"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

Freeza turning good would be jump the shark fanfiction and would literally make me quit Super.

Thankfully there's no chance of that happening. Freeza will always be evil and he'll probably betray Goku/Universe 7 team at some point in the tournament or go rogue.

People keep using the term fanfiction, but I don't think they know what it means.

As we all know, any idea that's ever been used in fanfiction is automatically bad and uncreative. So, that means there can never exist any good ideas.

[HeroR]

Fanfiction is when something so bad or unrealistic happens in canon. Super has aspects of that (female Saiyans, a Broly-type character, Freeza's constant returns), but there has to be a place where you draw the line.

Freeza becoming a "good guy" like Vegeta would be such a god awful disgrace and slap in the face to the entire Dragonball franchise, ruin Freeza's character, make all the heroes look like idiots, and destroy any integrity this show has left. But I don't think that will happen so it doesn't matter.

My guess is Freeza will turn out to be the main villain after or during the tournament.

That isn't what fanfiction is. Fanfiction is just fiction written by fans. It quality varies like everything else.

Hyperbolic much. The same thing could be said about Vegeta after the Saiyan Saga.

[Kanassa]

Hyperbolic much. The same thing could be said about Vegeta after the Saiyan Saga.

Hey! Vegeta was just misunderstood!

[Grimlock]

Fanfiction is when something so bad or unrealistic happens in canon. Super has aspects of that (female Saiyans)

How in the world is female Saiyans a fanfiction/bad thing!?

[Lord Beerus]

You're kinda right.

Isn't that a sticker? What's that?

It's too big to be a sticker.

[precita]

Fanfiction is when something so bad or unrealistic happens in canon. Super has aspects of that (female Saiyans, a Broly-type character, Freeza's constant returns), but there has to be a place where you draw the line.

Freeza becoming a "good guy" like Vegeta would be such a god awful disgrace and slap in the face to the entire Dragonball franchise, ruin Freeza's character, make all the heroes look like idiots, and destroy any integrity this show has left. But I don't think that will happen so it doesn't matter.

My guess is Freeza will turn out to be the main villain after or during the tournament.

That isn't what fanfiction is. Fanfiction is just fiction written by fans. It quality varies like everything else.

Hyperbolic much. The same thing could be said about Vegeta after the Saiyan Saga.

Freeza was the main overlord villain of the franchise and conqueror of the universe, killed Goku's friends right in front of him, is always portrayed as pure evil with no care for others, already came back twice in canon (cyborg Freeza and Golden Freeza) to get his revenge and failed, and was also the cause of the loss of Saiyans in the universe.

We never got much info on Vegeta prior to his introduction aside from a few anime-only flashbacks. Vegeta never killed any of Goku's friends directly (I always thought it was noticeable Nappa kills them all and he dies), and then was an uneasy ally on Namek and even in the Cell saga. It took Vegeta all the way until the Buu arc to "settle down."

[Lord Beerus]

Fanfiction is when something so bad or unrealistic happens in canon. Super has aspects of that (female Saiyans, a Broly-type character, Freeza's constant returns), but there has to be a place where you draw the line.

Freeza becoming a "good guy" like Vegeta would be such a god awful disgrace and slap in the face to the entire Dragonball franchise, ruin Freeza's character, make all the heroes look like idiots, and destroy any integrity this show has left. But I don't think that will happen so it doesn't matter.

My guess is Freeza will turn out to be the main villain after or during the tournament.

That isn't what fanfiction is. Fanfiction is just fiction written by fans. It quality varies like everything else.

Hyperbolic much. The same thing could be said about Vegeta after the Saiyan Saga.

Freeza was the main overlord villain of the franchise and conqueror of the universe, killed Goku's friends right in front of him, is always portrayed as pure evil with no care for others, already came back twice in canon (cyborg Freeza and Golden Freeza) to get his revenge and failed, and was also the cause of the loss of Saiyans in the universe.

We never got much info on Vegeta prior to his introduction aside from a few anime-only flashbacks. Vegeta never killed any of Goku's friends directly (I always thought it was noticeable Nappa kills them all and he dies), and then was an uneasy ally on Namek and even in the Cell saga. It took Vegeta all the way until the Buu arc to "settle down."

To be fair, Vegeta is really no better than Freeza up until the point he fights Majin Boo. He still slaughters innocent people on Namek and on Earth just because he could. And that's not even taking into consideration all the spiteful and downright evil shit he did just to extend the plot and make things harder for everyone. Even when he knew the severe consequences of it.

[HeroR]

Freeza was the main overlord villain of the franchise and conqueror of the universe, killed Goku's friends right in front of him, is always portrayed as pure evil with no care for others, already came back twice in canon (cyborg Freeza and Golden Freeza) to get his revenge and failed, and was also the cause of the loss of Saiyans in the universe.

We never got much info on Vegeta prior to his introduction aside from a few anime-only flashbacks. Vegeta never killed any of Goku's friends directly (I always thought it was noticeable Nappa kills them all and he dies), and then was an uneasy ally on Namek and even in the Cell saga. It took Vegeta all the way until the Buu arc to "settle down."

Vegeta was a mass murder space pirate who happily performed genocide, wanted to take Frieza's place as ruler of the universe, and oversaw the murder of almost all the Z-Fighters. So, what's your point about Freeza?

To be fair, Vegeta is really no better than Freeza up until the point he fight Majin Boo. He still slaughters innocent people on Namek and on Earth just because he could. And that's not even taking into consideration all the spite and downright evil shit he did just to extend the plot and make things harder for everyone. Even when he knew the severe consequences of it.

Thank you. People forget what an asshole Vegeta was even far into the Buu Saga. Saying Freeza is too evil to reform is laughable when you have Vegeta who was only slightly less evil.

[Alruneia]

Freeza turning into a Z fighter after this tournament wouldn't surprise me as crazy as that sounds. He won't be the first enemy of Goku turned into ally, although nobody went as far as Freeza did in terms of despicable crimes.

I don't want Frieza as a complete ally, at least not yet, but I'd enjoy a reluctant alliance. Frieza in the same role as Vegeta during Namek, where he and Goku and co. end up having to work together even though their philosophies and (initial) end goals are different. If he's going to become good, or more preferrably neutral, it has to be a slow change driven by situations that force character development.

[SaiyanGod117]

Frieza becoming an ally is just bad writing, I can't believe some people are actually for that. The difference between how evil Frieza is and how evil Vegeta was is a big gap.

[HeroR]

Personally, if Freeza become somewhat an ally I hope they go the Crocodile from One Piece route.

[ArchedThunder]

I really doubt Freeza will become good. His evilness will be played up fully for drama and he won't be redeemed.

[SansrivaaL]

Regardless of the gap between Vegeta and Freeza's evil deeds, both are still up there who committed mass murder for fun, Goku even admits he doesnt see Vegeta ever turning good back in the saiyan arc until later he was proved wrong (well, sort of), I think he's willing to give Freeza the benefit of the doubt, almost every shonen heroes do that, forgiveness and changing the big bad is what they do best, it shows the young boys that anyone can change, they just need that first step. Tho I doubt Freeza will change its not out of character for Goku to accept Freeza and recruit him, I wouldnt mind if Freeza doesnt change, it would be better if he doesnt, he's too iconic to become a good guy.

[perucho1990]

Fanfiction is when something so bad or unrealistic happens in canon. Super has aspects of that (female Saiyans, a Broly-type character, Freeza's constant returns), but there has to be a place where you draw the line.

Freeza becoming a "good guy" like Vegeta would be such a god awful disgrace and slap in the face to the entire Dragonball franchise, ruin Freeza's character, make all the heroes look like idiots, and destroy any integrity this show has left. But I don't think that will happen so it doesn't matter.

My guess is Freeza will turn out to be the main villain after or during the tournament.

Whats wrong with female saiyans? A lof DB fans always wanted strong female characters/female saiyans in the show.

Frieza wont turn good, Frost will be the one that turns good, for a reason he said he wanted to redeem himself in the ToP.

[Lord Beerus]

Frieza becoming an ally is just bad writing, I can't believe some people are actually for that. The difference between how evil Frieza is and how evil Vegeta was is a big gap.

No, it really isn't/wasn't. Vegeta was just as bad as Freeza. I mean, he was literally told he was going straight to hell in the Majin Boo arc even when he was going to sacrifice himself to save his family and attempt to kill Majin Boo.

[SaiyanGod117]

Frieza becoming an ally is just bad writing, I can't believe some people are actually for that. The difference between how evil Frieza is and how evil Vegeta was is a big gap.

No, it really isn't/wasn't. Vegeta was just as bad as Freeza. I mean, he was literally told he was going straight to hell in the Majin Boo arc even when he was going to sacrifice himself to save his family and attempt to kill Majin Boo.

As it should be. Sacrificing himself for a problem he himeself being one the main contributors of, should not wipe away sins.

[FortuneSSJ]

-Freeza become good-

Toriyama has the balls to make it happen, but it's a risky move and honestly I'm not feeling it.
If there's one character that should never become good is Freeza. He's the most iconic villain of anime/manga industry and people love him because of how evil he is.

If they want to have a good guy from his race Frost is waiting for them to do something interesting with him.

[kinisking]

Frieza becoming an ally is just bad writing, I can't believe some people are actually for that. The difference between how evil Frieza is and how evil Vegeta was is a big gap.

No, it really isn't/wasn't. Vegeta was just as bad as Freeza. I mean, he was literally told he was going straight to hell in the Majin Boo arc even when he was going to sacrifice himself to save his family and attempt to kill Majin Boo.

Basically, just because Vegetas atrocities happened off screen doesn't mean he was any better. His kill count is probably much higher due to being a henchmen. And I don't want to hear that crap about him being forced to follow orders, he killed people by his own choice.

[Kanassa]

Basically, just because Vegetas atrocities happened off screen doesn't mean he was any better. His kill count is probably much higher due to being a henchmen. And I don't want to hear that crap about him being forced to follow orders, he killed people by his own choice.

Fuck, Vegeta probably would have killed MORE people if he wasn't on Frieza's leash. rieza wants to capture planets, Vegeta would just destroy them for the funzies.

[perucho1990]

Full detailed preview is out.

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Kale seiyuu is the same one that voiced Isane in Bleach, Shirahoshi in OP.

Beerus is such a savage that wanted to Hakai Krillin for quitting the team, idk but I like how realistic Beerus looks to be portrayed.