Unpopular DB opinions

[Captain Sauza]

Bojack Unbound is the most boring and unnecessary of the DBZ movies.

[orbweaver]

I hate GT and the character design in it. I don't like the new look. I also barely recognize some of the characters because their look was changed so much (like, they changed Vegeta way too much). I guess this isn't an unpopular opinion, though.

[Rockman X]

I hate GT and the character design in it. I don't like the new look. I also barely recognize some of the characters because their look was changed so much (like, they changed Vegeta way too much). I guess this isn't an unpopular opinion, though.

Hmm i don't think this is an "unpopular opinion" XD

That's debatable tbh. But I see some people saying Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan Buu, which is BS in my opinion

LOL that is bullshit i was only saying that Kid buu was stronger than Super buu when he didn't absorb anyone.

Probably because they're all right, and saying Pure Buu is stronger is flat-out wrong going by the manga/source material (and even the anime, really).

Nowhere in the manga is it stated that Super buu is stronger than Kid buu and no i don't care about that "Goku is afraid of fighting super buu" quote because that's always used grossly out of context.

It's not debatable at all. It's blatantly clear in the manga. Super Buu eats Kid Buu.

What logic are you using exactly? to say that Kid buu is weaker than Super buu you have to first establish that Super saiyan 3 is like 50% weaker than Ultimate gohan.

If gohan can beat Super buu easily and goku cannot beat Kid buu easily then it only logically follows that Kid buu is stronger than Super buu.

[garnetjester]

I like the Bio-Broly movie.

I love seeing Goten and Trunks interact, I love that 18 got some ass kicking to do, I like Kuririn's appearance in the movie and I also like that it's the only villain they don't defeat by fighting but by using their brains, and that it was Goten who saved the day (although it wasn't really that much of an intrincate plan, and it was very anti climatic to have him die because of plain water. Still, poor Goten never gets anything to do, it's annoying.). Its theme songs "Dragon power mugendai" and "Chiisana senshi" are also some of my faves.

[Drayenko]

What logic are you using exactly? to say that Kid buu is weaker than Super buu you have to first establish that Super saiyan 3 is like 50% weaker than Ultimate gohan.

If gohan can beat Super buu easily and goku cannot beat Kid buu easily then it only logically follows that Kid buu is stronger than Super buu.

Goku is SCARED of fighting Super Buu, he doesn't want to fight, we've never seen Goku panicking. And he's confident he can kill Kid Buu. It's pretty clear who is stronger.

[RandomGuy96]

LOL that is bullshit i was only saying that Kid buu was stronger than Super buu when he didn't absorb anyone.

Except it's repeatedly stated that he's not.

Nowhere in the manga is it stated that Super buu is stronger than Kid buu and no i don't care about that "Goku is afraid of fighting super buu" quote because that's always used grossly out of context.

No, it's not. Goku outright states that Super Buu is too strong, and Goku's strength doesn't even begin to compare, and that he'll easily kill him and Vegeta if they try to fight him. Then when he reverts to Kid Buu, he's like "We did it! This way, we can finally manage something!". That's pretty clear and simple.

What logic are you using exactly? to say that Kid buu is weaker than Super buu you have to first establish that Super saiyan 3 is like 50% weaker than Ultimate gohan.

If gohan can beat Super buu easily and goku cannot beat Kid buu easily then it only logically follows that Kid buu is stronger than Super buu.

That doesn't make any sense. Ultimate Gohan is many times stronger than Goku. Simple. SS Gotenks was already stronger than Fat Buu, who was stronger than SS2 Goku.

[penguintruth]

Bojack Unbound is the most boring and unnecessary of the DBZ movies.

Them's fightin' words.

I would henceforth smash a bottle of whiskey onto a wooden bar top, but I couldn't get the damn thing to break right.

[Hades]

Bojack Unbound is the most boring and unnecessary of the DBZ movies.

Them's fightin' words.

I would henceforth smash a bottle of whiskey onto a wooden bar top, but I couldn't get the damn thing to break right.

what a waste of good whiskey.

[Rockman X]

Goku is SCARED of fighting Super Buu.

Bullshit i already told you i don't care about that.. its been taken grossly out of context and besides kid buu kicked Goku's ass anyway so that proves nothing.

Goku outright states that Super Buu is too strong

Dude stop wanking that line.. its like you can't have a kid buu Vs super buu conversation without that line being mentioned like a bazillion times.

It is explicitly stated that The fat buu had kai influence inside him which made super buu weak whereas Kid buu was free from fat buu's influence.
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Goku being afraid of fighting super buu doesn't prove jackshit because he was shrunk to the size of a microorganism and didn't know how weak or strong Super buu was at that time so whenever anyone uses that line to prove anything it only proves the utter disregard of the context.

Then when he reverts to Kid Buu, he's like "We did it! This way, we can finally manage something!". That's pretty clear and simple

yeah "Clear&simple" in a sense that buu wasn't fused with gohan&gotenks anymore so now they could beat Superbuu's sorry ass to oblivion.

That doesn't make any sense. Ultimate Gohan is many times stronger than Goku

how strong exactly?? battle of gods movie proves he isn't much stronger than Goku.

Besides its a no brainier for Goku to bring Gohan to beat kid buu if he was really that strong compared to goku.

[Mystic Buu]

Kid Buu is the most DANGEROUS version of Buu as stated by Old Kai,but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is the strongest.

[TheGmGoken]

Shouldn't this be a thread even though it's been discussed many times?

[Rockman X]

Kid Buu is the most DANGEROUS version of Buu as stated by Old Kai,but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is the strongest.

I never said he is.. Gohan&gotenks absorbed Super buu is the strongest Buu.. but kid buu is undoubtedly stronger than base super buu.

[rereboy]

Kid Buu is the most DANGEROUS version of Buu as stated by Old Kai,but that doesn't necessarily mean that he is the strongest.

I never said he is.. Gohan&gotenks absorbed Super buu is the strongest Buu.. but kid buu is undoubtedly stronger than base super buu.

Goku flat out stated, while inside of Super Buu, that if him and Vegeta faced Super Buu as they were (not fused), they would get killed. Later, when Buu transforms into kid Buu, Goku is confident that he can fight him and that opinion doesn't change even after fighting him. To me, that settles the issue. If you want to discuss it further, create another topic.

[Polyphase Avatron]

All that scan proves is that Kid Buu > Fat Buu, not Super Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Dude stop wanking that line.. its like you can't have a kid buu Vs super buu conversation without that line being mentioned like a bazillion times.

It is explicitly stated that The fat buu had kai influence inside him which made super buu weak whereas Kid buu was free from fat buu's influence.

Those scans you're using are inaccurate and illegal. It's never stated that the Kaioshin weakened Super Buu, and it is indirectly stated that they strengthened him.

Goku being afraid of fighting super buu doesn't prove jackshit because he was shrunk to the size of a microorganism and didn't know how weak or strong Super buu was at that time so whenever anyone uses that line to prove anything it only proves the utter disregard of the context.

Actually, he does know, he said Super was too strong. He knew he wouldn't stay shrunk upon exiting Buu, as he wasn't surprised when he turned to normal size again, and him staying shrunk forever really makes his plan make no sense. Finally, Buu had to tell him that being shrunk dropped his power, which surprises Goku.

yeah "Clear&simple" in a sense that buu wasn't fused with gohan&gotenks anymore so now they could beat Superbuu's sorry ass to oblivion.

Nope. Goku explicitly says that, even without Gohan inside of him, Super Buu is still far too strong. Then when he reverts to Kid Buu, he suddenly isn't too strong.

He also says that it isn't fair to use fusion against Pure Buu because "he isn't merged anymore", yet it is fair to use it against Super Buu, and in fact the only way to stand a chance. Pretty clear.

how strong exactly?? battle of gods movie proves he isn't much stronger than Goku.

Besides its a no brainier for Goku to bring Gohan to beat kid buu if he was really that strong compared to goku.

BOG doesn't prove anything. In the manga, Goku outright said that SS Gotenks would be enough to beat Fat Buu, and that SS Gotenks would be stronger than his own SS3 form. Piccolo, upon sensing SS Gotenks, was confident that he'd beat Fat Buu, so confident that he didn't even tell him to train in the ROSAT until Super Buu formed. He sensed SS2 Vegeta and Goku earlier, and saw Fat Buu stomp one of them, so he should know that at the very least SS Gotenks should be much stronger than them, like Goku said he would be. Yet Gotenks needed two transformations on top of that to fight Super Buu.

Goku actually did recommend bringing Gohan and Gotenks to smash Kid Buu. It was his first instinct after he lost himself, rather than something like "bring back my power". However, Vegeta rejects this, not because it won't work, but because he wants the Earthlings to defend themselves. Goku looks at Vegeta like a madman for wanting to use the Genki-Dama instead of bringing Gohan. And when it comes time to form it, a small fraction of Gohan's ki, his genki, proves to be almost enough to completely dust Pure Buu on its own.

I never said he is.. Gohan&gotenks absorbed Super buu is the strongest Buu.. but kid buu is undoubtedly stronger than base super buu.

No, he isn't. Super Buu being stronger is one of the simplest and most blatant strength relations in the entire manga.

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[Cetra]

I hate canonicity debates and power debates like the above one.

[Rockman X]

Goku flat out stated, while inside of Super Buu, that if him and Vegeta faced Super Buu as they were (not fused), they would get killed..

really? really? have you even read my earlier posts?

[Dbzfan94]

Goku flat out stated, while inside of Super Buu, that if him and Vegeta faced Super Buu as they were (not fused), they would get killed..

really? really? have you even read my earlier posts?

Dude drop it. After Gohan and the others were ripped out, Gohan Buu drops down to base Super Buu. He says "he's a lot weaker, but if we fight him now, we'll die." I don't know how many times it has to be said. Yet he fought Kid Buu pretty well and only held back to let Vegeta have a turn

[Ajay]

(1) Please take your in-universe discussions to the appropriate forum section.

^ Can you please listen to this.

If I wanted to read these aimless debates, I'd be browsing that section of the forum. Thanks.