Unpopular DB opinions

[SSJ3_Zack]

You're allowed to like what you want. But, I find it kinda odd. It's tolerating something that's only kinda better and that is all subjective. The Westwood dub is acted even more terribly than the FUNi Z dub a majority of the time (which is a shame since most of them are solid actors, even if they don't have a grunting problem). Plus, Blue Water actors can't act and they re-write too (they're as guilty of it as FUNimation is). Not seeing the respect the tone of the Japanese thing here (at least why I've heard of their GT dub) that a lot of people bring up for the Blue Water GT dub and the theme is even cheesier than the FUNi dub of the theme or the original Japanese version and not in a good/tolerable way like the latter two. The grunting/acting isn't a problem in Kai. Won't try and defend the FUNi Z dub, it's just as awful if not more. (Again all my opinion so you can ignore it if you choose).

For me the Canadian dub reminds me of the old 80's cartoons like Transformers, He-Man and Thundercats. That's one of the biggest reasons I enjoy it. Personally I also find that the Canadian dub is closer to the feel of the original Japanese version; Not to mention I find most of the voices fit more than the Funimation dub.

I don't know what it is but there's just something that irks me about the Funimation dub for Z. It seems lifeless and takes itself way too seriously (The Faulconer score is one of the biggest factors for that in my opinion).
Funimation's dub tried to make the show edgy when it's anything but that.

Overall though both dubs are bad and the sole reason I even watch DragonBall/Z/GT in English is purely for Nostalgic reasons. Both changed too much. But I do appreciate the Canadian dub for DragonBall Z because it doesn't take itself too seriously.
I will admit though Funimation got it right with Kai but that still pales in comparison to Japanese DragonBall Z.

[El Diabeetus]

I got'cha! Which is fair, I can still enjoy Power Rangers for the same reason you like the Canadian dubs. Yeah, the acting's terrible but is fun. Do agree on the replacement music for FUNi giving it a misleading tone. Though I do like a few tracks here and there like Ginyu Transformation and 'Super' Buu's theme.

[SSJ3_Zack]

I got'cha! Which is fair, I can still enjoy Power Rangers for the same reason you like the Canadian dubs. Yeah, the acting's terrible but is fun. Do agree on the replacement music for FUNi giving it a misleading tone. Though I do like a few tracks here and there like Ginyu Transformation and 'Super' Buu's theme.

Thanks, now I've got to re-watch Power Rangers *Digs out old VHS's* . One thing I will give to Funimation's dub is that they handled some of the more epic parts of the show better (I.E. Cell's demise, the Super Saiya-Jin 3 transformation and the Final Flash).

[Hades]

Gohan would have been a better Majin than Vegeta. Come on, it would have been one hell of a twist where Babidi manipulate's Gohan's resentment towards his father for using him as a living weapon while abandoning him to the horrors of the universe (Namek, Cell) and ignoring him outright for 7 years after the Cell fight. And it would demonstrate that even "pure" characters have made horrible decisions that come back to bite them.

[Kamiccolo9]

Gohan would have been a better Majin than Vegeta. Come on, it would have been one hell of a twist where Babidi manipulate's Gohan's resentment towards his father for using him as a living weapon while abandoning him to the horrors of the universe (Namek, Cell) and ignoring him outright for 7 years after the Cell fight. And it would demonstrate that even "pure" characters have made horrible decisions that come back to bite them.

Except Gohan is pure-hearted, and it wouldn't make sense for Babidi to be able to control him.


And "ignoring him for 7 years?" He was dead! Grandpa Gohan made no effort to contact Goku except for on his free day as well; should he be condemned for that?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

And "ignoring him for 7 years?" He was dead! Grandpa Gohan made no effort to contact Goku except for on his free day as well; should he be condemned for that?

Well, there was the option of using the Namekian Dragon Balls, but Goku said "DON'T I'M A VILLAIN MAGNET!" as an excuse to stay there and train more...

[Kamiccolo9]

And "ignoring him for 7 years?" He was dead! Grandpa Gohan made no effort to contact Goku except for on his free day as well; should he be condemned for that?

Well, there was the option of using the Namekian Dragon Balls, but Goku said "DON'T I'M A VILLAIN MAGNET!" as an excuse to stay there and train more...

It may have been an excuse, but it was also the right thing to do, in his mind. I don't see any reason to vilify Goku for deciding to stay dead.

[Hades]

Gohan would have been a better Majin than Vegeta. Come on, it would have been one hell of a twist where Babidi manipulate's Gohan's resentment towards his father for using him as a living weapon while abandoning him to the horrors of the universe (Namek, Cell) and ignoring him outright for 7 years after the Cell fight. And it would demonstrate that even "pure" characters have made horrible decisions that come back to bite them.

Except Gohan is pure-hearted, and it wouldn't make sense for Babidi to be able to control him.


And "ignoring him for 7 years?" He was dead! Grandpa Gohan made no effort to contact Goku except for on his free day as well; should he be condemned for that?

What does "pure hearted" mean? Gohan is far from any definition, since he knowingly and sadistically tortured Cell, and Pure of heart is taken to mean severely mentally challenged (Goku thought marriage was food), which Gohan isn't. He has had to put up with being a living weapon since he was 4, and that would't be "pure" by any metric.

Besides, who's to say that the Kinto'un and Babidi weren't using different definitions of pure? As well as that, Gohan may be superficially pure, but may have over a decade of suppressed resentment bubbling in him.

That said, I never really liked the plot being "Goku makes a fuckton of bad decisions but they never bite him in the ass".

[xmysticgohanx]

I prefer Funi's dub over the Japanese sub (no nostalgia either because I was too young to remember most of it). It's weird to me to watch it in Japanese.

[Ajay]

I prefer Funi's dub over the Japanese sub (no nostalgia either because I was too young to remember most of it). It's weird to me to watch it in Japanese.

Care to elaborate?

[MediaFanGirl93]

What does "pure hearted" mean? Gohan is far from any definition, since he knowingly and sadistically tortured Cell, and Pure of heart is taken to mean severely mentally challenged (Goku thought marriage was food), which Gohan isn't. He has had to put up with being a living weapon since he was 4, and that would't be "pure" by any metric.

Besides, who's to say that the Kinto'un and Babidi weren't using different definitions of pure? As well as that, Gohan may be superficially pure, but may have over a decade of suppressed resentment bubbling in him.

That said, I never really liked the plot being "Goku makes a fuckton of bad decisions but they never bite him in the ass".

To be fair to Gohan, most (and if not all) Saiyans reach a sadistic state of mind when they ascend to a different level of power when they become super Saiyan. Even Goku did this, but does that make him any less pure-hearted than he was before??No. I mean, one out of character moment for Gohan doesn't define his whole character, and he was able to ride the nimbus years after the whole Cell thing.

[Hades]

What does "pure hearted" mean? Gohan is far from any definition, since he knowingly and sadistically tortured Cell, and Pure of heart is taken to mean severely mentally challenged (Goku thought marriage was food), which Gohan isn't. He has had to put up with being a living weapon since he was 4, and that would't be "pure" by any metric.

Besides, who's to say that the Kinto'un and Babidi weren't using different definitions of pure? As well as that, Gohan may be superficially pure, but may have over a decade of suppressed resentment bubbling in him.

That said, I never really liked the plot being "Goku makes a fuckton of bad decisions but they never bite him in the ass".

To be fair to Gohan, most (and if not all) Saiyans reach a sadistic state of mind when they ascend to a different level of power when they become super Saiyan. Even Goku did this, but does that make him any less pure-hearted than he was before??No. I mean, one out of character moment for Gohan doesn't define his whole character, and he was able to ride the nimbus years after the whole Cell thing.

But still, Gohan has shown a capacity for evil (however diminished), and has practically been raised as an attack dog all his life. What better way for this to bite Goku in the ass than have Gohan go Majin? Instead of "herp derp pure hearts make people immune to evil", Babidi uses Gohan's Memories of being treated like a living weapon (and the fact that Goku for all intents and purposes abandoned him after Cell's defeat), use them to awaken the hatred and resentment for Goku et al, and bam! You have Father being forced to fight against son. What better way to revive Buu than to turn kin against each other?

[garnetjester]

^That's really evil. I like it. But it might be too dramatic for Dragon Ball. Regardless of all the crap he had to take during his whole childhood, Gohan isn't resentful at all (even Nozawa comments on this character trait of him in an interview, saying that she thinks it's amazing that he doesn't ever feel hatred towards those who have hurt him in the past). However, maybe there's something to be said about his true self when he is SSJ2 or Ultimate and becomes quite merciless, showing a personality shift much bigger than that of Goku when he's a SSJ.

[Hades]

^That's really evil. I like it. But it might be too dramatic for Dragon Ball. Regardless of all the crap he had to take during his whole childhood, Gohan isn't resentful at all (even Nozawa comments on this character trait of him in an interview, saying that she thinks it's amazing that he doesn't ever feel hatred towards those who have hurt him in the past). However, maybe there's something to be said about his true self when he is SSJ2 or Ultimate and becomes quite merciless, showing a personality shift much bigger than that of Goku when he's a SSJ.

No, wait. Gohan is "pure" because he represses his issues (in a manner similar to Spock), unlike Goku (who can be considered legally retarded). Babidi simply forces Gohan's issues to the fore and he goes wild as a result.

[TheGmGoken]

^That's really evil. I like it. But it might be too dramatic for Dragon Ball. Regardless of all the crap he had to take during his whole childhood, Gohan isn't resentful at all (even Nozawa comments on this character trait of him in an interview, saying that she thinks it's amazing that he doesn't ever feel hatred towards those who have hurt him in the past). However, maybe there's something to be said about his true self when he is SSJ2 or Ultimate and becomes quite merciless, showing a personality shift much bigger than that of Goku when he's a SSJ.

No, wait. Gohan is "pure" because he represses his issues (in a manner similar to Spock), unlike Goku (who can be considered legally retarded). Babidi simply forces Gohan's issues to the fore and he goes wild as a result.

That doesn't sound DB at all. Also Goku is legally retarded? How?

[MediaFanGirl93]

But still, Gohan has shown a capacity for evil (however diminished), and has practically been raised as an attack dog all his life. What better way for this to bite Goku in the ass than have Gohan go Majin? Instead of "herp derp pure hearts make people immune to evil", Babidi uses Gohan's Memories of being treated like a living weapon (and the fact that Goku for all intents and purposes abandoned him after Cell's defeat), use them to awaken the hatred and resentment for Goku et al, and bam! You have Father being forced to fight against son. What better way to revive Buu than to turn kin against each other?

Not really. I doubt Gohan has any resentment towards his father. I can understand him getting upset with Goku, but resentment?

[Hades]

That doesn't sound DB at all. Also Goku is legally retarded? How?

Well, it could be argued that Q Who and BoBW "didn't sound trek at all", but they were some of the best ST episodes ever. Meanwhile, Goku took one hell of a hit to the head as an infant.

Not really. I doubt Gohan has any resentment towards his father. I can understand him getting upset with Goku, but resentment?

Given the shit Gohan had been put through, Even Nozawa herself is surprised that he DIDN'T have hatred harboured in his mind (Being treated like an attack dog and thrown in the path of Cosmic Horrors since childhood, while their father has been negligent to an extent on par with Big Boss would make any child hate their father).

[Kid Buu]

That doesn't sound DB at all. Also Goku is legally retarded? How?

He fell on his head as a baby and damaged his brain.

[ABED]

Goku has brain damage, but he's not retarded, he's just uneducated.

Second, Hades' ideas aren't Dragon Ball, and it implies that human behavior is deterministic. Not everyone reacts the same, even to trauma. I don't see how Gohan was treated as an attack dog. I don't know why people have it in their head that darker is automatically better. I love Wolverine and Batman, but not every superhero should be like them. I enjoyed Man of Steel, but it felt a little bit like they were trying to make Superman more like Batman.

Being understandably upset doesn't make someone impure. I don't know if I would say Gohan tortured Cell. He took his time and hurt him but I don't think he did what could be considered torture.

[MediaFanGirl93]

Goku has brain damage, but he's not retarded, he's just uneducated.

Second, Hades' ideas aren't Dragon Ball, and it implies that human behavior is deterministic. Not everyone reacts the same, even to trauma. I don't see how Gohan was treated as an attack dog.

Being understandably upset doesn't make someone impure. I don't know if I would say Gohan tortured Cell. He took his time and hurt him but I don't think he did what could be considered torture.

I thought that Hades' ideas were from the TFS version of this show because of how it exaggerates Gohan's "pent up aggression" against his father.

Isn't that what I said, that Gohan never had an impure heart.? I do agree that he did take it too far by saying that he wanted Cell to suffer because I felt he was out of character, but I don't see Gohan's actions as SSJ2 as "torturing Cell." I see it as Gohan giving Cell his just desserts.