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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:01 pm

Don't call it dragging you into pointless arguments, you did so of your own free will.

And I still stand by my statement that it's pop psychology. If that offends you, that's not my problem, I'm don't tiptoeing around telling people that I think there opinions are wrong. Ideas are what drive cultures. It is our ideas that lead to cynicism. Yes, the world changed, but WHY? You don't answer that, your answer was very surface level. There's some truth, but it doesn't ultimately explain why there's such cynicism, and why many people think darker stories/characters are axiomatically better.
but that might leave you with ill-conceived notion that somehow the validity your arguments were the cause for my sudden silence, so I prefer to be clear about things.
Why would it matter what I think the reason was? Even if I did think that, you telling me otherwise probably wouldn't change my opinion. Just leave it be, otherwise I assume you want to continue the discussion, but what bothers me is that instead of ending it, people try to paint themselves as victims. No one forced you to respond, and calling it pointless is just a non-sensical knock. We're on a DB forum, there's no grand point to any of this beyond us having a show we enjoy, or most of us (not you, just so we're clear)

And you're talk of "fruitless debate" - what is a fruitfull debate? As far as I can tell, the assumption is that unless one of us budges, it's meaningless. That's not the point of a debate. It's about exchanging ideas, just like this forum is, regardless of whether we share the same ideas or change our ideas.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by rereboy » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:47 pm

ABED wrote:Don't call it dragging you into pointless arguments, you did so of your own free will.
No, when you started trying to drag me into pointless arguments I shut down the conversation. Before that I was merely responding to certain points. And I had no intention of even responding to any of the stuff you said before you addressed me.
And I still stand by my statement that it's pop psychology. If that offends you, that's not my problem, I'm don't tiptoeing around telling people that I think there opinions are wrong.
Like I said via PM, I wasn't offended.
Yes, the world changed, but WHY? You don't answer that, your answer was very surface level. There's some truth, but it doesn't ultimately explain why there's such cynicism, and why many people think darker stories/characters are axiomatically better.
My answer was surface level because I don't actually feel like writing a thesis about it. I stated one of the most prominent factors for it, imo: the change in media and our perspective of the world with it, to the point that we now know much more about the dirt of the world now than in those days.

I really don't care if my answer seems surface level to you and if it doesn't satisfy you. Like I said, I didn't really want to be dragged into a pointless in-depth discussion about the issue, and I find astonishing that you fail to see just how much you try to drag people into endless discussions like that.
Why would it matter what I think the reason was? Even if I did think that, you telling me otherwise probably wouldn't change my opinion. Just leave it be, otherwise I assume you want to continue the discussion, but what bothers me is that instead of ending it, people try to paint themselves as victims. No one forced you to respond, and calling it pointless is just a non-sensical knock. We're on a DB forum, there's no grand point to any of this beyond us having a show we enjoy, or most of us (not you, just so we're clear)
Like I said, because I like to be clear.
And you're talk of "fruitless debate" - what is a fruitfull debate? As far as I can tell, the assumption is that unless one of us budges, it's meaningless. That's not the point of a debate. It's about exchanging ideas, just like this forum is, regardless of whether we share the same ideas or change our ideas.
A fruitful debate is a debate where people exchange ideas and share their opinions in an enjoyable fashion and at whatever depth and pace they want. The mere exchange of ideas doesn't make a debate worthwhile or enjoyable.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:06 pm

Ugh, I really won't respond after this, because it is getting tiresome. Stop saying you are being dragged into these debates or forced to respond. You keep responding to tell me you are sick of responding. Do you not see the irony? No one is forcing you to say anything more than you want to, but you feel compelled to then complain. You can just ignore me. You may think you have no intention of saying anything else, but the sheer number of times you've written that or implied that indicate otherwise.

The last thing I'll say to you about the WW2 issue is that I didn't mean that the brevity of your response is why I found it surface level. I found it to be surface level because it didn't touch on what I believe to be the fundamental reason - the change in ideas. Maybe you're right to some extent, that the change in media aided the change in perception, but I don't think that goes deep enough. I don't believe that affected people at their core more than something like educational philosophy, or the ideas people are exposed to through intellectuals.

I've said my piece, I'm done.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:03 pm

I'm not fond of all these new material for Db coming out recently. With exception of
EOB
HEROES
KAI(IF that counts)
YSGAFR

I guess around 2009 - present

Also YSGAFR has the best intro and closing

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:06 am

I dislike the Abridged Series a lot. The characters are flanderized to hell and the jokes suck.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:22 am

While I still like TFS my main problem is that in the newer episodes the whole thing sometimes seems really mean spirited. Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a bitter drama about a bunch of friends who hate each other rather than a comedy.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:44 am

My main problem are the fans. You mention DBZ in any context and they'll harp on about an Abridged joke as if they have tourette syndrome or something.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:43 am

ringworm128 wrote:While I still like TFS my main problem is that in the newer episodes the whole thing sometimes seems really mean spirited. Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a bitter drama about a bunch of friends who hate each other rather than a comedy.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:52 am

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:While I still like TFS my main problem is that in the newer episodes the whole thing sometimes seems really mean spirited. Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a bitter drama about a bunch of friends who hate each other rather than a comedy.
Welcome to the Cell Arc?
Speaking of Cell arc. My unpopular opinion which is Kanzenshuu only is that its equal or better than Boo arc. After rereading and watching. Boo arc bores me the second half(post Vegeta vs Boo). Cell arc entertain me all the way. Also I prefer Boo arc with Bruce F.

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Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:35 pm

Kid Buu wrote:My main problem are the fans. You mention DBZ in any context and they'll harp on about an Abridged joke as if they have tourette syndrome or something.
Especially if you go on Youtube. Good grief.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Kid Buu » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:50 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
ringworm128 wrote:While I still like TFS my main problem is that in the newer episodes the whole thing sometimes seems really mean spirited. Sometimes I feel like I'm watching a bitter drama about a bunch of friends who hate each other rather than a comedy.
Welcome to the Cell Arc?
Speaking of Cell arc. My unpopular opinion which is Kanzenshuu only is that its equal or better than Boo arc. After rereading and watching. Boo arc bores me the second half(post Vegeta vs Boo). Cell arc entertain me all the way. Also I prefer Boo arc with Bruce F.
Agreed. Having gone through the arc again it starts to fizzle down once Vegeta dies and by the time Super Buu shows up it just turns into a string of battles. The Gotenks one is fun because it is creative and even, but the Gohan and Vegetto fights are boring (except for candy gag, that was funny). The final fight was fun, but everything prior to that did not feel linear.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FrogTrigger » Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:49 pm

MediaFanGirl93 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:My main problem are the fans. You mention DBZ in any context and they'll harp on about an Abridged joke as if they have tourette syndrome or something.
Especially if you go on Youtube. Good grief.
YouTube comments are the devil!

Irk abridged doesn't seem mean spirited

Maybe Piccolo Tenshinhan and Vegeta but then again those two really never got along with Vegeta did they?

I think goku definitely knows what sex is and enjoys it quite a bit, he's just more of an in the moment kinda guy

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:17 am

FrogTrigger wrote:
MediaFanGirl93 wrote:
Kid Buu wrote:My main problem are the fans. You mention DBZ in any context and they'll harp on about an Abridged joke as if they have tourette syndrome or something.
Especially if you go on Youtube. Good grief.
YouTube comments are the devil!

Irk abridged doesn't seem mean spirited

Maybe Piccolo Tenshinhan and Vegeta but then again those two really never got along with Vegeta did they?

I think goku definitely knows what sex is and enjoys it quite a bit, he's just more of an in the moment kinda guy
I honestly hate the Youtube comments for DBZ, and especially, the abridge series. I'll admit that while I dislike the Abridged series, I've seen many Goku scenes and he is a complete IDIOT.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FrogTrigger » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:00 pm

MediaFanGirl93 wrote: YouTube comments are the devil!

Irk abridged doesn't seem mean spirited

Maybe Piccolo Tenshinhan and Vegeta but then again those two really never got along with Vegeta did they?

I think goku definitely knows what sex is and enjoys it quite a bit, he's just more of an in the moment kinda guy
I honestly hate the Youtube comments for DBZ, and especially, the abridge series. I'll admit that while I dislike the Abridged series, I've seen many Goku scenes and he is a complete IDIOT.[/quote]
Yea but that idiocy' is a parody of the original character, it's all done in fun and I can tell they're big fans from the jokes they use, though I understand not everybody will feel the same way about the series

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:52 pm

I think Dragon Ball GT makes for a better story arc than the Cell saga.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FrogTrigger » Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:57 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:I think Dragon Ball GT makes for a better story arc than the Cell saga.
Whys that?

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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:19 pm

thatdbzguy wrote:I think Dragon Ball GT makes for a better story arc than the Cell saga.
Dbgt has 4 arc. How that's fair compared to A one arc fir Cell. You comparing a series to a ARC. Think about that for a second

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by thatdbzguy » Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:32 pm

FrogTrigger wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:I think Dragon Ball GT makes for a better story arc than the Cell saga.
Whys that?
Better villains, less OOC behavior, less of a reliance on characters acting outrageously stupid in order to keep the plot going (except for maybe GT's first arc), and it actually feels like a Dragon Ball story, whereas the Cell arc tried too hard to be this dark, edgy, badass story.
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thatdbzguy wrote:I think Dragon Ball GT makes for a better story arc than the Cell saga.
Dbgt has 4 arc. How that's fair compared to A one arc fir Cell. You comparing a series to a ARC. Think about that for a second
GT still only has 64 episodes, which is enough to be a typical DBZ arc.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:27 pm

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Dbgt has 4 arc. How that's fair compared to A one arc fir Cell. You comparing a series to a ARC. Think about that for a second[/quote]
GT still only has 64 episodes, which is enough to be a typical DBZ arc.[/quote]

Doesn't matter you're comparing A SERIES to one arc. Think about it. If I saw Gurren Lagann is better than Boo arc then that makes no since. You can't compare Series to arc. That's just..,,,,I can't even find a word.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by FrogTrigger » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:44 am

thatdbzguy wrote:[
Better villains, less OOC behavior, less of a reliance on characters acting outrageously stupid in order to keep the plot going (except for maybe GT's first arc), and it actually feels like a Dragon Ball story, whereas the Cell arc tried too hard to be this dark, edgy, badass story.
TheGmGoken wrote:
thatdbzguy wrote:I think Dragon Ball GT makes for a better story arc than the Cell saga.
Dbgt has 4 arc. How that's fair compared to A one arc fir Cell. You comparing a series to a ARC. Think about that for a second
GT still only has 64 episodes, which is enough to be a typical DBZ arc.
Ho.w are the villains better in your opinion?.

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