GT vs Super [POLL]

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by PFM18 » Sun May 06, 2018 1:00 pm

Super>>>>>>>GT

Super has the best slice of life episodes and the best fights in the entire franchise. GT cant even hold a candle

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by sunsetshimmer » Sun May 06, 2018 1:26 pm

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You are so obsessed with Zamasu
Yes, I am.
Being a rip-off (or even just something very similar by coincidence - to not make you think i totally believe TOEI copied Baby on purpose) doesn't mean being the same in every way. The same techniques? Seriously?
So Baby is a rip-off of Frieza, since he is an alien who hates Saiyans. Your entire argument is to prove that Zamasu is a bad villain because he is a rip-off of Baby, No? But then Baby is also a bad villain, since he took elements from various previous villains, such as Frieza.

In fact, I don't have a problem with Zamasu being a rip-off of Baby. Whatever. Zamasu is still one of the most popular villains in Dragon Ball. But then why are you bashing Zamasu for being a rip-off of Baby when Baby himself is a rip-off of Frieza?
I don't like Zamasu, but being a ripoff doesn't equal being bad character. And it's not kind of ripoff like Kale's transformation. That's pure Broly.
They are not the same. But they have MANY things in common, but handled in VERY different way. Which makes some people like one and dislike the other.
I wouldn't like Zamasu even if i wouldn't know Baby. I won't say it has nothing to do with Zamasu reminding me of Baby, but it's not a major factor here.
Zamasu was interesting until it was revelaed that Goku Black is Zamasu.
And once again, you took entire "ripoff" to serious. If Zamasu was 100% ripoff, he would simply be the same character. But he isn't.
And i'm not even saying that they ripped Baby on purpose. It might be pure coincidence.

Also, my point isn't that Baby has nothing in common with any previous villain. Both Baby and Zamasu have.
But those would mostly be minor things, one thing in common.
My point is that Baby and Zamasu had more than just one thing in common.
It's hard to create 100% original villain and i don't blame Zamasu for let's say fusing with himself just like Super 17 did, unless someone praise it as the original idea. It isn't. But it doesn't mean i will bash Zamasu just because he (99% sure by coincidence) did the same thing as Super 17 lol.

But i am not going to lie, Zamasu seems like the biggest mix of previous villains. You may call it a perfect mix and you have every right to. But it still doesn't change a fact, that there are not many original things about Zamasu, yet for some reason people seem to praise him for being very original.
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Cetra » Sun May 06, 2018 1:38 pm

Just so you know it is incredibly easy to cheat in this poll. I am 99% sure the poll has a vote of mine 4 times. I tried it out because I was not sure after the second time it asked me if it just does not count or if the poll is badly made but apparently it really gives you the option to vote as often as you want.

So the poll is even more worthless.
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Sun May 06, 2018 1:49 pm

Cetra wrote:Just so you know it is incredibly easy to cheat in this poll. I am 99% sure the poll has a vote of mine 4 times. I tried it out because I was not sure after the second time it asked me if it just does not count or if the poll is badly made but apparently it really gives you the option to vote as often as you want.

So the poll is even more worthless.
Of course it’s rigged! Anyone can vote as many times as they like. But at least DBGT has the most :thumbup:
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun May 06, 2018 1:49 pm

Cetra wrote:Just so you know it is incredibly easy to cheat in this poll. I am 99% sure the poll has a vote of mine 4 times. I tried it out because I was not sure after the second time it asked me if it just does not count or if the poll is badly made but apparently it really gives you the option to vote as often as you want.

So the poll is even more worthless.
Oh **** you're right...

I was indeed finding it so suspicious there were so many votes for GT and so fast lol
But at least DBGT has the most
Well it only takes one user to insert 100 votes in the span of 10mns lol

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Sun May 06, 2018 2:21 pm

PsionicWarrior wrote:I was indeed finding it so suspicious there were so many votes for GT and so fast lol
In all fairness, the same could be said about DBSuper. :mrgreen:
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun May 06, 2018 2:24 pm

Yes, but Super didn't get a 100 votes in the span of 10 mns lol

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun May 06, 2018 3:06 pm

PsionicWarrior wrote:EDIT 2 New link!
Please play fair people lol

This time I went for a two way options so you have to choose lol

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Logania » Sun May 06, 2018 3:52 pm

Super for one reason. Super has Hit. So that automatically makes it superior.

I'll probably decide to re-vote after my run through of GT that I'm currently watching with the Blue Water Dub
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun May 06, 2018 4:02 pm

13 votes in 1 hour, seems legit this time lol

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by sangofe » Sun May 06, 2018 4:16 pm

Vijay wrote:GT by a mile. At least as far as entertainment goes

Super's Ep 131 was epic. Dats bout it. Maybe I'll watch some Yuya Takahashi episodes in Youtube. But that doesnt mean I'd give Super a shot. Its so.....cringy. Even Black Goku Arc, considered best Super Arc seems manipulative & derivative.

GT's 1st & Final Arc were horrendrous in terms of pacing & animation. But Baby & Super 17 makes-up for them. Also, it had cool OP & ED. So yeah!
Super by a mile! Much better fights. My exciting characters. An amazing Black arc. Some glorious episodes. The only better thing GT had was consistent art.

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Logania » Sun May 06, 2018 4:43 pm

Scrolling the posts and it's the 3rd GT/Super thread that turns into Baby and Zamasu comparisons, what the hell lol
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Robo4900 » Sun May 06, 2018 4:49 pm

GT > Super.

I'd rather take a short but sweet show with flawed writing over an endless slog of crap writing, crap animation, and crap music. :P
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by JazzMazz » Sun May 06, 2018 4:58 pm

This is kind of like asking, "which pile of crap do you think tastes better?"

Despite that, surprisingly enough, I can pretty safely say that Super is a better crap pile than GT, because at least Super has some genuinely kick ass moments.

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Bullza » Sun May 06, 2018 5:11 pm

Super is very obviously the better show in every single possible way.

GT is just complete and utter garbage from start to finish. Except for the music and the last few minutes there isn't anything that is good about the show.

It's childish beyond belief, the characters, particularly Pan are some of the worst characters in anime, the story has decent ideas but then executes them all horrifically, the animation sucks and there's no good fights in a series known for its fighting.

It is widely known as a terrible show for a reason.

You know how Bio Broly is a crappy movie? Well GT is essentially an entire series that is consistently worse than that movie.

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by AnimeMaakuo » Sun May 06, 2018 5:44 pm

Robo4900 wrote:GT > Super.

I'd rather take a short but sweet show with flawed writing over an endless slog of crap writing, crap animation, and crap music. :P
In my opinion, DBGT had many beautiful moments filled with hardcore nostalgia and I feel the reason it gets a lot of bad reputation is because of the way Mark Menza handled it over at FUNimation or from little rugrats who parrot the people who’ve never seen it before. In any case, the original Japanese score is absolutely brilliant and the way Toei took risks had me on the edge of my seat (in a good way). I’ll never forget seeing SSJ4 Goku for the very first time and how sad I was when it was over. I accept the writing for what it is and I’m still in love with DBGT decades after. It’s pretty cool that Toriyama would check the stories that come up from Toei Animation, and give them a little bit of advice. I’ll always be charmed by DBGT whenever it’s on and I don’t give a shit what anybody else says or thinks.

As far as I’m concerned, DBSuper is nothing but a polished turd. Literally. The sound effects, animation, writing, and music made me cringe so hard. The endless God transformations that feature red, pink, blue, and white hair is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever seen in an anime. My friend calls me one day while I’m at work and says, “You’re not going to believe this, Goku is getting white hair now (LOL).” We went from Bebī and SSJ4 Goku to Freeza being revived with a transformation that somehow makes him “God tier” without any logical explanation whatsoever and a female Broly with noodle arms. What a load of bullshit! The entire “going to battle Gods of other universes” reminds me of Pokémon with Ash and the Joto League. What’s next, Orange hair?

In another universe, I’m probably building some kind of device that would control the minds of people and erase everything they know about DBSuper during a broadcast of the last episode because that’s how much distaste I have for it.

The least Toei could do is remaster the footage from the Dragon Boxes and release it on Blu-Ray in 1080p, 4:3, but instead we get a DBSuperDuper movie showcasing an unoriginal white haired Goku in his SSJ5 form (I mean, Super God Intense Goku or whatever the f*** it’s called) which already existed from fan drawings WAYYYYY before any of this nonsense happened.
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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Saturnine » Sun May 06, 2018 5:48 pm

Just because something has existed in fanart (though not exactly in this particular form) doesn't mean it's bad. Fanart has also been rife with overdersigned transformations featuring unrealistic ornamentation and other accents that would never appear in a canon show.

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by PsionicWarrior » Sun May 06, 2018 6:18 pm

Robo4900 wrote:crap animation
Oh really lol...
crap music
Really lol...

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Vijay » Sun May 06, 2018 7:18 pm

sangofe wrote:
Vijay wrote:GT by a mile. At least as far as entertainment goes

Super's Ep 131 was epic. Dats bout it. Maybe I'll watch some Yuya Takahashi episodes in Youtube. But that doesnt mean I'd give Super a shot. Its so.....cringy. Even Black Goku Arc, considered best Super Arc seems manipulative & derivative.

GT's 1st & Final Arc were horrendrous in terms of pacing & animation. But Baby & Super 17 makes-up for them. Also, it had cool OP & ED. So yeah!
Super by a mile! Much better fights. My exciting characters. An amazing Black arc. Some glorious episodes. The only better thing GT had was consistent art.
Um, dats cool & stuff. But why did ya quote me? I think except "by a mile" none of your points seem to give me the impression of getting into an arguement/discussion

But I'd say GT has far more credit to it than mere "consistent art". In fact, its by far most inconsistent with various animators working on even single scene which starts as far as GT's ep 1 that Ajay has discussed in his Youtube Channel on 1st April

1. GT got the 90's vibe which resonates more as compared to glitzy Super

2. GT's attempt into going DB-esque (which backfired & TOEI thankfully learned) followed by Z's hardcore action gave fans what they wanted. Call it fan-service. But SSJ4 Goku/SSJ4 Vegeta, Shadow Dragons were quite solid plot-devices to move past Z. Somethin Super sorely missed specially considerin how all events of Super's supposed to lead into EoZ which is nothin but....insane...You acheive God, followed by level beyond God, then whole nother league of Mastered Ultra Instinct that could strike fear into even Gods of Destruction & all outta sudden fly away with Uub just to train....it simply doesnt sit-well with Goku's characterization

3. Beg to differ on fights. If Super's 30 seconds of "atatatatatata" with blurring fists on-screen is considered good for ya, GT's God-like on that aspect. Unlike those blurring punches, GT emphasizes on every hits. Ex: Base Goku vs General Rildo, SSJ4Goku vs Baby Vegeta/Super 17/Omega were such satisfying classic DBZ "beat-em-up" action

4. GT's OP & ED. Enuf said....

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Re: GT vs Super [POLL]

Post by Robo4900 » Sun May 06, 2018 8:52 pm

AnimeMaakuo wrote:[...]
Haha. I think I've finally found someone more passionately for GT and against Super than I am. :lol:
Well said, though, man. A lot of my thoughts echoed in there. :)
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Robo4900 wrote:crap animation
Oh really lol...
crap music
Really lol...
Oh, are we pasting in out of context single clips/pieces that could easily be selected to show the best or worst of whatever we're talking about so we can use one tiny piece of something as a counterpoint to a statement about an entire work?

Oh goody!

And while I'm at it...

Seriously. You're allowed to have a different opinion, and I enjoy debating the artistic merit of the shows in question, but I suggest you either make your points well, or don't make them at all.
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