on the following..." then that's something I would consider since I know he likes the story for the most part and just addressing some flaws that he hopes I could work on.

Well personally I believe the schedule and pacing are what's causing the problem. These comments wouldn't be repeated if say like Shonen jump, everything was released on one day, then people wait eagerly for the next Shonen Jump (in this case DBM). Instead they go by this schedule which if you want to be a follower, it's best to ignore everything til the whole chapter is out. That's how I'd recommend DBM. Ignore the entire chapter til the whole thing is out. I honestly can't imagine how things would be if Shonen Jump did this type of strategy. I think they could benefit from actually submitting less content, and refining what they have. Why does a schedule need to be set? Do they get ad revenue or something? I mean imagine if Teamfourstar just released tiny pieces of there episodes so they'd have more content. Like say episodes were cut down to 1 minute and spread out over the week.

On subject of Gast

Reproduction
They can lay eggs.
Any member of the Dragon Clan can lay eggs. However, on the current Planet Namek there is a hereditary system, so only the Eldest lays eggs. Normally the number of eggs laid by a single member of the Dragon Clan would be from 10 to 20. In the Eldest's case, he was afraid that their race would go extinct so he laid over a hundred eggs, an exceptional amount.


Growth
Powering up through fusion.
Two Namekians can fuse as long as their types aren't different. This fusion is similar to the merging that comes from using the potara, and once fused the two people cannot return to normal. By deciding who will be the base, this determines who will be in control after fusing. The unique trait is that the fused person's power is absorbed, powering up the person who is the base.

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[Kaboom]

I'm honestly perplexed as to why this fan-comic somehow constantly spawns so many arguments full of back-handed insults. It seems to have already passed before it was brought to my attention, but keep in mind that I'm going to be keeping a much closer eye on this thread for a while.

[Saimaroimaru]

I'm a bit confused.. So is DBM just a guilty pleasure for some of you folks? Or...?

Just waiting for the Buu flashbacks. Super Buu and his various forms are hard to come by doujin wise.