Funny or ignorant things you've heard a DB fan say?

[KentalSSJ6]

It is fairly debatable (at least for the less ridiculous Supermen). DBO Goku caused ki explosions on par with supernovas (being far away from one small supernova knocked Superman out) and Pure Buu at a suppressed level can fire attacks strong enough to bust small stars in the manga. Anime Goku is also RIDICULOUSLY fast in combat speed going by how it animates ki blasts, and a few instances like Kaio being unable to track the movements of Goku and Freeza while being able to track the saiyan pods.

You can say he's stronger than Supes, but WHICH Supes. Thats the big thing here. You cant really generalize Superman due to how many incarnations there is. Is it DCAU Superman? All Star Superman? Supermine Prime, Kingdom Come Superman? See what I mean here?

EDIT - Well, seems I finally hit the 3,000 post milestone.

[ABED]

Funny thing is that there are some Hulk fanboys that take that literally. I've seen claims that he could beat people he canonically has no chance against and lost to because "the writers of those issues don't respect the character"

I was half kidding, and I loathe the negative use of "fanboy".

[Polyphase Avatron]

Funny thing is that there are some Hulk fanboys that take that literally. I've seen claims that he could beat people he canonically has no chance against and lost to because "the writers of those issues don't respect the character"

I was half kidding, and I loathe the negative use of "fanboy".

Sorry, I was just relating some of my experiences.

[rereboy]

Funny thing is that there are some Hulk fanboys that take that literally. I've seen claims that he could beat people he canonically has no chance against and lost to because "the writers of those issues don't respect the character"

But there is truth to it. The Hulk is written to have no upper limit to his strength and he manages to overcome several things in some situations that he doesn't overcome in others. So, the writers are a major factor in how strong he is.

[baneofdemon22]

That's why I don't like Hulk and Wolverine anymore. Wolverine was one of my favorite characters. I liked when you feared for his life when he got shot, because he would bleed out, now he can hit by a bomb and be okay. My favorite Superman is with the 1986 reboot all the way to around 2004 when Geoff Johns took over. That's when it went back to me disliking the character, relying on his super powers for everything. When they rebooted him in the 80's he was much weaker, but still very powerful, and they focused on the his character being so powerful because of his compassion and strong moral compass, not he's the best hero, because he's so powerful and anytime he makes a mistake, danger, or moral dilemma, his superpowers will save him. What kind of moral is that? I do like his original incarnation in the 30's and other Elseworlds/non continuity stories.

[goku the krump dancer]

So, the writers are a major factor in how strong he is.

Doesn't that go for anything though?

[ABED]

That's why I don't like Hulk and Wolverine anymore. Wolverine was one of my favorite characters. I liked when you feared for his life when he got shot, because he would bleed out, now he can hit by a bomb and be okay. My favorite Superman is with the 1986 reboot all the way to around 2004 when Geoff Johns took over. That's when it went back to me disliking the character, relying on his super powers for everything. When they rebooted him in the 80's he was much weaker, but still very powerful, and they focused on the his character being so powerful because of his compassion and strong moral compass, not he's the best hero, because he's so powerful and anytime he makes a mistake, danger, or moral dilemma, his superpowers will save him. What kind of moral is that? I do like his original incarnation in the 30's and other Elseworlds/non continuity stories.

I prefer that Wolverine not fear for his life from a GSW, however, I do agree that his X-factor is too damn powerful to the point that when his body was destroyed, he came back because he regenerated from a single drop of blood. I also like the Byrne reboot of Superman, it's also one of the reasons I love the DCAU Superman, he's powerful but not godlike. Being godlike is one of the reasons I never cared for the Reeve films. He's great in them but damn near everything else is terrible.

Back to DBZ, I remember someone years ago on an AOL message board saying that Jeice was the speedster of the Ginyu Force.

[The Monkey King]

It is fairly debatable (at least for the less ridiculous Supermen). DBO Goku caused ki explosions on par with supernovas (being far away from one small supernova knocked Superman out) and Pure Buu at a suppressed level can fire attacks strong enough to bust small stars in the manga. Anime Goku is also RIDICULOUSLY fast in combat speed going by how it animates ki blasts, and a few instances like Kaio being unable to track the movements of Goku and Freeza while being able to track the saiyan pods.

Not to mention post-crisis Supe's strongest attack (the Infinite Mass Punch) has only destroyed moons when he goes all out, one time the resulting moon explosion KO'd him.

[Mr.Judge]

It is fairly debatable (at least for the less ridiculous Supermen). DBO Goku caused ki explosions on par with supernovas (being far away from one small supernova knocked Superman out) and Pure Buu at a suppressed level can fire attacks strong enough to bust small stars in the manga. Anime Goku is also RIDICULOUSLY fast in combat speed going by how it animates ki blasts, and a few instances like Kaio being unable to track the movements of Goku and Freeza while being able to track the saiyan pods.

Not to mention post-crisis Supe's strongest attack (the Infinite Mass Punch) has only destroyed moons when he goes all out, one time the resulting moon explosion KO'd him.

Goku is considered less strong in superheroes league Because

Spoiler:

Akira Toriyama might have Skipped Maths/Physics in School(j/k)

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Dragon Ball basic premise is about Super Powerful Humans Beings/Aliens Having Explosive Strength/Energy Of Destroying Solar System from Super Perfect Cell onward.

Most People should refrain from using numbers given in Manga by Akira Toriyama.

Example.
Just the fact of Leaping upto Clouds which are upto 3-5 km high, Needs Tremendous Explosive Strength in the excess of Region 1000-2000 tons.
Kid Goku/Kuririn/Nam (ナム, Namu) leapt that High During the Training Arc(Kuririn/Goku) and from 21st Budokai Tenkaichi(Nam/Goku) onward.
A Human like Kuririn would need to train with Turtle Shells Weighing around 300-500 Tons to Jump that high.

So Basically Numbers by Akira Toriyama on Gravity Training Weights basically act as boat anchor which brings down the strength of Super Strong Characters like Kid Goku/Kuririn who should be around 2000+Tons in the league of 20kg turtle shell.

But Instead should Focus on the relevant stuff drawn by Akira Toriyama,
Considering the Ability to stand their Ground without moving an inch against attacks which are capable of Pulverizing/Blowing Away Moon/Planet/Solar System Should Give you a basic Idea What Kind Of Explosive Strength Dbz Characters pack.

[ABED]

It's not purely strength, in DB, there's ki.

[KentalSSJ6]

Lets get back on topic shall we?

[TheGmGoken]

First time I've heard anyone call him Bill. Like damn. Though who was OOC in BoG?

I was told a week ago that I should't correct people about "Bills" name being Beerus because it doesn't matter and it's Japanese so "who cares".

[KentalSSJ6]

First time I've heard anyone call him Bill. Like damn. Though who was OOC in BoG?

I was told a week ago that I should't correct people about "Bills" name being Beerus because it doesn't matter and it's Japanese so "who cares".

I find it hilarious (and sad) when I see people proclaiming themselves to be "hardcore" or "true" fans yet insist on using a fansub translation of a character name and flat out ignore the official English translation of it.

[Mr.Judge]

It's not purely strength, in DB, there's ki.

NO.
So you think SSj1 Goku is 40tons while Base Goku is below 40 tons while Kid Goku is 1000+ Tons.

Strength is what allows Dragon Ball access to withstand attacks,stand their ground and performs jump covering countries and leaping up-to clouds.
This Strength is Then further Amplified by Ki.

Before the Ki Amping Concept was introduced, We had instances of
1 - Kid Goku/Kuririn Leapt upto Clouds during Training and Nam and Goku in 21st Budokai Tenkaichi .(No use of Ki)
2 - Kid Goku/Master Roshi Pushed(Again No use of Ki) A boulder weighing around 200+ Tons which even bulldozers/ Medium Excavators are incapable of.
3 - Kid Goku/Kurinin moved(Again No use of Ki) the largest boulder which was their objective during Kame-Training.1000+ tons Going By the Size of it which even the largest Excavators fall short by 200 tons to even move it.
4 - Tao Pai Pai throwing a Pillar(generally assumed Marble) should weigh around 450+Kg , casually lifting(Again No use of Ki) and throwing across 2300 km, basically around 3/4 of the Continent of Australia. The strength in his arms needed would be in access of 20000+ Tons.And Leg muscles to catch upto that pillar would be 40000+ tons.(Again No use of Ki)
5 - Kid Goku/Master Roshi ran 100 m in 8.5/5.6 secs respectively.(Again No use of Ki)

The instance when Goku uses Ki to amp his strength is to withstand the Piccolo Island destroying Explosive Wave.

Akira Toriyama introduces Inconsistencies as soon as he introduces any Number .

Human can only Jump Few inches/Feet in the Air when performing Standing Vertical jump.20 kg turtle shell is insignificant to even Athletes
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/rec ... l-jump.htm

Kuririn was faster and stronger to casually win Olympics without training during his first visit to Kame-senin. Yet he trains with Turtle Weight of 20kg and then performs moves of 1000+Tons.
Again For a strong human being, 20kg is insignificant .
Basic conclusion is Numbers on Weight in Dragon Ball were just place holders and nothing much.

[ABED]

It's not purely strength, in DB, there's ki.

NO.
So you think SSj1 Goku is 40tons while Base Goku is below 40 tons while Kid Goku is 1000+ Tons.

Strength is what allows Dragon Ball access to withstand attacks,stand their ground and performs jump covering countries and leaping up-to clouds.
This Strength is Then further Amplified by Ki.

Before the Ki Amping Concept was introduced, We had instances of
1 - Kid Goku/Kuririn/Nam Leapt upto Clouds during Training.(No use of Ki)
2 - Kid Goku/Master Roshi Pushed(Again No use of Ki) A boulder weighing around 200+ Tons which even bulldozers/ Medium Excavators are incapable of.
3 - Kid Goku/Kurinin moved(Again No use of Ki) the largest boulder which was their objective during Kame-Training.1000+ tons Going By the Size of it which even the largest Excavators fall short by 200 tons to even move it.
4 - Tao Pai Pai throwing a Pillar(generally assumed Marble) should weigh around 450+Kg , casually lifting(Again No use of Ki) and throwing across 2300 km, basically around 3/4 of the Continent of Australia. The strength in his arms needed would be in access of 20000+ Tons.And Leg muscles to catch upto that pillar would be 40000+ tons.(Again No use of Ki)
5 - Kid Goku/Master Roshi ran 100 m in 8.5/5.6 secs respectively.(Again No use of Ki)

The instance when Goku uses Ki to amp his strength is to withstand the Piccolo Island destroying Explosive Wave.

Akira Toriyama introduces Inconsistencies as soon as he introduces any Number .

Human can only Jump Few inches/Feet in the Air when performing Standing Vertical jump.20 kg turtle shell is insignificant to even Athletes
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/rec ... l-jump.htm

Kuririn was faster and stronger to casually win Olympics without training during his first visit to Kame-senin. Yet he trains with Turtle Weight of 20kg and then performs moves of 1000+Tons.
Again For a strong human being, 20kg is insignificant .
Basic conclusion is Numbers on Weight in Dragon Ball were just place holders and nothing much.

What? No, I don't think he's 40 tons. Dude, please don't do the math. It's comic book logic, and yes, Ki is a factor. Ki wasn't explained until later, but it's always a concept in the series. The Kamehameha is Ki.

[Mr.Judge]

It's not purely strength, in DB, there's ki.

NO.
So you think SSj1 Goku is 40tons while Base Goku is below 40 tons while Kid Goku is 1000+ Tons.

Strength is what allows Dragon Ball access to withstand attacks,stand their ground and performs jump covering countries and leaping up-to clouds.
This Strength is Then further Amplified by Ki.

Before the Ki Amping Concept was introduced, We had instances of
1 - Kid Goku/Kuririn/Nam Leapt upto Clouds during Training.(No use of Ki)
2 - Kid Goku/Master Roshi Pushed(Again No use of Ki) A boulder weighing around 200+ Tons which even bulldozers/ Medium Excavators are incapable of.
3 - Kid Goku/Kurinin moved(Again No use of Ki) the largest boulder which was their objective during Kame-Training.1000+ tons Going By the Size of it which even the largest Excavators fall short by 200 tons to even move it.
4 - Tao Pai Pai throwing a Pillar(generally assumed Marble) should weigh around 450+Kg , casually lifting(Again No use of Ki) and throwing across 2300 km, basically around 3/4 of the Continent of Australia. The strength in his arms needed would be in access of 20000+ Tons.And Leg muscles to catch upto that pillar would be 40000+ tons.(Again No use of Ki)
5 - Kid Goku/Master Roshi ran 100 m in 8.5/5.6 secs respectively.(Again No use of Ki)

The instance when Goku uses Ki to amp his strength is to withstand the Piccolo Island destroying Explosive Wave.

Akira Toriyama introduces Inconsistencies as soon as he introduces any Number .

Human can only Jump Few inches/Feet in the Air when performing Standing Vertical jump.20 kg turtle shell is insignificant to even Athletes
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/rec ... l-jump.htm

Kuririn was faster and stronger to casually win Olympics without training during his first visit to Kame-senin. Yet he trains with Turtle Weight of 20kg and then performs moves of 1000+Tons.
Again For a strong human being, 20kg is insignificant .
Basic conclusion is Numbers on Weight in Dragon Ball were just place holders and nothing much.

What? No, I don't think he's 40 tons. Dude, please don't do the math. It's comic book logic, and yes, Ki is a factor. Ki wasn't explained until later, but it's always a concept in the series. The Kamehameha is Ki.

Ki is used when they reach their Physical Limit.
Kid Goku pushing the Huge boulder automatically puts him above 500 Tons while Taopaipai Lifting the Stone/Marble pillar auto implies that hundreds of Kg worth of weight is useless for training.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So you think SSj1 Goku is 40tons while Base Goku is below 40 tons while Kid Goku is 1000+ Tons.

When did kid Goku lifted 1000+ tons?

[KentalSSJ6]

Getting off topic here people.

[ABED]

Shocker, DB isn't scientifically accurate!

And no, Ki isn't limited to being used when they reach their Physical Limit. There's nothing that explicitly states that or even implicitly.

[TheGmGoken]

No to be rude. But can y'all take it to PM or create a topic about it? I really like both sides facts and opinions and is a nice read from both ABED and Mr.Judge.

Also(On the phone, on the road. So I'll post comment later) I was just told that DB(DB, Z, GT) isn't light hearten and doesn't have gags. He states that it's about:

Fighting
Why they're fighting.

I agree on why they're fighting is a major part of it. But to say it's about fighting(Even DB.....and early GT) is kinda ignorant. But I corrected him. Now he's starting to understand. Nice to know people who are willing to learn more about a series.