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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:40 pm

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TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Run away to where? He's literally inside his opponent. It's not like Buu couldn't do practically anything to prevent said escape: alter his body structure, create more tiny versions of himself, just overwhelm and absorb him with giant Boo goo, etc.
Run away to outside by blasting a hole through Buu's body.
And yet again the same thing - suggesting a point that has already been explicitly discussed in DBM...
Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:54 pm

Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried.
That doesn't make much sense.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:02 pm

I agree that Goku doesn't stand a chance but I'm pretty sure the power difference is less than that. I mean it is better than the previous example we had of (the H-word) vs SSJ4 Gogeta but I don't think Buugeta is over 80x stronger than SSJ3 Goku :P.
It was a reference to Kaboom's comment while reading the Babidi-Future Gohan special, when Future Gohan was fighting Dabra. That's about as implausible as what Goku is doing here.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:09 pm

Unless... this mini-Buu isn't as strong, proportionately, against miniaturized Goku, as the real Buu would be against normal size Goku.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Skar » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:18 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
I agree that Goku doesn't stand a chance but I'm pretty sure the power difference is less than that. I mean it is better than the previous example we had of (the H-word) vs SSJ4 Gogeta but I don't think Buugeta is over 80x stronger than SSJ3 Goku :P.
It was a reference to Kaboom's comment while reading the Babidi-Future Gohan special, when Future Gohan was fighting Dabra. That's about as implausible as what Goku is doing here.
I don't know I still think that's too big. If Future Gohan is around the same strength as SSJ Goku on Namek and Dabura is around Perfect Cell then wouldn't that be a 10-20x difference? Some fans have it even more than that. How much stronger do you think Super Buu is compared to SSJ3 Goku? Fat Buu was weaker than SSJ3 Goku so much power did he gain by being rearranged and turning into Super Buu? If he's 3x stronger then a more accurate example might be Recoome vs Captain Ginyu assuming Recoome is around 40,000. Either way he doesn't stand a chance but more of a chance than Gohan did against Dabura.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Fionordequester » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:32 pm

You know, I've been thinking about it...and there's still a way Goku could get out of this. What if Kibitoshin shows up, and then uses some Destructo Disk-like attack to split Buu in half? Or use a Special Beam Cannon type attack to punch a hole through him? If he can do that, then Goku might be able to escape through whatever opening is made.

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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:54 am

Fionordequester wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it...and there's still a way Goku could get out of this. What if Kibitoshin shows up, and then uses some Destructo Disk-like attack to split Buu in half? Or use a Special Beam Cannon type attack to punch a hole through him? If he can do that, then Goku might be able to escape through whatever opening is made.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Tzigi » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:23 pm

Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:27 pm

Tzigi wrote:
Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.
And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by BlazingBarrrager » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:25 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Tzigi wrote:
Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.
And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Points for trying though. lol

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Marco Polo » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:57 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Tzigi wrote:
Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.
And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Mar 26, 2015 3:28 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
I agree that Goku doesn't stand a chance but I'm pretty sure the power difference is less than that. I mean it is better than the previous example we had of (the H-word) vs SSJ4 Gogeta but I don't think Buugeta is over 80x stronger than SSJ3 Goku :P.
It was a reference to Kaboom's comment while reading the Babidi-Future Gohan special, when Future Gohan was fighting Dabra. That's about as implausible as what Goku is doing here.
I don't know I still think that's too big. If Future Gohan is around the same strength as SSJ Goku on Namek and Dabura is around Perfect Cell then wouldn't that be a 10-20x difference? Some fans have it even more than that. How much stronger do you think Super Buu is compared to SSJ3 Goku? Fat Buu was weaker than SSJ3 Goku so much power did he gain by being rearranged and turning into Super Buu? If he's 3x stronger then a more accurate example might be Recoome vs Captain Ginyu assuming Recoome is around 40,000. Either way he doesn't stand a chance but more of a chance than Gohan did against Dabura.
The literal numerical difference doesn't matter. x2 stronger and x100 stronger are effectively the same thing when talking about this fight. Buu should move faster than Goku can see, tank all of his attacks, and kill him with one punch.
Unless... this mini-Buu isn't as strong, proportionately, against miniaturized Goku, as the real Buu would be against normal size Goku.
Then this fight is even more pointless.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Puto » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:38 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Tzigi wrote: Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.
And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.
Actually, that attempt was done before the point where this universe diverged.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Tzigi » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:02 pm

Marco Polo wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.
As Puto points out they do try it here.
Let's observe the splitting of universes (and I hope the mods won't be angry for using some discjointed Kanzenban scans - still, I've seen them used here and they don't seem to be frowned upon [as contrasted with using bootleg sources]):
- we start with Vegetto vs. Buu with Gohan as the main absorbed fighter (I dislike using those codenames for different forms of Buu) - universes 4, 16 and 18
- Vegetto gets himself absorbed:
- Vegetto decides to:
a. release the barrier - universes 4 and 18
b. keep the barrier - universe 16
- the adventures in Buu's budy follow suit and either Goku and Vegeta (u4/18) or Vegetto (u16) find all the absorbed people
- Goku (u 4/18) tries to blast a hole in Buu's body
Vegetto (u 16) actually manages to blast a hole in Buu's body
- BTW, I won't be describing u16 further as it's beside the point
- Vegeta thinks of ripping Fat Buu's cocoon out of the surrounding walls (still u4/18):
- in u18 Buu tries to jump and so loses the window of opportunity:
- in u4 Buu takes advantage of the malleability of his body:
So, is everything clear now?

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Post by rereboy » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:50 pm

Marco Polo wrote: Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.
This story happens after the point in the manga where they try it. EDIT: answered before noticing that it had been answered already.

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Post by Skar » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:29 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:The literal numerical difference doesn't matter. x2 stronger and x100 stronger are effectively the same thing when talking about this fight. Buu should move faster than Goku can see, tank all of his attacks, and kill him with one punch.
I don't know if someone asked you what was the difference between Ultimate Gohan and Buutenks would you tell them it was the same difference between Saiyan saga Yamcha and Ginyu? Sure Goku is going to lose but Buu can toy with him without having to hold back too much. At least it would take more effort for Ginyu to hold back against Yamcha than it would for Buugeta to hold back against Goku. I agree that Buugeta should've knocked him out in one page and absorbed him but they went with him holding back for the sake of filler like most specials.

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Post by Vegitofaxx » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:32 am

Tzigi wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.
As Puto points out they do try it here.
Let's observe the splitting of universes (and I hope the mods won't be angry for using some discjointed Kanzenban scans - still, I've seen them used here and they don't seem to be frowned upon [as contrasted with using bootleg sources]):
- we start with Vegetto vs. Buu with Gohan as the main absorbed fighter (I dislike using those codenames for different forms of Buu) - universes 4, 16 and 18
- Vegetto gets himself absorbed:
- Vegetto decides to:
a. release the barrier - universes 4 and 18
b. keep the barrier - universe 16
- the adventures in Buu's budy follow suit and either Goku and Vegeta (u4/18) or Vegetto (u16) find all the absorbed people
- Goku (u 4/18) tries to blast a hole in Buu's body
Vegetto (u 16) actually manages to blast a hole in Buu's body
- BTW, I won't be describing u16 further as it's beside the point
- Vegeta thinks of ripping Fat Buu's cocoon out of the surrounding walls (still u4/18):
- in u18 Buu tries to jump and so loses the window of opportunity:
- in u4 Buu takes advantage of the malleability of his body:
So, is everything clear now?
On an unrelated note, you just reminded me how much i hate the art style around this time.
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