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Yeah, probably will. Definitely going to mention Broli again in the "Movie" section, as well. Only makes logical sense to do so.
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Well... except that "Planet Plant" really only existed as a "tentative" name for Vegeta, before they finally decided to just go with "Vegeta." The name "Planet Plant" doesn't figure in to regular series discussion, for either the anime or manga, because it didn't make it past the "design" stage. So... we should really say either "Planet Vegeta" or "the planet of the Tsufuru" or something like that.Jerseymilk wrote:In the section on Golden Ozaru, you call Bebi's new home Planet Planet. Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't it supposed to be Planet Plant? I always thought it was, so that's also why I'm asking, in case I've been wrong all these years.
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I know what you're talking about with the History of Trunks part, and of the instance in movie 4 (since I own both) but can't seem to remember the part you're refering to in the Saiyaman saga...Deus ex Machina wrote:I think this should be included too, since it's also seen in the History of Trunks and Great Saiyaman saga (When he beats the Ginyu force).Jerseymilk wrote: Also, along the line of the movies, are you going to make any mention of the alternate version of SSJ that Goku tranforms into in Movie #4? I know they only made the form that way because they didn't want to give away the true appearance to people who hadn't yet seen that part of the T.V. series, but I think it would be an interesting sidenote. Who knows, you could maybe even theorize that it's perhaps a preceding stage right before actual SSJ and that Kaio-sama incorrectly assumed it as SSJ. Just a thought anyway.
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I'm reffering to when Goku follows Paikuhan to Hell after Cell tries to take over. When Goku first arrives he 'half transforms' into SSJ, his hair stands up and his aura turns gold, but his eyes and hair are still black. Freeza sends the Ginyu force after him first (They think they've powered up enough to beat him now, lol right) and he knocks them all down without breaking a sweat.
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Ah. Another instance of my crappy memory at work as I still can't remember seeing it though I saw that episode... ah well, no big deal.
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When Gohan is trying to coach him into transforming, but he can't quite make it and fails (That scene in the feild). And before you say that doesn't count, it looks exactly like when Goku did the same thing in the Great Saiyaman saga, the only difference being that Goku could go all the way.PsyLiam wrote:So, when does it occur in the History Of Trunks special? I can't remember for the life of me.
But, but...it doesn't count! It's obviously him almost getting it, but not quite. Like Gohan training in the Room of Time and Spirit (both before he transforms initially, and when he almost transforms into a SSJ II).
Or when Gohan's hair starts sticking up more during the fight with Cell, as forshadowing of his eventual transformation. It doesn't count as a seperate transformation in itself, I wouldn't have thought.
Or when Gohan's hair starts sticking up more during the fight with Cell, as forshadowing of his eventual transformation. It doesn't count as a seperate transformation in itself, I wouldn't have thought.
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It wouldn't count if that was the only occurance, but Goku proves that in the GS saga and Movie 4 that the 'false' SSJ can still be used as a battle advantage.PsyLiam wrote:But, but...it doesn't count! It's obviously him almost getting it, but not quite. Like Gohan training in the Room of Time and Spirit (both before he transforms initially, and when he almost transforms into a SSJ II).
Or when Gohan's hair starts sticking up more during the fight with Cell, as forshadowing of his eventual transformation. It doesn't count as a seperate transformation in itself, I wouldn't have thought.
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But let's remember that false SSJ in movie 4 IS SSJ, only they fucked up the method in which it should be drawn. (If memory serves it's because Toriyama hadn't drawn SSJ in the manga yet)
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Are you sure? I was under the impression that it had already been drawn in the manga, but the episode haden't aired on television yet.Dayspring wrote:But let's remember that false SSJ in movie 4 IS SSJ, only they fucked up the method in which it should be drawn. (If memory serves it's because Toriyama hadn't drawn SSJ in the manga yet)
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Yes, Dues is correct. When those movies are made, they have to not be exactly like the series because they show all over the country and different regions aren't at the same point in the show. So it's to avoid "plot giveaways" and confusion. That's why the movies don't fit with the series. They had no choice but to make the transformation different.
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I don't get that. They don't want to spoil the whole "Super Saiyan" revelation, so they...do it exactly the same except leave his hair black. Woopeedoo.
Anyway, I'm agreeing that it counts as a seperate transformation in Goku's case. I just don't think that Trunks' attempts to turn Super Saiyan are the same thing, since
1/ It wasn't "stable", and
2/ It looks like every other instance when a character "almost" transformed to the next level but didn't quite make it.
Anyway, I'm agreeing that it counts as a seperate transformation in Goku's case. I just don't think that Trunks' attempts to turn Super Saiyan are the same thing, since
1/ It wasn't "stable", and
2/ It looks like every other instance when a character "almost" transformed to the next level but didn't quite make it.
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Goku's wasn't either, at least not in movie 4. Seeing Slug rip off his arm and then regrow it kind of snapped him back to reality.
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<Xyex> Original Freeza never sounded like a chick to me.
<Kaboom> Neither does Rita
<Xyex> Good point.
<Kaboom> I'm just glad that he now sounds more like Invader Zim than Rita Repulsa
<Xyex> Original Freeza never sounded like a chick to me.
<Kaboom> Neither does Rita
<Xyex> Good point.