Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.Tzigi wrote:And yet again the same thing - suggesting a point that has already been explicitly discussed in DBM...Marco Polo wrote:Run away to outside by blasting a hole through Buu's body.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Run away to where? He's literally inside his opponent. It's not like Buu couldn't do practically anything to prevent said escape: alter his body structure, create more tiny versions of himself, just overwhelm and absorb him with giant Boo goo, etc.Spoiler:
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That doesn't make much sense.Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried.
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It was a reference to Kaboom's comment while reading the Babidi-Future Gohan special, when Future Gohan was fighting Dabra. That's about as implausible as what Goku is doing here.I agree that Goku doesn't stand a chance but I'm pretty sure the power difference is less than that. I mean it is better than the previous example we had of (the H-word) vs SSJ4 Gogeta but I don't think Buugeta is over 80x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Unless... this mini-Buu isn't as strong, proportionately, against miniaturized Goku, as the real Buu would be against normal size Goku.
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I don't know I still think that's too big. If Future Gohan is around the same strength as SSJ Goku on Namek and Dabura is around Perfect Cell then wouldn't that be a 10-20x difference? Some fans have it even more than that. How much stronger do you think Super Buu is compared to SSJ3 Goku? Fat Buu was weaker than SSJ3 Goku so much power did he gain by being rearranged and turning into Super Buu? If he's 3x stronger then a more accurate example might be Recoome vs Captain Ginyu assuming Recoome is around 40,000. Either way he doesn't stand a chance but more of a chance than Gohan did against Dabura.RandomGuy96 wrote:It was a reference to Kaboom's comment while reading the Babidi-Future Gohan special, when Future Gohan was fighting Dabra. That's about as implausible as what Goku is doing here.I agree that Goku doesn't stand a chance but I'm pretty sure the power difference is less than that. I mean it is better than the previous example we had of (the H-word) vs SSJ4 Gogeta but I don't think Buugeta is over 80x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
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You know, I've been thinking about it...and there's still a way Goku could get out of this. What if Kibitoshin shows up, and then uses some Destructo Disk-like attack to split Buu in half? Or use a Special Beam Cannon type attack to punch a hole through him? If he can do that, then Goku might be able to escape through whatever opening is made.
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On a scale of 1 to 10, negative 2. XDFionordequester wrote:You know, I've been thinking about it...and there's still a way Goku could get out of this. What if Kibitoshin shows up, and then uses some Destructo Disk-like attack to split Buu in half? Or use a Special Beam Cannon type attack to punch a hole through him? If he can do that, then Goku might be able to escape through whatever opening is made.
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Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
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And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.Tzigi wrote:Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
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Points for trying though. lolKamiccolo9 wrote:And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.Tzigi wrote:Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
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Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.Kamiccolo9 wrote:And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.Tzigi wrote:Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.Marco Polo wrote: Discussed, not tried. I read DBM thankyouverymuch.
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The literal numerical difference doesn't matter. x2 stronger and x100 stronger are effectively the same thing when talking about this fight. Buu should move faster than Goku can see, tank all of his attacks, and kill him with one punch.Skar wrote:I don't know I still think that's too big. If Future Gohan is around the same strength as SSJ Goku on Namek and Dabura is around Perfect Cell then wouldn't that be a 10-20x difference? Some fans have it even more than that. How much stronger do you think Super Buu is compared to SSJ3 Goku? Fat Buu was weaker than SSJ3 Goku so much power did he gain by being rearranged and turning into Super Buu? If he's 3x stronger then a more accurate example might be Recoome vs Captain Ginyu assuming Recoome is around 40,000. Either way he doesn't stand a chance but more of a chance than Gohan did against Dabura.RandomGuy96 wrote:It was a reference to Kaboom's comment while reading the Babidi-Future Gohan special, when Future Gohan was fighting Dabra. That's about as implausible as what Goku is doing here.I agree that Goku doesn't stand a chance but I'm pretty sure the power difference is less than that. I mean it is better than the previous example we had of (the H-word) vs SSJ4 Gogeta but I don't think Buugeta is over 80x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Then this fight is even more pointless.Unless... this mini-Buu isn't as strong, proportionately, against miniaturized Goku, as the real Buu would be against normal size Goku.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Actually, that attempt was done before the point where this universe diverged.Marco Polo wrote:Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.Kamiccolo9 wrote:And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.Tzigi wrote: Now that's absurd. If it had been discussed, dismissed and then tried, everybody would be right in accusing DBM of bad writing. The fact that Goku decides to fight and fights is logical. The idea that Goku'd decide to fight and then try to flee is plain stupid.
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As Puto points out they do try it here.Marco Polo wrote:Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.Kamiccolo9 wrote: And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Let's observe the splitting of universes (and I hope the mods won't be angry for using some discjointed Kanzenban scans - still, I've seen them used here and they don't seem to be frowned upon [as contrasted with using bootleg sources]):
- we start with Vegetto vs. Buu with Gohan as the main absorbed fighter (I dislike using those codenames for different forms of Buu) - universes 4, 16 and 18
- Vegetto gets himself absorbed:
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a. release the barrier - universes 4 and 18
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- Goku (u 4/18) tries to blast a hole in Buu's body
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- Vegeta thinks of ripping Fat Buu's cocoon out of the surrounding walls (still u4/18):
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This story happens after the point in the manga where they try it. EDIT: answered before noticing that it had been answered already.Marco Polo wrote: Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.
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I don't know if someone asked you what was the difference between Ultimate Gohan and Buutenks would you tell them it was the same difference between Saiyan saga Yamcha and Ginyu? Sure Goku is going to lose but Buu can toy with him without having to hold back too much. At least it would take more effort for Ginyu to hold back against Yamcha than it would for Buugeta to hold back against Goku. I agree that Buugeta should've knocked him out in one page and absorbed him but they went with him holding back for the sake of filler like most specials.RandomGuy96 wrote:The literal numerical difference doesn't matter. x2 stronger and x100 stronger are effectively the same thing when talking about this fight. Buu should move faster than Goku can see, tank all of his attacks, and kill him with one punch.
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On an unrelated note, you just reminded me how much i hate the art style around this time.Tzigi wrote:As Puto points out they do try it here.Marco Polo wrote:Yeah and they don't try here, which doesn't make sense, unless they happen to have a multiverse-observing technique to know what a different version of them tried to do in another universe.Kamiccolo9 wrote: And they do try to blast a hole in Buu in the manga. It doesn't work.
Let's observe the splitting of universes (and I hope the mods won't be angry for using some discjointed Kanzenban scans - still, I've seen them used here and they don't seem to be frowned upon [as contrasted with using bootleg sources]):
- we start with Vegetto vs. Buu with Gohan as the main absorbed fighter (I dislike using those codenames for different forms of Buu) - universes 4, 16 and 18
- Vegetto gets himself absorbed:- Vegetto decides to:Spoiler:
a. release the barrier - universes 4 and 18b. keep the barrier - universe 16Spoiler:- the adventures in Buu's budy follow suit and either Goku and Vegeta (u4/18) or Vegetto (u16) find all the absorbed peopleSpoiler:
- Goku (u 4/18) tries to blast a hole in Buu's bodyVegetto (u 16) actually manages to blast a hole in Buu's bodySpoiler:- BTW, I won't be describing u16 further as it's beside the pointSpoiler:
- Vegeta thinks of ripping Fat Buu's cocoon out of the surrounding walls (still u4/18):- in u18 Buu tries to jump and so loses the window of opportunity:Spoiler:- in u4 Buu takes advantage of the malleability of his body:Spoiler:So, is everything clear now?Spoiler:
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