Gohan said Piccolo got way stronger and that is why he beat him so easy when they was training in episode 88.dragon boss z wrote:Are you sure about that? Last time I checked Piccolo lost to Tagoma, and got one shot by first form Frieza. Even if he trained I'm not sure he surpassed base Goku, and if he did I doubt it would be by too much.namekiansaiyan wrote:
Piccolo did not want to seriously hurt Goku or kill him so Piccolo only used enough power to put him off. Piccolo is obviously way stronger than base Goku so if you believe that attack was full power then the attack was an inconsistency in the episode 90.
The thing about base Goku is his strength seems to change a lot. One day he will be equal to copy Vegeta who one shot ssj3 Gotenks, the next day he will be equal with nerd Gohan or get pushed to ssj by Krillin.
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The manga made it clear future Zamasu was nowhere near SSB, and that he wasn't even as strong as ssj2 Trunks.HeroR wrote:
That was Present Zamasu. Future Zamasu was clearly stronger.
Goku was stronger. The manga even supports this meaning Goku being the strongest was most likely in the outline.
Piccolo kicked final form Freeza in the face and sent him flying and Tien pinned down Semi-Perfect Cell.
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And I know Goku was stronger than Vegeta, but Vegeta and Trunks combined?
And Frieza was blindsided by Piccolo, not to mention Gohan and Krillin gave Piccolo their energy. But I will agree with you Tien holding semi perfect Cell down didn't make much sense.
Ya, I know he got way stronger. He went from below perfect Cell to ssj2 tier. That doesn't automatically make him above base Goku. He didn't even attempt to challenge base Goku, he went right into charging his ki attack.namekiansaiyan wrote:Gohan said Piccolo got way stronger and that is why he beat him so easy when they was training in episode 88.dragon boss z wrote:Are you sure about that? Last time I checked Piccolo lost to Tagoma, and got one shot by first form Frieza. Even if he trained I'm not sure he surpassed base Goku, and if he did I doubt it would be by too much.namekiansaiyan wrote:
Piccolo did not want to seriously hurt Goku or kill him so Piccolo only used enough power to put him off. Piccolo is obviously way stronger than base Goku so if you believe that attack was full power then the attack was an inconsistency in the episode 90.
The thing about base Goku is his strength seems to change a lot. One day he will be equal to copy Vegeta who one shot ssj3 Gotenks, the next day he will be equal with nerd Gohan or get pushed to ssj by Krillin.
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The only problem with what happened in 90 is Krillin made Goku go SSJ to avoid ring out, but Piccolo couldn't. I don't even think Super believes Krillin is stronger than Piccolo, so one of these two things is wrong. Either Piccolo should have made Goku go SSJ or Krillin shouldn't have.dragon boss z wrote:Ya, I know he got way stronger. He went from below perfect Cell to ssj2 tier. That doesn't automatically make him above base Goku. He didn't even attempt to challenge base Goku, he went right into charging his ki attack.namekiansaiyan wrote:Gohan said Piccolo got way stronger and that is why he beat him so easy when they was training in episode 88.dragon boss z wrote:
Are you sure about that? Last time I checked Piccolo lost to Tagoma, and got one shot by first form Frieza. Even if he trained I'm not sure he surpassed base Goku, and if he did I doubt it would be by too much.
The thing about base Goku is his strength seems to change a lot. One day he will be equal to copy Vegeta who one shot ssj3 Gotenks, the next day he will be equal with nerd Gohan or get pushed to ssj by Krillin.
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She's sooo cute ! i doubt she will be as relevant as the female saiyans ! i hope she's strong though i want to see her fight 18 !
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I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.
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My thoughts exacly they're following the trend.precita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.
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All is missing is having a sex scene(there was 1 in todays Tokyo Ghoul chapter which made tumblr lose their mindprecita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.

I wont mind if they have Caulifla and Kale become OTP, there wont be nothing wrong having lesbian characters.
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Eh, for some reason I think they're going to be sisters. Especially if they both have similar Broly-like transformations, makes sense for them to be related. Like how Paragus took care of his son Broly, it looks like it might be something similar here.perucho1990 wrote:
I wont mind if they have Caulifla and Kale become OTP, there wont be nothing wrong having lesbian characters.
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I hope not. We need a normal female SSJ.precita wrote:Eh, for some reason I think they're going to be sisters. Especially if they both have similar Broly-like transformations, makes sense for them to be related. Like how Paragus took care of his son Broly, it looks like it might be something similar here.perucho1990 wrote:
I wont mind if they have Caulifla and Kale become OTP, there wont be nothing wrong having lesbian characters.
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I don't see how the introduction of more female character equates to trying to appeal to the waifu/moe anime crowd. Dragon Ball can introduce any kind of character, from any kind of species, and from either gender, as it so fits. Much like it has done in the past. Plus, we're dealing with multiple universes. You don't think there would some strong female fighters among them?precita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.
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Let's put it this way, over the entire span of DBZ we never had a female villain besides 18 for a little bit, and even then she wasn't a big antagonist. Even in the movies all the villains were male besides one of Bojack's henchmen and she only stood out for that reason.Lord Beerus wrote:I don't see how the introduction of more female character equates to trying to appeal to the waifu/moe anime crowd. Dragon Ball can introduce any kind of character, from any kind of species, and from either gender, as it so fits. Much like it has done in the past. Plus, we're dealing with multiple universes. You don't think there would some strong female fighters among them?precita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.
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lol waiting for Akira and Amon's sex sceneperucho1990 wrote:All is missing is having a sex scene(there was 1 in todays Tokyo Ghoul chapter which made tumblr lose their mindprecita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.), but we know it will never ever happen.
I wont mind if they have Caulifla and Kale become OTP, there wont be nothing wrong having lesbian characters.
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"He's finally take some damage!! Emotional damage!!" Gosh, was that supposed to be a joke? I suppose this translation is not official, can't believe Trunks made this pun in the original, it looks so silly.dragon boss z wrote:[spoiler][/spoiler]
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We should get their backstory next week(if they dont appear in tonights episode), i mean the likes of Yurin even got a backstory(a shitty one but still she got it).precita wrote:
Eh, for some reason I think they're going to be sisters. Especially if they both have similar Broly-like transformations, makes sense for them to be related. Like how Paragus took care of his son Broly, it looks like it might be something similar here.
My prediction is that Caulifla suffered from daddy issues, which is why she is a delinquent, kinda resembling how Videl was a tomboy because losing her mom and Mr Satan being way over his head back then with being the Earth savior.
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It's unusual a Dragon Ball arc introduce so many new characters though.precita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.
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What Dragon Ball has done in the past has no bearing at all on what it can do in the future. Female antagonists have been a feature in shonen manga/anime for decades.precita wrote:Let's put it this way, over the entire span of DBZ we never had a female villain besides 18 for a little bit, and even then she wasn't a big antagonist. Even in the movies all the villains were male besides one of Bojack's henchmen and she only stood out for that reason.Lord Beerus wrote:I don't see how the introduction of more female character equates to trying to appeal to the waifu/moe anime crowd. Dragon Ball can introduce any kind of character, from any kind of species, and from either gender, as it so fits. Much like it has done in the past. Plus, we're dealing with multiple universes. You don't think there would some strong female fighters among them?precita wrote:I see Dragonball is really trying to catch on to the waifu/moe anime crowd lately with all these new female fighters, like the two Saiyans and this new green-haired girl. Feels very unusual for Dragonball to have so many new female characters.
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Females have never been relevant as fighters in this series and now they're trying to bring a few in who kinda are so it's obvious pandering to me much like a lot of the other stuff they're doing.Lord Beerus wrote:What Dragon Ball has done in the past has no bearing at all on what it can do in the future. Female antagonists have been a feature in shonen manga/anime for decades.precita wrote:Let's put it this way, over the entire span of DBZ we never had a female villain besides 18 for a little bit, and even then she wasn't a big antagonist. Even in the movies all the villains were male besides one of Bojack's henchmen and she only stood out for that reason.Lord Beerus wrote: I don't see how the introduction of more female character equates to trying to appeal to the waifu/moe anime crowd. Dragon Ball can introduce any kind of character, from any kind of species, and from either gender, as it so fits. Much like it has done in the past. Plus, we're dealing with multiple universes. You don't think there would some strong female fighters among them?
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She's sooo cute ! i doubt she will be as relevant as the female saiyans ! i hope she's strong though i want to see her fight 18 !
Her eyes are creepy to me for some reason, I have the impression she could turn into a snake, a lizard or some kind of monster

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Toriyama didn't make female fighter relevant in the original story of Dragon Ball because he personally chose not to. That's not to say that female fighters in Dragon Ball can't be relevant or shouldn't be relevant.Cursemark505 wrote:Females have never been relevant as fighters in this series and now they're trying to bring a few in who kinda are so it's obvious pandering to me much like a lot of the other stuff they're doing.Lord Beerus wrote:What Dragon Ball has done in the past has no bearing at all on what it can do in the future. Female antagonists have been a feature in shonen manga/anime for decades.precita wrote:
Let's put it this way, over the entire span of DBZ we never had a female villain besides 18 for a little bit, and even then she wasn't a big antagonist. Even in the movies all the villains were male besides one of Bojack's henchmen and she only stood out for that reason.
And Toriyama, by his own admission, can't write female characters beyond the "strong willed" type.
Akira Toriyama wrote:The women I draw all have the same sort of personality. I can’t draw gentle girls; I only know how to draw ones who are strong-willed.
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This is what I've been talking about above with how everyone in super is pretty much on the same level. And the answer to you question is Krillin shouldn't have made Goku go ssj. I still feel like he is supposed to be weaker than first form Frieza on Namek, lmao.Beyond wrote:The only problem with what happened in 90 is Krillin made Goku go SSJ to avoid ring out, but Piccolo couldn't. I don't even think Super believes Krillin is stronger than Piccolo, so one of these two things is wrong. Either Piccolo should have made Goku go SSJ or Krillin shouldn't have.dragon boss z wrote:Ya, I know he got way stronger. He went from below perfect Cell to ssj2 tier. That doesn't automatically make him above base Goku. He didn't even attempt to challenge base Goku, he went right into charging his ki attack.namekiansaiyan wrote:
Gohan said Piccolo got way stronger and that is why he beat him so easy when they was training in episode 88.