Magical Being Boo - Necessary or Not?

[Rocketman]

so then you take Evil Buu and give him SS3 Gotenks, Piccolo, and Mystically Fellated Gohan. Vegetto deals with that no problem, but Gogeta?

I was specially referring to them using Fusion versus Kid Buu instead of the Spirit Bomb, not vs Gohan-Buu instead of the Potara.

And then you get into the insane amount of speculation on whether or not Genuine Buu is weaker than the previous one... Can Vegetto deal with him?

What.

[Zephyr]

Then Gotenks being a cocky bastard is character flaw as well. And going by that logic, JJGP should excuse Gotenks failing against Buu because it happened due to Gotenks' character flaw of being a cocky bastard, just like he excuses Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18 because it happened due to Vegeta's character flaw of being a cocky bastard.

Yes, I agree. As I've already said, everything Gotenks did made sense. He, like SSJ Goku on Namek, SSJ2 Gohan against Cell, and Vegetto were all cocky pricks who wanted to dick around/make their enemy suffer greatly.

Yes, that was a plot convenience, who said it wasn't?

I was simply listing the perceived absurdities from both sagas. You were talking about how people only acknowledge the stupidity of an arc when they don't like it, and I was playing the devil's advocate. Of all the complaints so far, only ones from the Buu arc have been actual legitimate absurdities (albeit not all of the ones people have listed actually are). I'm sure there are some that I've missed though (having not watched it forever), so please feel free bring them as you see them to my attention.

And about the Gogeta thing, I guess that's a whole 'nother discussion. He's not canon

Regardless of whether or not that specific character is canon, it wouldn't have been impossible for Goku and Vegeta to use the dance (and if they did I don't know if Toriyama would have made up his own, as opposed to using Toei's). But yeah, that's a discussion for a different time.

[Savage68]

Yes, I agree. As I've already said, everything Gotenks did made sense. He, like SSJ Goku on Namek, SSJ2 Gohan against Cell, and Vegetto were all cocky pricks who wanted to dick around/make their enemy suffer greatly.

Goku wasn't being a cocky prick who wanted to make Freeza suffer greatly. He was fighting sincerely.

[Zephyr]

Yes, I agree. As I've already said, everything Gotenks did made sense. He, like SSJ Goku on Namek, SSJ2 Gohan against Cell, and Vegetto were all cocky pricks who wanted to dick around/make their enemy suffer greatly.

Goku wasn't being a cocky prick who wanted to make Freeza suffer greatly. He was fighting sincerely.

Didn't Goku want to crush Freeza's ego? That would suffering to someone like him.

[Savage68]

What does that have to do with whether he fought Freeza sincerely or not? The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Zephyr]

Okay, well Goku doesn't necessarily fall into the same category then. I forgot where exactly I was going with that.

[Zep]

Regardless of whether or not that specific character is canon, it wouldn't have been impossible for Goku and Vegeta to use the dance (and if they did I don't know if Toriyama would have made up his own, as opposed to using Toei's). But yeah, that's a discussion for a different time.

Doesn't the fusion dance only work when both fighters are of the same general size? Or is that something that only got mentioned in supplementary materials or something?

[Rocketman]

Regardless of whether or not that specific character is canon, it wouldn't have been impossible for Goku and Vegeta to use the dance (and if they did I don't know if Toriyama would have made up his own, as opposed to using Toei's). But yeah, that's a discussion for a different time.

Doesn't the fusion dance only work when both fighters are of the same general size? Or is that something that only got mentioned in supplementary materials or something?

Goku says he could fuse with Vegeta or Gohan when he explains the Dance.

[Zep]

Hm, I see...

I suppose a good reason they didn't use the dance is that Vegeta hasn't been taught it properly, so it'd be far too easy for something to go wrong... If they tried to run away and hide while the failed fusions wore off like they did against Janemba in movie 12, I think Kid Buu would be more interested in destroying the entire planet or killing anyone else nearby than chasing after something which posed him no threat.

[Great Saiyaman I]

Hm, I see...

I suppose a good reason they didn't use the dance is that Vegeta hasn't been taught it properly, so it'd be far too easy for something to go wrong... If they tried to run away and hide while the failed fusions wore off like they did against Janemba in movie 12, I think Kid Buu would be more interested in destroying the entire planet or killing anyone else nearby than chasing after something which posed him no threat.

What would Janemba do otherwise?

[Zep]

Well in the movie, it seemed that Janemba was happy to just go after Veku even when it was obvious he was not much of a threat. I can imagine Kid Buu getting bored of the chase after a while and instead go back to destroying everything else.