"Dragon Ball Super" Bang Zoom Dub Official Discussion Thread

[8000 Saiyan]

For God's sake, that voice doesn't fit Goku at all. Sounds like a bad emulation of Schemmel's Pre-Kai Goku voice.

It would be funny if that's Steve Blum voicing Goku.

Don't hear a trace of the Blum in that voice. Even if Blum was miscast, at least he sounded better.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

...I really don't understand why people are judging the quality of this dub by only seeing the characters deliver a handful of lines. Let's at least see the entire first episode and then share our thoughts and impressions, shall we?

And how are we supposed to do that? The only person on this forum who would ever have access to something like that left because people were criticizing his sketchy nature so we kind of have no choice. Goku sounds awful, if they messed up the main character, then how are we supposed to trust them to not mess up the rest of the series? Lex Lang is extremely miscast as Goku and sounds like a 40 year old substitute school teacher who tries to be hip with the kids. I have problems with Bang Zoom dubs in general but I don't think I've ever seen them miscast someone this badly. Imagine Lex Lang's Goku Black, with that Sesame Street sounding voice trying to be edgy and dark. Horrendous fucking casting, should've just used the FUNi dub.

[wjbraden]

...I really don't understand why people are judging the quality of this dub by only seeing the characters deliver a handful of lines. Let's at least see the entire first episode and then share our thoughts and impressions, shall we?

And how are we supposed to do that? The only person on this forum who would ever have access to something like that left because people were criticizing his sketchy nature so we kind of have no choice. Goku sounds awful, if they messed up the main character, then how are we supposed to trust them to not mess up the rest of the series?

There are places to find Toonami Asia dubs if you know where to look. There were even full episodes of their Yokai Watch dub up on YouTube for a while.

Also, Kei17 isn't the only one who has DBZ rare stuff.

And remember, if you don't like it, you don't have to watch.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

...I really don't understand why people are judging the quality of this dub by only seeing the characters deliver a handful of lines. Let's at least see the entire first episode and then share our thoughts and impressions, shall we?

And how are we supposed to do that? The only person on this forum who would ever have access to something like that left because people were criticizing his sketchy nature so we kind of have no choice. Goku sounds awful, if they messed up the main character, then how are we supposed to trust them to not mess up the rest of the series?

There are places to find Toonami Asia dubs if you know where to look. There were even full episodes of their Yokai Watch dub up on YouTube for a while.

Also, Kei17 isn't the only one who has DBZ rare stuff.

And remember, if you don't like it, you don't have to watch.

It's still a bad dub of a series no matter if someone watches it or not

[jelleline89]

There are places to find Toonami Asia dubs if you know where to look. There were even full episodes of their Yokai Watch dub up on YouTube for a while.

Also, Kei17 isn't the only one who has DBZ rare stuff.

And remember, if you don't like it, you don't have to watch.

The thing with that is whoever was recording the Asian dub of Yokai Watch was very inconsistent with their quality and eventually just disappeared. They haven't done anymore episodes since. Newer shows exclusive to the Asian markets with English Dubs like Marvel Disk Wars and Beywarriors Cyborg are close to impossible to find online. I found a single person who is still actively recording in Asia (In HD!) and they don't even get Toonami Asia.

I've seen similar miracles pulled before when it comes to DBZ, but it's coming down to the wire. I say this because many English Dub shows in Asia don't go through many re-runs, sometimes not at all. For example, Marvel Disk Wars aired it's entirety once and went off the air without a re-run on Disney XD SEA.

[Theophrastus]

I'd say the very beginning of the Goku clip when he's eating sounds kinda Schemmel-impression-y, but that seemed to fade when the training part started.

[Nightmare Wheel]

I think there's been a lot of overreaction to this clip. We've heard barely anything from this dub and people are already losing their shit, so to speak. Lex Lang certainly isn't my first choice for Goku, but he's got range to spare and Goku is a difficult character to get, something that's pretty evident with how badly butchered his character has been in many adaptations. If we're talking first impressions then some of the other Goku voices, including Sean Schemmel himself, were arguably worse than this. Lex also has a proven track record with playing characters who are sinister or downright insane. Hearing performances from him like Doctor Doom or Ginias from Gundam 08th MS Team I know he can nail Black at least, given the right direction.

[rs_chaosmaster]

It is a bad miscast at this point i will wait until i hear more to pass judgement but, it is a shame Bang Zoom is trying to imitate the Funimation dub instead of making a dub that is their own. Erik Scott Kimerer would have been a far better choice for Goku. Obviously Toei told Bang Zoom they wanted the dub to imitate Funimation's because this honestly might end up being one of the worst Bang Zoom dubs they have done. Speaking of which anyone good enough at editing that they could make a clip with ESK as Goku using his other shows . Maybe he could get Gohan instead :/

[TekTheNinja]

Whoa guys, chill. It's really not that bad. I honestly don't see the problem. It's basically a Sean Schemmel impression but not nearly as good, yes... BUT, it's not really BAD either. I mean it's... Average...

[ParkerAL]

You know, when you really think about it, what motivation does Bang Zoom have to put 100 percent of their talent and energy into this dub? It will likely never see an official release in North America, and the majority of people who are going to watch it probably don't speak English as their first language anyway. I guess they'd want to give Toei plenty of reasons to hire their studio again in the future, but that wouldn't require them putting their heart and soul into the project. Really, they're under no obligation to provide anything other than a workmanlike dub.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Where do you guys hear a Schemmel impersonation because I feel like people seriously don't know what Schemmel's Goku sounds like

[Dbzfan94]

Where do you guys hear a Schemmel impersonation because I feel like people seriously don't know what Schemmel's Goku sounds like

I mean it sounds slightly similar. Just because it may be an impression, it doesn't have to be a good one.

[NitroEX]

I can only guess that they have some bizarre notion of what a impersonation/impression is. Having a slight similarity (which I can only really see being the pitch of his voice) is not the same as an actor trying to force the same inflections, accent and pitch of another person. A real impersonation of Schemmel would have more of a nasal quality to his voice and share the same nuances in his accent. This guy isn't doing that from what I hear.

The only voice that I can confidently say might be an impersonation would be Majin Buu but Josh Martin's Buu wasn't a very complicated or distinct voice to begin with.

[huzaifa_ahmed]

...I really don't understand why people are judging the quality of this dub by only seeing the characters deliver a handful of lines. Let's at least see the entire first episode and then share our thoughts and impressions, shall we?

And how are we supposed to do that? The only person on this forum who would ever have access to something like that left because people were criticizing his sketchy nature so we kind of have no choice. Goku sounds awful, if they messed up the main character, then how are we supposed to trust them to not mess up the rest of the series? Lex Lang is extremely miscast as Goku and sounds like a 40 year old substitute school teacher who tries to be hip with the kids. I have problems with Bang Zoom dubs in general but I don't think I've ever seen them miscast someone this badly. Imagine Lex Lang's Goku Black, with that Sesame Street sounding voice trying to be edgy and dark. Horrendous fucking casting, should've just used the FUNi dub.

I think I described it as He-Man doing his best Winnie the Pooh, lol.

I can only guess that they have some bizarre notion of what a impersonation/impression is. Having a slight similarity (which I can only really see being the pitch of his voice) is not the same as an actor trying to force the same inflections, accent and pitch of another person. A real impersonation of Schemmel would have more of a nasal quality to his voice and share the same nuances in his accent. This guy isn't doing that from what I hear.

The only voice that I can confidently say might be an impersonation would be Majin Buu but Josh Martin's Buu wasn't a very complicated or distinct voice to begin with.

I think the overall point is that getting a deep, baritone voice for this character, is something characteristic of the FUNi dub, & that Toonami Asia is at least loosely using the FUNi voices as a reference point. I am not a fan of these voices as they were cast specifically to misrepresent the characters, especially without reference audio.

[90sDBZ]

...I really don't understand why people are judging the quality of this dub by only seeing the characters deliver a handful of lines. Let's at least see the entire first episode and then share our thoughts and impressions, shall we?

And how are we supposed to do that? The only person on this forum who would ever have access to something like that left because people were criticizing his sketchy nature so we kind of have no choice. Goku sounds awful, if they messed up the main character, then how are we supposed to trust them to not mess up the rest of the series? Lex Lang is extremely miscast as Goku and sounds like a 40 year old substitute school teacher who tries to be hip with the kids. I have problems with Bang Zoom dubs in general but I don't think I've ever seen them miscast someone this badly. Imagine Lex Lang's Goku Black, with that Sesame Street sounding voice trying to be edgy and dark. Horrendous fucking casting, should've just used the FUNi dub.

I think I described it as He-Man doing his best Winnie the Pooh, lol.

I can only guess that they have some bizarre notion of what a impersonation/impression is. Having a slight similarity (which I can only really see being the pitch of his voice) is not the same as an actor trying to force the same inflections, accent and pitch of another person. A real impersonation of Schemmel would have more of a nasal quality to his voice and share the same nuances in his accent. This guy isn't doing that from what I hear.

The only voice that I can confidently say might be an impersonation would be Majin Buu but Josh Martin's Buu wasn't a very complicated or distinct voice to begin with.

I think the overall point is that getting a deep, baritone voice for this character, is something characteristic of the FUNi dub, & that Toonami Asia is at least loosely using the FUNi voices as a reference point. I am not a fan of these voices as they were cast specifically to misrepresent the characters, especially without reference audio.

I honestly wouldn't call Sean's Goku voice "deep", especially not in lighthearted scenes where it's actually pretty highpitched. As far as Bang Zoom Goku is concerned I can definitely hear moments where he tries to sound Schemmel-like, even if the voice itself is very different. To me it just sounds like a guy with a much deeper voice trying his best to force a Schemmel impression.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I honestly wouldn't call Sean's Goku voice "deep", especially not in lighthearted scenes where it's actually pretty highpitched.

Agreed, I've always been a tad surprised to hear people refer to Schemmel's Goku voice as being "deep." Actually, compared to tons of other dubs of the show, he's one of the higher-pitched voices Goku has had.

[NitroEX]

I think the overall point is that getting a deep, baritone voice for this character, is something characteristic of the FUNi dub, & that Toonami Asia is at least loosely using the FUNi voices as a reference point.

I get that but I'm just saying it still doesn't make it an impersonation, it's just a similar casting choice made by a studio (probably) too afraid to stray too far from the established norm. If this was a decision imposed on them by Toei then that's just a monumental fuck up on their part and one that doesn't seem to follow much logic. An alternative American English dub should naturally serve a need that the Funimation one doesn't, not follow in its footsteps.

I honestly wouldn't call Sean's Goku voice "deep", especially not in lighthearted scenes where it's actually pretty highpitched.

Agreed, I've always been a tad surprised to hear people refer to Schemmel's Goku voice as being "deep." Actually, compared to tons of other dubs of the show, he's one of the higher-pitched voices Goku has had.

Really? I've personally always had him placed on the deeper end of the spectrum of English Gokus. If I had to rank them off the top of my head it'd be David Gasman being the deepest followed by Jeremiah Yurk and then Sean Schemmel. Jeffrey Watson is what I'd class as the highest voice with Steve Blum and the Ocean Gokus floating somewhere in between. I don't really care for the speedy dub actor.

Obviously when people say he's "deep" they aren't saying he's among the likes of Don LaFontaine but it's certainly not a very high voice either. His natural nasal sound and occasional use of falsetto do help disguise his deepness but I still hear it when he talks in a serious or angry tone.

[TheBlackPaladin]

I honestly wouldn't call Sean's Goku voice "deep", especially not in lighthearted scenes where it's actually pretty highpitched.

Agreed, I've always been a tad surprised to hear people refer to Schemmel's Goku voice as being "deep." Actually, compared to tons of other dubs of the show, he's one of the higher-pitched voices Goku has had.

Really? I've personally always had him placed on the deeper end of the spectrum of English Gokus. If I had to rank them off the top of my head it'd be David Gasman being the deepest followed by Jeremiah Yurk and then Sean Schemmel. Jeffrey Watson is what I'd class as the highest voice with Steve Blum and the Ocean Gokus floating somewhere in between. I don't really care for the speedy dub actor.

Obviously when people say he's "deep" they aren't saying he's among the likes of Don LaFontaine but it's certainly not a very high voice either. His natural nasal sound and occasional use of falsetto do help disguise his deepness but I still hear it when he talks in a serious or angry tone.

Allow me to clarify, I was talking about all dubs, not just the English ones. You're right, among the English dubs, he's one of the deeper ones. Not counting English, though...off the top of my head, the only higher-pitched voice I can think of is whoever voiced Goku in the Hebrew dub. Otherwise, (pretty much) every other dub has a very deep-voiced Goku, and Sean Schemmel's voice for Goku is higher than them.

I personally don't mind it getting a bit deeper when he gets angry or when he ascends through the various stages of Super Saiyan, as that struck me as appropriate.

[sangofe]

Agreed, I've always been a tad surprised to hear people refer to Schemmel's Goku voice as being "deep." Actually, compared to tons of other dubs of the show, he's one of the higher-pitched voices Goku has had.

Really? I've personally always had him placed on the deeper end of the spectrum of English Gokus. If I had to rank them off the top of my head it'd be David Gasman being the deepest followed by Jeremiah Yurk and then Sean Schemmel. Jeffrey Watson is what I'd class as the highest voice with Steve Blum and the Ocean Gokus floating somewhere in between. I don't really care for the speedy dub actor.

Obviously when people say he's "deep" they aren't saying he's among the likes of Don LaFontaine but it's certainly not a very high voice either. His natural nasal sound and occasional use of falsetto do help disguise his deepness but I still hear it when he talks in a serious or angry tone.

Allow me to clarify, I was talking about all dubs, not just the English ones. You're right, among the English dubs, he's one of the deeper ones. Not counting English, though...off the top of my head, the only higher-pitched voice I can think of is whoever voiced Goku in the Hebrew dub. Otherwise, (pretty much) every other dub has a very deep-voiced Goku, and Sean Schemmel's voice for Goku is higher than them.

I personally don't mind it getting a bit deeper when he gets angry or when he ascends through the various stages of Super Saiyan, as that struck me as appropriate.

You're forgetting Caspar as Goku (danish Goku): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkB_hd4 ... _iY8wuxWZu

[jelleline89]

Well the Goku video now has 49 likes and 49 dislikes. I also can't see any comments on it anymore.

While this might influence a dub intended for North America with a bigger budget, like how TPCi recast Ash twice after initial dismay towards the first replacement, I don't expect the same to be true here. I can't see Toonami Asia requesting a change after a minute long clip was met with dislike, and even if Bang Zoom sees the reaction, they probably can't afford to recast now with the premiere so close.