"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

That's a pretty dumb plot point for Toei to say Goku has never kissed his own wife as far I'm aware that isn't true to me. It's pretty much in the same league with GT (non canon) because Goku has definitely kissed ChiChi.

There is no physical proof that Goku kiss Chi-Chi other than the dub implied kiss in the Cell Saga.

That's a pretty dumb plot point for Toei to say Goku has never kissed his own wife as far I'm aware that isn't true to me. It's pretty much in the same league with GT (non canon) because Goku has definitely kissed ChiChi.

The same joke was in the manga, it was probably Toriyama.

Amusingly, the anime made it sound like a miscommunication. Vegeta was talking about kissing, while Goku was talking about given a Senzu through the mouth. In the manga, it just straight up tells you that Goku has never kiss his wife and finds the idea disturbing.

[SaiyanGod117]

That's a pretty dumb plot point for Toei to say Goku has never kissed his own wife as far I'm aware that isn't true to me. It's pretty much in the same league with GT (non canon) because Goku has definitely kissed ChiChi.

The same joke was in the manga, it was probably Toriyama.

I still find it hard to believe Toriyama came up with BS, if he did some Toei writers probably egged him on to do so, because they love their unfunny gag jokes. Also, in the DBS manga I remembered Toyotaro reworded it a little bit, to make it seem less true or something like that. I forgot how he reworded in the manga and really don't feel like checking.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

That's a pretty dumb plot point for Toei to say Goku has never kissed his own wife as far I'm aware that isn't true to me. It's pretty much in the same league with GT (non canon) because Goku has definitely kissed ChiChi.

The same joke was in the manga, it was probably Toriyama.

I still find it hard to believe Toriyama came up with BS, if he did some Toei writers probably egged him on to do so, because they love their unfunny gag jokes. Also, in the DBS manga I remembered Toyotaro reworded it a little bit, to make it seem less true or something like that. I forgot how he reworded in the manga and really don't feel like checking.

I think it's probably more wishful thinking on your part. The gag is very Toriyama-esque, and it doesn't even affect the world in a tremendously negative way. The only evidence we have points to it being his idea. You don't have to like it, you can even ignore it, but it's there nonetheless.

[SaiyanGod117]

There is no physical proof that Goku kiss Chi-Chi other than the dub implied kiss in the Cell Saga.

Of course there is he's been married to his wife for decades now, makes no sense it all for him to haven't. It's shitty writing. Furthermore that kiss that was in the anime wasn't dub implied or it made the kissing sound in the sub too. You can check, you will hear it.

[Basaku]

And the Buu Saga was decades ago, so what it set up or didn't set up is moot.

Great. Let's remove Goku from the show. What, you just said what happened and was set up decades ago is moot so what's the problem?

And you don't need to kiss a woman to father kids. Not sure why that's so hard to wrap your head around.

There's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much.

Source: common sense, personal and anecdotal experience, logic, entire history of mankind etc.

Don't worry. One day you will understand

[SaiyanGod117]

I think it's probably more wishful thinking on your part. The gag is very Toriyama-esque, and it doesn't even affect the world in a tremendously negative way. The only evidence we have points to it being his idea. You don't have to like it, you can even ignore it, but it's there nonetheless.

Which I'm doing right now, it's noncanon.

[HeroR]

I still find it hard to believe Toriyama came up with BS, if he did some Toei writers probably egged him on to do so, because they love their unfunny gag jokes. Also, in the DBS manga I remembered Toyotaro reworded it a little bit, to make it seem less true or something like that. I forgot how he reworded in the manga and really don't feel like checking.

Wishful thinking on your part. Here is the exact quote from the manga:

Goku: What the...!? He's seriously doing something like that!?

Vegeta: Wait...? you've never done it before!

Goku: Huh? Done what?

Vegeta: Umm...a kiss.

Goku: Of course I haven't!

Vegeta: But you're married...!

Goku: Huh? How is that related?

Vegeta: Nevermind

But hey, don't like me stop the "Blame Toei for everything you hate in Super" train.

And the Buu Saga was decades ago, so what it set up or didn't set up is moot.

Great. Let's remove Goku from the show. What, you just said what happened and was set up decades ago is moot so what's the problem?

And you don't need to kiss a woman to father kids. Not sure why that's so hard to wrap your head around.

There's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much.

Source: common sense, personal and anecdotal experience, logic, entire history of mankind etc.

Don't worry. One day you will understand

Except Goku has been getting focused since the end of the Buu Saga. Goten and Trunks haven't.

Source: From your ass. Unless you met everyone on the planet and in history, and they talked about their love life, you have no clue that "there's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much".

All you need to do to make a baby is for a man to stick their dicks inside a woman, cum, and the woman having an egg ready to fertilize. No kissing require.

And for the record, I am in my thirties and have a perfect understanding how sex works.

[perucho1990]

I still find it hard to believe Toriyama came up with BS, if he did some Toei writers probably egged him on to do so, because they love their unfunny gag jokes. Also, in the DBS manga I remembered Toyotaro reworded it a little bit, to make it seem less true or something like that. I forgot how he reworded in the manga and really don't feel like checking.

He also came up with the Monaca gag which was dumb too.

Toyotaro already mentioned that Him and Toei get the outline from Toriyama and do their own thing, and both Toei and Toyotaro did the same "Goku never kissed Chichi" joke, its obvious the idea came from the Toriyama.

Mafuba, Goku not getting the seal, Potara retcon also came from Toriyama.

[SaiyanGod117]

I still find it hard to believe Toriyama came up with BS, if he did some Toei writers probably egged him on to do so, because they love their unfunny gag jokes. Also, in the DBS manga I remembered Toyotaro reworded it a little bit, to make it seem less true or something like that. I forgot how he reworded in the manga and really don't feel like checking.

He also came up with the Monaca gag which was dumb too.

Toyotaro already mentioned that Him and Toei get the outline from Toriyama and do their own thing, and both Toei and Toyotaro did the same "Goku never kissed Chichi" joke, its obvious the idea came from the Toriyama.

Mafuba, Goku not getting the seal, Potara retcon also came from Toriyama.

I have no problem with the Monaka gag, Mafuba, or Goku not getting seal, the kiss seems un-toriyama though. If it is fine doesn't change that the bulk of bad writing comes from Toei.

[Simere]

I still find it hard to believe Toriyama came up with BS, if he did some Toei writers probably egged him on to do so, because they love their unfunny gag jokes. Also, in the DBS manga I remembered Toyotaro reworded it a little bit, to make it seem less true or something like that. I forgot how he reworded in the manga and really don't feel like checking.

He also came up with the Monaca gag which was dumb too.

Toyotaro already mentioned that Him and Toei get the outline from Toriyama and do their own thing, and both Toei and Toyotaro did the same "Goku never kissed Chichi" joke, its obvious the idea came from the Toriyama.

Mafuba, Goku not getting the seal, Potara retcon also came from Toriyama.

He also said they share information between each other, so you can't actually declare something was in the outline just because it was in both the anime and manga.

[HeroR]

I have no problem with the Monaka gag, Mafuba, or Goku not getting seal, the kiss seems un-toriyama though. If it is fine doesn't change that the bulk of bad writing comes from Toei.

You don't know Toriyama well then since a similar joke is in Dr. Slump.

[Basaku]

Except Goku has been getting focused since the end of the Buu Saga. Goten and Trunks haven't.

Based on past events. Thus Super, based on past events, shouldn't sideline Goten/Trunks the extreme way it did.

Source: From your ass. Unless you met everyone on the planet and in history, and they talked about their love life, you have no clue that "there's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much".

All you need to do to make a baby is for a man to stick their dicks inside a woman, cum, and the woman having an egg ready to fertilize. No kissing require.

No, it can't be... are you sure? I though a fairy was knocking on the window after a man sticks his penis into a vagina.

It's was a dumb line to write for Goku and pointless extreme flanderization of his character and tons of people rolled their eyes. But I guess you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super.

[HeroR]

Except Goku has been getting focused since the end of the Buu Saga. Goten and Trunks haven't.

Based on past events. Thus Super, based on past events, shouldn't sideline Goten/Trunks the extreme way it did.

Source: From your ass. Unless you met everyone on the planet and in history, and they talked about their love life, you have no clue that "there's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much".

All you need to do to make a baby is for a man to stick their dicks inside a woman, cum, and the woman having an egg ready to fertilize. No kissing require.

No, it can't be... are you sure? I though a fairy was knocking on the window after a man sticks his penis into a vagina.

It's was a dumb line to write for Goku and pointless extreme flanderization of his character and tons of people rolled their eyes. But I guess you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super.

Goten and Trunks are sideline because Toriyama doesn't want to used them. It is that simple. And the audience doesn't have a real investment with them, so they wouldn't care to 'grow' with them unlike Goku and Gohan.

It is a joke that the fandom decided to take seriously and it fits Goku just fine since he had no clue what a relationship is and was forced into one. It's only flanderization for people who don't understand that. Or think that kissing is required to have kids.

Oh the, "you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super line". Can't you come up with something original? This comes off as whining and the first mark of someone who has no argument.

[Boo Machine]

It's was a dumb line to write for Goku and pointless extreme flanderization of his character and tons of people rolled their eyes. But I guess you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super.

I don't think he is necessarily defending it. I think the point is that kissing isn't a requirement for children.

[SaiyanGod117]

I have no problem with the Monaka gag, Mafuba, or Goku not getting seal, the kiss seems un-toriyama though. If it is fine doesn't change that the bulk of bad writing comes from Toei.

You don't know Toriyama well then since a similar joke is in Dr. Slump.

This isn't Dr. Slump, this is Dragon Ball. If someone who knew nothing about Toriyama read Dragon Ball for the first time, they wouldn't have able to tell they were the made by the same author. Maybe during the first chapters, but once it gets to the Piccolo Daimo arc and after it's unrecognizable, maybe a little bit even before then.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It's was a dumb line to write for Goku and pointless extreme flanderization of his character and tons of people rolled their eyes. But I guess you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super.

I don't think he is necessarily defending it. I think the point is that kissing isn't a requirement for children.

I think the wider point should be that it's there whether the individual likes it or not, and denying it when there's no passable evidence to the contrary is nonsense. The secondary claim is that it's a dumb inclusion, which whether is true or not, it's irrelevant. It's been done for ages, doesn't adversely affect the universe, and is just a catalyst for needless complaining at this point.

[HeroR]

This isn't Dr. Slump, this is Dragon Ball. If someone who knew nothing about Toriyama read Dragon Ball for the first time, they wouldn't have able to tell they were the made by the same author. Maybe during the first chapters, but once it gets to the Piccolo Daimo arc and after it's done deal, maybe a little bit even before then.

Same author and Dragon Ball had many of the same gags as Dr. Slump even in later chapters. They're just not as apparent. I suggest you actually read Slump if you haven't already.

I think the wider point should be that it's there whether the individual likes it or not, and denying it when there's no passable evidence to the contrary is nonsense. The secondary claim is that it's a dumb inclusion, which whether is true or not, it's irrelevant. It's been done for ages, doesn't adversely affect the universe, and it just a catalyst for needless complaining at this point.

That is basically my point. It is a gag that doesn't affect the wider story or universe, and I don't know why people took it so personally to the point that they still complain about it. It isn't like they're married to Goku.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

This isn't Dr. Slump, this is Dragon Bal.

That doesnt change the fact that both series were writen by Toriyama himself.

[Boo Machine]

It's was a dumb line to write for Goku and pointless extreme flanderization of his character and tons of people rolled their eyes. But I guess you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super.

I don't think he is necessarily defending it. I think the point is that kissing isn't a requirement for children.

I think the wider point should be that it's there whether the individual likes it or not, and denying it when there's no passable evidence to the contrary is nonsense. The secondary claim is that it's a dumb inclusion, which whether is true or not, it's irrelevant. It's been done for ages, doesn't adversely affect the universe, and it just a catalyst for needless complaining at this point.

True.

Honestly if I didn't hang around these forums as often as I do, I would never even have known many people took issue with it. Seems like one of those small gags that would get a chuckle or a scoff at most and then forgotten about.

[Basaku]

Goten and Trunks are sideline because Toriyama doesn't want to used them. It is that simple. And the audience doesn't have a real investment with them, so they wouldn't care to 'grow' with them unlike Goku and Gohan.

It is a joke that the fandom decided to take seriously and it fits Goku just fine since he had no clue what a relationship is and was forced into one. It's only flanderization for people who don't understand that. Or think that kissing is required to have kids.

Oh the, "you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super" line. Can't you come up with something original? This comes off as whining.

What Toriyama personlly wants to write for Super and what's the best course of action, use of characters, division of roles etc. is not automatically the same.

If Chi-Chi managed to force Goku into marraige, force his penis to get hard and force it inside her she would have zero issues forcing him to kiss

So no, actually that joke didn't fit him nor his situation at all.

And really, your quest to defend a failed joke in the franchise comes off as whining. Even comedic/storytelling geniuses (assuming for a moment that Toriyama is one) make mistakes. It's ok, the world keeps on going.