"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Lord Frieza]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's getting to the point where even know tired of the buildup episodes. Lets start the tournament of power already. What's even the point of episode 94?

It hasn't even aired yet so I don't know how you can say what's the point of it.

This assassin thing is going nowhere. Toei and the audience know it.

Considering it's involving Sidra and not random mooks like the #17 thing, we don't know if it's going "nowhere".

[HeroR]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

Speak for yourself. I never had a problem with Super's pacing until now and I thought the Future Trunks Saga had great pacing outside of the Episode 66. Sabotage would have been interesting a few weeks ago, but at this point I just want the tournament to start already.

[SansrivaaL]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

Speak for yourself. I never had a problem with Super's pacing until now and I thought the Future Trunks Saga had great pacing outside of the Episode 66. Sabotage would have been interesting a few weeks ago, but at this point I just want the tournament to start already.

Seconded, I never once complained about the pacing (until now), I actually like fast paced stories that gets to the point straight away, while I'm ok with long build up stuffs as well but DBS isnt really doing a good enough job to entertain me with these recruitment eps, I just want the tournament to start already.

[The gr]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

I don't mind the sabotaging from another Universe but at This point it feels drawn out,I would have preferred if they removed the poacher episode and the dojo, then I would be fine with 94

[Chuquita]

Thirding that the pacing is too slow this arc. I'd rather they have spent half the number of recruiting episodes and be at least two or three episodes into the tournament by now.

I can handle slow pacing when there's a weekly manga series, but without it as an excuse this pace feels archaic.

[omaro34]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

Nobody is saying we don't want world building. Nobody is saying we don't a slower pace. But this is way too slow. There are episodes during this recruitment arc that we didn't need to see. There has to be a fine balance.

The whole point of this arc is the tournament, that's why it can't be compared to the Namek arc being so long because the Namek arc had a continual story, whereas this current arc hasn't even reached it's purpose and we are 5 months in.

[perucho1990]

I wouldn't be surprised if they made a small update to the opening before then to replace Buu with Freeza. The ending will be replaced on 97, just as it is every cour.

And also they bother in adding Caulifla to the opening. She has gotten hype in the Jump magazine covers to the point it doesnt feel she will be a throwaway character

We should get the tournament soon, with Nakao mentioning that he already finished recording a scene with Frost planning something, if its true a DBS episode takes 6 weeks to be finished, then it connects that the tournament will start in episode 97.

If U9 gets caught cheating then the one what will handle the execution of U9 should be Daishinkan, its time we see him show some feats.

[Lord Frieza]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

Speak for yourself. I never had a problem with Super's pacing until now and I thought the Future Trunks Saga had great pacing outside of the Episode 66. Sabotage would have been interesting a few weeks ago, but at this point I just want the tournament to start already.

Why would I speak for myself when I'm pointing out my perceived views of this fan-bases inconsistent view of the run time of an arc? Half the complaints about the Black arc were "it felt rushed".

I DO NOT CARE myself. The break neck paces of the older arc means we get to the end quicker but that lead to some pretty poorly passed story elements when time was really needed. The longer time allows for the story to develop a bit more naturally....not counting the other issues the show can have.

Seconded, I never once complained about the pacing (until now), I actually like fast paced stories that gets to the point straight away, while I'm ok with long build up stuffs as well but DBS isnt really doing a good enough job to entertain me with these recruitment eps, I just want the tournament to start already.

Thats fair enough but we are coming to what could be the most genuinely interesting one of the bunch, one that is not just Goku goes here, asks and fights then someone added to team.

The single biggest upside to this is that we are spending some more time with characters who will be effectively killed off after this arc unless something changes. All the kais and GoD will be gone and their narrative potential will die with them. In fact we may never once see them fight or use their power outside this arc so I personally welcome the chance to see more of Sidra before his death. The one and only thing I do not like about this arc is that its expanding the universe of DB, just so it can kill off and cut back a pretty large chunk of it.

So I for one am in no hurry.

[emperior]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

I wanted to write the exact same thing. They are actually taking their time with this arc? I'm completely fine with it. The episodes look good and are enjoyable, and if all this padding means they have more time to work on the tournament episodes to make them as good as possible, then so be it. Some months ago I actually wrote I would have been fine with the tournament starting even at episode 100, as long as the tournament is good, and I still believe it. Sure, I would like to see the tournament starting but I prefer to wait rather than having it immediately and then complain about the quality.

[omaro34]

All I can say is, after all of these pre-tournament episodes, and after 5-6 months of waiting, this tournament better fucking deliver. Otherwise I consider this arc an utter failure, doesn't matter how good the episodes before the tournament were. You've been advertising this thing since the start of 2017, I hope they can deliver.

[Lord Frieza]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

Nobody is saying we don't want world building. Nobody is saying we don't a slower pace. But this is way too slow. There are episodes during this recruitment arc that we didn't need to see. There has to be a fine balance.

The whole point of this arc is the tournament, that's why it can't be compared to the Namek arc being so long because the Namek arc had a continual story, whereas this current arc hasn't even reached it's purpose and we are 5 months in.

Well would you rather we have a repeat of the U6 arc? Which was rushed. with Botamo's fight being a joke, Frost's fight looked terrible, Magetta's was over to fast, Cabba was glorified training session and then we got to Hit.

We are building up to what is the Tournament to end all Tournaments, we needed time to rebuild the old team and add some new members but above all else we want the Tournament to not be the inconsistent mess the U6 arc was, something that is a very real possibility given how big it is.

[Hit!!]

I love year long Dragon Ball Arcs. They are the most enjoyable and the ones that build the most tension. If the black arc took its time, things would've been different.

[Lord Frieza]

I love year long Dragon Ball Arcs. They are the most enjoyable and the ones that build the most tension. If the black arc took its time, things would've been different.

Exactly, most of the problems with Trunks in that arc could be solved if given time. We could have had him train with Vegeta, have him learn from Goku, have time to build up SSR, have time for him to learn the Mafuba more realistically and have him learn Genki power ...not pull it out his ass.

[omaro34]

People spent forever bitching that not much has happend during the "Gathering Fighters " stage, saying we want more to happen......then when we actually get to a truly interesting moment in the narrative of the build up, one universe trying to sabotage another, people want to skip it. Well thats humans for you. Ad to that the fact that during the u6 and Black arc people were complaining that the arcs were to short and now we get an arc thats actually taking its time....I do wander if people even know what they want.

Nobody is saying we don't want world building. Nobody is saying we don't a slower pace. But this is way too slow. There are episodes during this recruitment arc that we didn't need to see. There has to be a fine balance.

The whole point of this arc is the tournament, that's why it can't be compared to the Namek arc being so long because the Namek arc had a continual story, whereas this current arc hasn't even reached it's purpose and we are 5 months in.

Well would you rather we have a repeat of the U6 arc? Which was rushed. with Botamo's fight being a joke, Frost's fight looked terrible, Magetta's was over to fast, Cabba was glorified training session and then we got to Hit.

We are building up to what is the Tournament to end all Tournaments, we needed time to rebuild the old team and add some new members but above all else we want the Tournament to not be the inconsistent mess the U6 arc was, something that is a very real possibility given how big it is.

No I wouldn't want a repeat of U6 arc's pacing. When I say there needs to be a fine balance that's not what I mean. A fine balance means having effective pacing while showing quality material. They are testing the fandom's patience at this point, they have milked this thing as much as possible already, it's just time to start the tournament. 5-6 months of hyping it up is good enough. Half a year should be plenty of time to ensure the tournament itself would have quality episodes.

I'm not saying the arc should be short, the tournament itself and whatever comes after should be longer than the stuff before the tournament because the tournament itself is the meat of the arc.

If you wait too long people will start to lose interest, and will easily criticize the tournament episodes itself because people will automatically have extremely high expectations for this thing to deliver.

[Lord Beerus]

I honestly don't mind that Super is taking its time with the recruitment/world building episodes as they have so far. 90% of them have been good and validated their existence by providing a much need perspective of how the other universes are preparing for the Tournament and giving some spotlight to the supporting cast. Something that was drastically lacking in the Champa arc. To be honest, I have feeling this arc will be last "hoorah" for guy like Krillin, Tien, Roshi, Android 18 and Android 17. So I'm really fine with them getting as much focus as they have in this arc with the pre-tournament episodes. Especially considering Super will be going into EOZ territory, where a good chunk of the supporting the cast are old and have settled down. But I do share the sentiment that with all the build up, the tournament itself better be great.

[Hit!!]

I love year long Dragon Ball Arcs. They are the most enjoyable and the ones that build the most tension. If the black arc took its time, things would've been different.

Exactly, most of the problems with Trunks in that arc could be solved if given time. We could have had him train with Vegeta, have him learn from Goku, have time to build up SSR, have time for him to learn the Mafuba more realistically and have him learn Genki power ...not pull it out his ass.

Agreed.

[Lord Frieza]

Nobody is saying we don't want world building. Nobody is saying we don't a slower pace. But this is way too slow. There are episodes during this recruitment arc that we didn't need to see. There has to be a fine balance.

The whole point of this arc is the tournament, that's why it can't be compared to the Namek arc being so long because the Namek arc had a continual story, whereas this current arc hasn't even reached it's purpose and we are 5 months in.

Well would you rather we have a repeat of the U6 arc? Which was rushed. with Botamo's fight being a joke, Frost's fight looked terrible, Magetta's was over to fast, Cabba was glorified training session and then we got to Hit.

We are building up to what is the Tournament to end all Tournaments, we needed time to rebuild the old team and add some new members but above all else we want the Tournament to not be the inconsistent mess the U6 arc was, something that is a very real possibility given how big it is.

No I wouldn't want a repeat of U6 arc's pacing. When I say there needs to be a fine balance that's not what I mean. A fine balance means having effective pacing while showing quality material. They are testing the fandom's patience at this point, they have milked this thing as much as possible already, it's just time to start the tournament. 5-6 months of hyping it up is good enough. Half a year should be plenty of time to ensure the tournament itself would have quality episodes.

I'm not saying the arc should be short, the tournament itself and whatever comes after should be longer than the stuff before the tournament because the tournament itself is the meat of the arc.

If you wait too long people will start to lose interest, and will easily criticize the tournament episodes itself because people will automatically have extremely high expectations for this thing to deliver.

Ok there we can agree, but we are only 16 episodes in and we had the preliminary plus the better fights from the "team building" stuff. The tournament is about to start in a few hours at most we are looking a 2 or 3 episodes and we are there.

I watch One Piece as well and the Dress Rosa arc which was about 113 episodes long, 18 to 19 episodes to get to the meat of your arc dose not feel like much compared to the feet dragging many long running anime put their audience through.

[emperior]

I love year long Dragon Ball Arcs. They are the most enjoyable and the ones that build the most tension. If the black arc took its time, things would've been different.

Future Trunks arc is literally a prime example of an awesome story being wasted by them rushing throught it. They could have bought so much time with static episodes (like the episode where Trunks meets Gohan) which would have helped with the production of the most important episodes.

We could have gotten things like Trunks meeting Goten, him explaining to Goten and Kid Trunks about what he did in the past (showing flashbacks of Androids/Cell arc - buying time) and then have them show him the fusion dance. They could also have him train with Vegeta and learn his moves (instead of randomly pulling them off). We could have gotten Goku training him, and telling him what happened after Cell Games and why he was brought back to life (this way he would also tell him about the Spirit Bomb, maybe even showcase him a little one). They had tons of occasions to do entertaining padding in that arc, instead we got too much Pilaf gang and a rushed story. I wonder how good it would have been if the current director was directing it. Not that it was bad, but there were tons of missed opportunities.

30 episodes would have been ideal for Future Trunks arc, in my opinion.

[SaiyanGod117]

All I can say is, after all of these pre-tournament episodes, and after 5-6 months of waiting, this tournament better fucking deliver. Otherwise I consider this arc an utter failure, doesn't matter how good the episodes before the tournament were. You've been advertising this thing since the start of 2017, I hope they can deliver.

I totally agree, if the tournament is just nothing but 4 or 5 episodes I will be pissed.