Shouldn't Vegetto have had armor?

[JulieYBM]

Who says the color is based on what the two characters are currently wearing? It's magic. The colors are chosen based on what they like.

[theherodjl]

Gogeta & Gotenks always look the same no matter what they happen to be wearing so we know Metamor fusion has a pre-determined clothes setting. Potara fusion seems to resemble the general outfit of Goku & Xeno Goku just with different coloring, I guess that means it takes on the the outfit of the 'superior' fusee with whatever alternate coloring that the 'inferior' fusee happens to wearing.

[Grimlock]

No matter how you try to justify something, this is usually the conclusion you end up with. I really hope once Super returns it'll stop being so inconsistent. I understand with a story as long as DB's you're going to eventually end up with some things that don't line up, but Super is just ridicules. Like many of its inconsistencies, a very simple change could've prevented this one. Instead of breaking off part of Vegeta's armor, they should've just broken it off completely, resulting in him looking closer to his Buu arc self.

Yeah, but I think the first problem is thinking about making Vegetto to look closer to his Majin Buu saga self. Since Potara merges clothes and we're gonna bring the character back, let's play with that. Goku and Vegeta should have kept their Movie 15's outfits to begin with. And despite what Baggie_Saiyan said in the previous page, I don't think there shouldn't be a problem coming up with a new design, you just need to stick to your own logic that you established yourself.
Well, thankfully, Dragon Ball Heroes already showed how Vegetto looks like with the Movie 15's outfit.

I guess that means it takes on the the outfit of the 'superior' fusee with whatever alternate coloring that the 'inferior' fusee happens to wearing.

And can you possibly tell me who are the "superior" and "inferior" fusees? What determines that? Merged Zamasu takes Zamasu's outfit and Goku Black's color scheme, but who's to say it couldn't be the other way around?



Alright, this chat is making me want to analyze more about Potara and its clothing pattern. Let's get to it:

Xeno Vegenks is an interesting one. He retains Xeno Vegeta's gloves and boots, and for the first time his armor is there. And what's curious is that the cloaks come from Xeno Trunks. I think we have a truly combination of clothing here. The colors are a big whatever because both of them are wearing black anyway.

Spoiler:

Kafla also "breaks" (?) "this rule" (?) of just wearing the clothes of one fusee and taking the colors of the other one. Judging by her shirt and boots, I think I am to assume that Kafla is supposed to wear Kale's outfit with Caulifla's color scheme, so why are Kafla's pants pink instead of purple? And where the hell do those thin pants come from!?

Spoiler:

It's interesting to note that in the manga, Gotan retains not only Goku's clothes but his colors too, yet, strangely enough, he wears Mister Satan's boots. This was properly corrected in the anime, though.

Spoiler:

[Matches Malone]

Goku and Vegeta should have kept their Movie 15's outfits to begin with. I don't think there shouldn't be a problem coming up with a new design, you just need to stick to your own logic that you established yourself.

I fully agree with both. What I'm saying is that if they wanted to insist on keeping the "classic" designs" around, they could've simply had Zamasu blast Vegeta's armor off to avoid Vegetto showing up without one being an inconsistency.

[theherodjl]

And can you possibly tell me who are the "superior" and "inferior" fusees? What determines that? Merged Zamasu takes Zamasu's outfit and Goku Black's color scheme, but who's to say it couldn't be the other way around?

Alright, this chat is making me want to analyze more about Potara and its clothing pattern. Let's get to it:

Xeno Vegenks is an interesting one. He retains Xeno Vegeta's gloves and boots, and for the first time his armor is there. And what's curious is that the cloaks come from Xeno Trunks. I think we have a truly combination of clothing here. The colors are a big whatever because both of them are wearing black anyway.

Spoiler:

Kafla also "breaks" (?) "this rule" (?) of just wearing the clothes of one fusee and taking the colors of the other one. Judging by her shirt and boots, I think I am to assume that Kafla is supposed to wear Kale's outfit with Caulifla's color scheme, so why are Kafla's pants pink instead of purple? And where the hell do those thin pants come from!?

Spoiler:

It's interesting to note that in the manga, Gotan retains not only Goku's clothes but his colors too, yet, strangely enough, he wears Mister Satan's boots. This was properly corrected in the anime, though.

Spoiler:

I can't really explain other Potara fusions since they toss out whatever clothing "rule" that Vegetto might have. However, we can assume that Goku is the 'superior' fusee since he usually is the first one to break down the walls that limit them, that he's "pure of heart"(whether that stands to a significant degree anymore), and possibly that Goku might just have more potential than Vegeta. While I wouldn't discount that Vegeta could bridge these points, Goku might still be ahead because he did them first. The Potara might just be logical(or alphabetical ) regarding the choice of Goku & Vegeta.

[darkclaw89]

My opinion is that this is getting too deep into something that wasn't considered too deeply by the artists. With DB, things are often fairly simple - no need to complicate it by overthinking (the artists certainly didn't). Fusion is simply the combination of 2 characters. The way that combination of traits happens is very subjective to the artist, and not "scientific". My opinion is that they try to make it equal, but that readers/viewers will always vary in how they perceive it.

[Tai Lung]

probably in the manga yes

[Matches Malone]

My opinion is that this is getting too deep into something that wasn't considered too deeply by the artists. With DB, things are often fairly simple - no need to complicate it by overthinking.

We're not overthinking anything, we just expect consistency in writing. Being unable to follow basic logic established in their story is just lazy writing, and fans have every right to call them out on it. I have no idea why some keep trying to justify their incompetence when they'd be the first to call out other writers for less.

[darkclaw89]

My opinion is that this is getting too deep into something that wasn't considered too deeply by the artists. With DB, things are often fairly simple - no need to complicate it by overthinking.

We're not overthinking anything, we just expect consistency in writing. Being unable to follow basic logic established in their story is just lazy writing, and fans have every right to call them out on it. I have no idea why some keep trying to justify their incompetence when they'd be the first to call out other writers for less.

Maybe I should clarify - I want consistency in writing too! I think we're on the same page. Since we don't have consistency, I personally don't think I'll get much out of trying to jam what we have into logical head canons (aka. the consistency we never got). But don't let my "bah-hambug-ing" stop you, I know it's fun to discuss!

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Jeez there is no inconsistency or lazy writing. Of all the things to complain about how are people still complaining about Vegetto not having armour in DBS.

Right.

1. Has it ever occurred to people that Vegetto's gi is just Goku's inverted with Vegeta's gloves and boots? Meaning Vegeta having or not having armour is irreverent.

2. There was NO LORE established for Portara clothing so how can it be "inconsistent"? Like someone else said it is magic, two beings fusing into one is pretty nonsensical but apparently clothing is the thing that is too much to suspend disbelief for...

3. If we are hung up about Vegetto not having armour then we should start to question the way he looks, why is his hair the way it is looks and where does the two bangs from? But Vegetto not having armour in DBS that is the real issue we have to get to the bottom off though...

[MeMeDZEHH]

Jeez there is no inconsistency or lazy writing. Of all the things to complain about how are people still complaining about Vegetto not having armour in DBS.

Right.

1. Has it ever occurred to people that Vegetto's gi is just Goku's inverted with Vegeta's gloves and boots? Meaning Vegeta having or not having armour is irreverent.

2. There was NO LORE established for Portara clothing so how can it be "inconsistent"? Like someone else said it is magic, two beings fusing into one is pretty nonsensical but apparently clothing is the thing that is too much to suspend disbelief for...

3. If we are hung up about Vegetto not having armour then we should start to question the way he looks, why is his hair the way it is looks and where does the two bangs from? But Vegetto not having armour in DBS that is the real issue we have to get to the bottom off though...

THANKS YOU. i don't know why people assumes the armor have to be there. The fact that they called lazy writing something that has nothing to do with writing but more with charadesign ...

[SSJgogeto]

Actually, it makes sense. Also, there's this guy:



Maybe it's just me, but I can't see any change in his clothes comparing with before the fusion.

EDIT - hehe, back in DBZ their clothes are damaged too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKyX-mhmEas

That's only in the anime, though.

[dbgtFO]

Actually, it makes sense. Also, there's this guy:



Maybe it's just me, but I can't see any change in his clothes comparing with before the fusion.

Silly comparison. The manga did not show us the immediate result of the merger between Old Kaioshin and the witch, so he might as well have made himself some new clothes after being given his original merged outfit and then never changed.
Maybe the anime showed us the immediate result in the flashback, but I can't recall.

[SSJgogeto]

No, the anime didn't show anything. And I thought about Kaioshin making new (old) clothes, I think that's possible but we don't really know.