"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Is there? At some point, even if new arcs keep getting added, it will really start to feel like endless milking of this "peace-era" gap.

Sure, even if all these other Universes get wiped out but Universe 7 there's still 4 other Universes worth of potential villains to show up.

Back in Dragon Ball Z Buu just showed up and caused problems over the course of 2 days in universe. That accounted for around 70-80 episodes.

Not that it'd need to be anywhere near that long in Super but there's still 4 years before EoZ. I have no doubt that if they wanted to they could drag Super out to 300 episodes before EoZ.

Not that I'd want them to but yeah they could easily do it.

[Basaku]

But before those 2 days of Buu saga the franchise had a major time skip and after it as well. Progress was always part of it. Now, we're getting stuck for over a 100 episodes in the same era

Of course they could milk it for 300 episodes, they could milk it for 3000 if they wanted to. Should they? Absolutely not

[shadowmaria]

Doesn't help that Shenron keeps being summoned for no reason

But considering that he's only used all three wishes twice, surely seven years haven't passed since Buu's defeat ?

(ignoring old guidebook ages for Pan and Bulla, of course)

[shadowmaria]

Sorry for the double post

Battle of Gods - ~One year after the Buu memory erasure wish. Two if considering Wrath of the Dragon canon. (narrator says "some more time passes"
ResF - One year later, confirmed because Pan's age. Also, all three wishes can be used, so at least enough time has passed for the ball's to recharge. All three wishes are used
Uni 6 - One year later, one wish is used.
Future Trunks aftermath - One year later. It's been a year since Goku and Hit last met, the ball's have recharged. One wish is used before Shenron times out.
Tournament of Power - Shenron hasn't been summoned as of yet

Based on this, we're currently only four years post-Buu. Trunks would be 12, Goten would be 11.

(I understand that old guidebooks contradict this slightly with Pan and Bulla, but it's not the first time they've been contradicted in Super. The Universe's shape and design, for example)

[Noah]

This basically confirms what we already know, right?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Grimlock]

Sorry for the double post

Battle of Gods - ~One year after the Buu memory erasure wish. Two if considering Wrath of the Dragon canon. (narrator says "some more time passes"
ResF - One year later, confirmed because Pan's age. Also, all three wishes can be used, so at least enough time has passed for the ball's to recharge. All three wishes are used
Uni 6 - One year later, one wish is used.
Future Trunks aftermath - One year later. It's been a year since Goku and Hit last met, the ball's have recharged. One wish is used before Shenron times out.
Tournament of Power - Shenron hasn't been summoned as of yet

Based on this, we're currently only four years post-Buu. Trunks would be 12, Goten would be 11.

(I understand that old guidebooks contradict this slightly with Pan and Bulla, but it's not the first time they've been contradicted in Super. The Universe's shape and design, for example)

Which version are you talking about? Dragon Ball Super or the movies? If the latter, Movie 14 cannot take place before AGE 776 due to Tarble's OVA and because there are multiple sources stating AGE 778 (Toriyama also sees the movies taking place years after Buu saga).

Universe 6 saga already has its year stated and it's the same as Movie 15's. I understand people want to be so rigid about it, but some things need to be ignored, Shenlong's summoning is one of them, that one that happened in the beginning of Universe 6 saga doesn't count, for example.

[shadowmaria]

Sorry for the double post

Battle of Gods - ~One year after the Buu memory erasure wish. Two if considering Wrath of the Dragon canon. (narrator says "some more time passes"
ResF - One year later, confirmed because Pan's age. Also, all three wishes can be used, so at least enough time has passed for the ball's to recharge. All three wishes are used
Uni 6 - One year later, one wish is used.
Future Trunks aftermath - One year later. It's been a year since Goku and Hit last met, the ball's have recharged. One wish is used before Shenron times out.
Tournament of Power - Shenron hasn't been summoned as of yet

Based on this, we're currently only four years post-Buu. Trunks would be 12, Goten would be 11.

(I understand that old guidebooks contradict this slightly with Pan and Bulla, but it's not the first time they've been contradicted in Super. The Universe's shape and design, for example)

Which version are you talking about? Dragon Ball Super or the movies? If the latter, Movie 14 cannot take place before AGE 776 due to Tarble's OVA and because there are multiple sources stating AGE 778 (Toriyama also sees the movies taking place years after Buu saga).

Universe 6 saga already has its year stated and it's the same as Movie 15's. I understand people want to be so rigid about it, but some things need to be ignored, Shenlong's summoning is one of them, that one that happened in the beginning of Universe 6 saga doesn't count, for example.

Apologies, I shouldn't have been so ambiguous. This is referring to the DBS anime.

When you say the bolded, do you mean because he granted one wish, or because he wasn't able to and was shooed away?

[Grimlock]

Apologies, I shouldn't have been so ambiguous. This is referring to the DBS anime.

When you say the bolded, do you mean because he granted one wish, or because he wasn't able to and was shooed away?

For the anime chronology, you cannot forget that Weekly Shonen Jump clearly stated that Dragon Ball Super begins six months after Buu saga, so there's that too. Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone who owns the manga or have a way to read the cover), I heard that in the cover of Dragon Ball Super manga also states that.

No, I say that because of the year Universe 6 saga takes place. In order for it to happen in AGE 779, that wish must not be considered, otherwise... plothole. Also, considering that wish didn't happen in the manga and taking into account the whole context of the scene in the anime, one could say that summoning Shenlong in that moment was a Toei's exclusive idea.

[shadowmaria]

Apologies, I shouldn't have been so ambiguous. This is referring to the DBS anime.

When you say the bolded, do you mean because he granted one wish, or because he wasn't able to and was shooed away?

For the anime chronology, you cannot forget that Weekly Shonen Jump clearly stated that Dragon Ball Super begins six months after Buu saga, so there's that too. Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone who owns the manga or have a way to read the cover), I heard that in the cover of Dragon Ball Super manga also states that.

No, I say that because of the year Universe 6 saga takes place. In order for it to happen in AGE 779, that wish must not be considered, otherwise... plothole. Also, considering that wish didn't happen in the manga and taking into account the whole context of the scene in the anime, one could say that summoning Shenlong in that moment was a Toei's exclusive idea.

You're right about the six months. That had admittedly slipped my mind. I'm at work at the moment, so I can't check the manga - but what's why I'm discussing the anime only at the moment

Looking at the use of the Dragon Ball's in the Universe 6 arc, it seems that the summoning happened, but the wish didn't count because Shenron wasn't able to grant it, and was therefore sent away by Beerus. I haven't rewatched the episode to confirm, but that's how it goes from memory and double-checking episode summaries. So Toei exclusive; but no wishes made anyway

[dragon boss z]

Apologies, I shouldn't have been so ambiguous. This is referring to the DBS anime.

When you say the bolded, do you mean because he granted one wish, or because he wasn't able to and was shooed away?

For the anime chronology, you cannot forget that Weekly Shonen Jump clearly stated that Dragon Ball Super begins six months after Buu saga, so there's that too. Correct me if I'm wrong (anyone who owns the manga or have a way to read the cover), I heard that in the cover of Dragon Ball Super manga also states that.

No, I say that because of the year Universe 6 saga takes place. In order for it to happen in AGE 779, that wish must not be considered, otherwise... plothole. Also, considering that wish didn't happen in the manga and taking into account the whole context of the scene in the anime, one could say that summoning Shenlong in that moment was a Toei's exclusive idea.

You're right about the six months. That had admittedly slipped my mind. I'm at work at the moment, so I can't check the manga - but what's why I'm discussing the anime only at the moment

Looking at the use of the Dragon Ball's in the Universe 6 arc, it seems that the summoning happened, but the wish didn't count because Shenron wasn't able to grant it, and was therefore sent away by Beerus. I haven't rewatched the episode to confirm, but that's how it goes from memory and double-checking episode summaries. So Toei exclusive; but no wishes made anyway

It was stated some months passed after the Buu wish, and going by the timeline (I think Toei may of confirmed this) the fight with Beerus takes place like 3 or 4 years after the Buu saga.

[GodVegetto91]

This basically confirms what we already know, right?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Who wrote this? Someone in a position of authority?

[shadowmaria]

This basically confirms what we already know, right?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Who wrote this? Someone in a position of authority?

There was a video interview with Toyotaro last week or the week before where he said almost the same thing verbatim. I can't get the link at the moment, but it's on YouTube

[GodKaio-Ken]

But before those 2 days of Buu saga the franchise had a major time skip and after it as well. Progress was always part of it. Now, we're getting stuck for over a 100 episodes in the same era

Of course they could milk it for 300 episodes, they could milk it for 3000 if they wanted to. Should they? Absolutely not

Yeah it just seems a bit weird that all of this would happen in such a condensed time. I mean I can buy it so far but if they keep adding on it will just get harder and harder.

[Alruneia]

But before those 2 days of Buu saga the franchise had a major time skip and after it as well. Progress was always part of it. Now, we're getting stuck for over a 100 episodes in the same era

Of course they could milk it for 300 episodes, they could milk it for 3000 if they wanted to. Should they? Absolutely not

Looking at this in terms of episode count feels dishonest to me, as arcs back in Z also lasted in the neighbourhood of 100 episodes. For a better perspective of how we're stuck, consider this: The Universe Survival arc is the fifth arc placed in one era. Thinking of it that way makes it so much worse.

[GodKaio-Ken]

But before those 2 days of Buu saga the franchise had a major time skip and after it as well. Progress was always part of it. Now, we're getting stuck for over a 100 episodes in the same era

Of course they could milk it for 300 episodes, they could milk it for 3000 if they wanted to. Should they? Absolutely not

Looking at this in terms of episode count feels dishonest to me, as arcs back in Z also lasted in the neighbourhood of 100 episodes. For a better perspective of how we're stuck, consider this: The Universe Survival arc is the fifth arc placed in one era. Thinking of it that way makes it so much worse.

To be fair though they do flow into eachother fairly well. Especially the last 3 arcs. I can believe they all happened in relatively short time.

Especially since the U6 tournament ended up causing both Zamasu and the T.O.P

Like I said though the longer it keeps going after this the less believable it will be.

[Bullza]

But before those 2 days of Buu saga the franchise had a major time skip and after it as well. Progress was always part of it. Now, we're getting stuck for over a 100 episodes in the same era

Of course they could milk it for 300 episodes, they could milk it for 3000 if they wanted to. Should they? Absolutely not

Well why not? What's the big deal with a time skip? All we'd be getting is Uub and a few of the side characters would have an older appearance.

There's not a huge thing to gain from it. There isn't a vital need for any major time skips. One Piece is 80 odd volumes long and that only had one time skip of 2 years.

They aren't exactly limited in the story they can tell by not jumping past EoZ. All the potential storylines can be told without going past that.

[GodKaio-Ken]

But before those 2 days of Buu saga the franchise had a major time skip and after it as well. Progress was always part of it. Now, we're getting stuck for over a 100 episodes in the same era

Of course they could milk it for 300 episodes, they could milk it for 3000 if they wanted to. Should they? Absolutely not

Well why not? What's the big deal with a time skip? All we'd be getting is Uub and a few of the side characters would have an older appearance.

There's not a huge thing to gain from it. There isn't a vital need for any major time skips. One Piece is 80 odd volumes long and that only had one time skip of 2 years.

They aren't exactly limited in the story they can tell by not jumping past EoZ. All the potential storylines can be told without going past that.

Dragon Ball has always had a realistic sense of time that made it charming. Thats the issue.

[HeroR]

Dragon Ball has always had a realistic sense of time that made it charming. Thats the issue.

That's a joke right? The same series that brought us "five minutes until Name explodes".

[GodKaio-Ken]

Dragon Ball has always had a realistic sense of time that made it charming. Thats the issue.

That's a joke right? The same series that brought us "five minutes until Name explodes".

Thats not what I'm talking about AT ALL.

I mean in terms of characters lives passing by, growing, etc. It makes no sense for Earth to be in danger every couple months is basically what I'm saying.

Trunks and Goten will never grow up sadly. That ties into the problems Super has though.

[HeroR]

Dragon Ball has always had a realistic sense of time that made it charming. Thats the issue.

That's a joke right? The same series that brought us "five minutes until Name explodes".

Thats not what I'm talking about AT ALL.

I mean in terms of characters lives passing by, growing, etc. It makes no sense for Earth to be in danger every couple months is basically what I'm saying.

Trunks and Goten will never grow up sadly. That ties into the problems Super has though.

In Super, the Earth has been in danger twice. One by Beerus and the other by Freeza. Both that takes place a year from each other.

And this is only a problem with some with Super. Most don't care.