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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:25 pm

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Body pieces =/= dead bodies.
Sorry about that. Its just this is just needlessly gory for no reason.
The reason is to show that they are indeed dead. Needlessly gory would be if they were actually in pieces or had plenty of blood and guts all over (like sometimes the original manga had). The page didn't even show their faces.
Except for the fact in the last universe 8 special they were consumed by Freeza's blast, which also destroyed half of namek. We know they are dead (yeah, geezus the original manga was gory) I know its not gory, its just needlessly there.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:30 pm

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Except for the fact in the last universe 8 special they were consumed by Freeza's blast, which also destroyed half of namek. We know they are dead (yeah, geezus the original manga was gory) I know its not gory, its just needlessly there.
It's perfectly possible for a character in a fictional fanmanga to be enveloped by the blinding light of an explosion and survive, let alone not be completely consumed by the explosion. While it's not really necessary to show them dead for the reader to presume that they died, there's also no iron clad rule saying that have to be dead. Heck, indiana Jones survived a nuclear explosion because he had a fridge!

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:34 pm

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Except for the fact in the last universe 8 special they were consumed by Freeza's blast, which also destroyed half of namek. We know they are dead (yeah, geezus the original manga was gory) I know its not gory, its just needlessly there.
It's perfectly possible for a character in a fictional fanmanga to be enveloped by the blinding light of an explosion and survive, let alone not be completely consumed by the explosion. While it's not really necessary to show them dead for the reader to presume that they died, there's also no iron clad rule saying that have to be dead. Heck, indiana Jones survived a nuclear explosion because he had a fridge!
Except for the fact, that they were literally consumed by an explosion, from an angry Freeza, which destroyed half of the planet. I know there's no Iron clad rule, its just that it comes off as needlessly gory, especially considering it shouldn't be as gory as it's showing it to be.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:52 pm

Gog if you think this is needlessly gory you have seen true needlessly gory yet.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:55 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:Gog if you think this is needlessly gory you have seen true needlessly gory yet.
I have seen needlessly gory. I've read Savior Of Demons, produced by Rokketo which includes rape, torture, psychological breakdowns, murder, child abuse, insanity, literal psychopath's, and rape. All of this in a DBZ fanfiction believe it or not.

Also they were engulfed in an explosion, it's not gory, its just that what had happened would not make this scene

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Post by Noah » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:38 pm

Gog wrote:I've read Savior Of Demons, produced by Rokketo which includes rape, torture, psychological breakdowns, murder, child abuse, insanity, literal psychopath's, and rape. All of this in a DBZ fanfiction believe it or not.

Also they were engulfed in an explosion, it's not gory, its just that what had happened would not make this scene
So this is actually a DBZ fanfic? Wow, the author must have misinterpreted the essence of DB, thinking that is supposed to be a series always dark and edgy.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:48 pm

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Gog wrote:I've read Savior Of Demons, produced by Rokketo which includes rape, torture, psychological breakdowns, murder, child abuse, insanity, literal psychopath's, and rape. All of this in a DBZ fanfiction believe it or not.

Also they were engulfed in an explosion, it's not gory, its just that what had happened would not make this scene
So this is actually a DBZ fanfic? Wow, the author must have misinterpreted the essence of DB, thinking that is supposed to be a series always dark and edgy.
Actually it has surprisingly light hearted moments, the characters are true to the show, it shows a realistic Freeza turning good story. The comedy even though rare is actually really good. It's just a darker take on Dragon ball.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:52 pm

Gog wrote:
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Gog wrote:I've read Savior Of Demons, produced by Rokketo which includes rape, torture, psychological breakdowns, murder, child abuse, insanity, literal psychopath's, and rape. All of this in a DBZ fanfiction believe it or not.

Also they were engulfed in an explosion, it's not gory, its just that what had happened would not make this scene
So this is actually a DBZ fanfic? Wow, the author must have misinterpreted the essence of DB, thinking that is supposed to be a series always dark and edgy.
Actually it has surprisingly light hearted moments, the characters are true to the show, it shows a realistic Freeza turning good story. The comedy even though rare is actually really good. It's just a darker take on Dragon ball.

I don't...remember the rape. Everything else I remember...including the creepy one night stand portion...but not the rape.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:54 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
Gog wrote:
Noah wrote:
So this is actually a DBZ fanfic? Wow, the author must have misinterpreted the essence of DB, thinking that is supposed to be a series always dark and edgy.
Actually it has surprisingly light hearted moments, the characters are true to the show, it shows a realistic Freeza turning good story. The comedy even though rare is actually really good. It's just a darker take on Dragon ball.

I don't...remember the rape. Everything else. Also the creepy one night stand portion...but not the rape.
It was in Arcos special. The saiyan's ah.... Well let's just say there's a reason why Freeza doesn't like getting touched. The author even confirmed it

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:54 am

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Except for the fact, that they were literally consumed by an explosion, from an angry Freeza, which destroyed half of the planet
You just saw them being enveloped by the light of the explosion. There's nothing stopping Gohan from getting back up and saying "that was a close one".

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:45 am

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Except for the fact, that they were literally consumed by an explosion, from an angry Freeza, which destroyed half of the planet
You just saw them being enveloped by the light of the explosion. There's nothing stopping Gohan from getting back up and saying "that was a close one".
You mean we just saw Freeza, an enraged Freeza throw down a gigantic ki explosion that evaporated half of Namek. Honestly the fact that Bulma's and Dende's corpse, and a slightly cracked dragon radar. Just makes this scene look stupidly gory.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:08 am

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You mean we just saw Freeza, an enraged Freeza throw down a gigantic ki explosion that evaporated half of Namek.
We saw Vegeta take a Genki Dama to the face and get up. We saw Freeza, with half his body missing and no Ki left, survive Namek exploding in his face. And so on.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:15 am

rereboy wrote:
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You mean we just saw Freeza, an enraged Freeza throw down a gigantic ki explosion that evaporated half of Namek.
We saw Vegeta take a Genki Dama to the face and get up. We saw Freeza, with half his body missing and no Ki left, survive Namek exploding in his face. And so on.
I know, but even Bulma's and Dende's body survived the explosion, heck the dragon ball radar is still in one piece, and the namekian dragon ball's are still there. The scene just breaks down when you look at it

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:49 am

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Yes there is, there's dead body's everywhere which is actually needlessly gory. As they shouldn't be there.
Body pieces =/= dead bodies.
Sorry about that. Its just this is just needlessly gory for no reason.
It's no more "gory" than anything else we've seen in the original manga

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:42 pm

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Body pieces =/= dead bodies.
Sorry about that. Its just this is just needlessly gory for no reason.
It's no more "gory" than anything else we've seen in the original manga
No, I mean this is unrealistically gory, that's what I actually meant, Bulma's, Dende's, the dragon ball's, and the dragon radar shouldn't be there. But they are, so it's unrealistic

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:57 pm

Gog wrote:No, I mean this is unrealistically gory, that's what I actually meant, Bulma's, Dende's, the dragon ball's, and the dragon radar shouldn't be there. But they are, so it's unrealistic
They were attacked with a spiritual/mystical beam thing... and you are arguing how much of the their remains realistically should be there.

The bodies are there to serve as exposition. That's it.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:59 pm

rereboy wrote:
Gog wrote:No, I mean this is unrealistically gory, that's what I actually meant, Bulma's, Dende's, the dragon ball's, and the dragon radar shouldn't be there. But they are, so it's unrealistic
They were attacked with a spiritual/mystical beam thing... and you are talking about how it's not realistic for the bodies to not be vaporized.
Except for the fact that Ki is shown to repeatedly vaporize, kill, cut people to death. This scene literally doesn't make an sense as those four things shouldn't be there. At. All, I'm saying that with the rules of the universe, they should be vaporized.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:12 pm

Gog wrote:Except for the fact that Ki is shown to repeatedly vaporize, kill, cut people to death. This scene literally doesn't make an sense as those four things shouldn't be there. At. All, I'm saying that with the rules of the universe, they should be vaporized.
Why? Do you even know how far from the blast they were? Do you know at what distance from a similar blast does a body becomes vaporized or has remains instead ? Can you determine what's the difference between a weak body like Bulma's and one like Gohan's and if it has any effect in the distance required from the blast to become vaporized?

C'mon, no one knows any of this, it's just guess work. You feel like they should be vaporized because you guess that at that distance it makes sense for that to happen and that's it, but you are talking about it like you did the math, know exactly how everything works and know the answer to those questions and have thus determined, factually, that there should be no bodies and that it's unrealistic for there to be... :|

Furthermore, this whole discussion is basically "missing the forest for the trees". You ignore why the authors wanted the bodies there and instead focus on the guess work of Ki physics and its effects on bodies over an unknown distance.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:23 pm

rereboy wrote: Why? Do you even know how far from the blast they were? Do you know at what distance from a similar blast does a body becomes vaporized or has remains instead ? Can you determine what's the difference between a weak body like Bulma's and one like Gohan's and if it has any effect in the distance required from the blast to become vaporized?
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-859.html We do know the blast encompassed the entire planet. Bulma is as strong as a regular human, the dragon radar is weaker than her. Are you fucking kidding me? Of course it does, the stronger the body the more that It can withstand. Your literally arguing against one of the main rules of dragon ball.
rereboy wrote: C'mon, no one knows any of this, it's just guess work. You feel like they should be vaporized because you guess that at that distance it makes sense for that to happen and that's it, but you are talking about it like you did the math, know exactly how everything works and know the answer to those questions and have thus determined, factually, that there should be no bodies and that it's unrealistic for there to be... :|
We do, we can draw a logical conclusion from what we have seen. I feel like they should be vaporized as the whole entire planet was engulfed in Freeza's blast in the last special. You could make the argument that they were on the other side of the planet, and that side took the brunt of power. But even with all of that, Bulma cannot be there. The planet was shown getting engulfed in Freeza's (enraged) death ball.


rereboy wrote: Furthermore, this whole discussion is basically "missing the forest for the trees". You ignore why the authors wanted the bodies there and instead focus on the guess work of Ki physics and its effects on bodies over an unknown distance.
I do know why Slagir wanted the bodies there. So he can motivate (Black) Goku, and (Zamasu) Nail, to go on a quest of justice to kill the sinner (Trunks), and the (Earth) PTO. Its not that hard to see why there, there.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 4:36 pm

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http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-859.html We do know the blast encompassed the entire planet. Bulma is as strong as a regular human, the dragon radar is weaker than her. Are you fucking kidding me? Of course it does, the stronger the body the more that It can withstand. Your literally arguing against one of the main rules of dragon ball.
Does the light of the blast encompassing the planet tells us that the destructive energy was equal at all points of the blast? Does it tell us if the energy is weaker the further you are from the epicentre or not? Does it tells us the exact amount of energy that reach them? Does it tells us the required amount of energy to vaporize their bodies? Does it tells us the distance from the epicentre to them?

It answers none of that and none of the questions I had already made. It's all guess work.

We do, we can draw a logical conclusion from what we have seen. I feel like they should be vaporized as the whole entire planet was engulfed in Freeza's blast in the last special. You could make the argument that they were on the other side of the planet, and that side took the brunt of power. But even with all of that, Bulma cannot be there. The planet was shown getting engulfed in Freeza's (enraged) death ball.
Aka, "you feel like they should be vaporized because you guess that at that distance it makes sense for that to happen and that's it".
I do know why Slagir wanted the bodies there. So he can motivate (Black) Goku, and (Zamasu) Nail, to go on a quest of justice to kill the sinner (Trunks), and the (Earth) PTO. Its not that hard to see why there, there.
And yet, your focus was not on what the page is trying to transmit.

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