Silly things in GT

[TheDevilsCorpse]

How much stronger would Goku have been in his normal body?

None. That's my issue with GT. Goku was confirmed to have remained at the same level of power even after he was turned into a kid. The only limits placed on him was the loss of Shunkan-ido and "decreased stamina", the latter of which is hardly even a factor except when SS3 pops up for a whole minute total throughout all 64 episodes. lol

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I was talking about the people behind GT who wanted to emulate the early days of Dragon Ball.

Well, seeing how you were replying with my actual quote, you made it seem like you thought my thinking it was a good idea was tied to them trying to recapture the lost charm... just never mind. lol

[Rostir]

How much stronger would Goku have been in his normal body?

None. That's my issue with GT. Goku was confirmed to have remained at the same level of power even after he was turned into a kid. The only limits placed on him was the loss of Shunkan-ido and "decreased stamina", the latter of which is hardly even a factor except when SS3 pops up for a whole minute total throughout all 64 episodes. lol

Oh, ok.

[Saiga]

None. That's my issue with GT. Goku was confirmed to have remained at the same level of power even after he was turned into a kid. The only limits placed on him was the loss of Shunkan-ido and "decreased stamina", the latter of which is hardly even a factor except when SS3 pops up for a whole minute total throughout all 64 episodes. lol

Neither of those nerfs were even that relevant, and he already had stamina problems as a SS3 during the Boo saga anyway!

Well, seeing how you were replying with my actual quote, you made it seem like you thought my thinking it was a good idea was tied to them trying to recapture the lost charm... just never mind. lol

Yeah, I realise how it would have seemed like that.

I think it could have worked better if his strength had taken a hit rather than losing Shunkan-Ido, but that would only really work for the first arc, because once you get back to Earth we have all the other characters who are all crazy strong.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think it could have worked better if his strength had taken a hit rather than losing Shunkan-Ido, but that would only really work for the first arc, because once you get back to Earth we have all the other characters who are all crazy strong.

Depends I guess. If they kept the series mostly as is and just cut Goku's power back, there wouldn't have been a real issue. In GT, base Goku tanks hits from characters that are knocking down Super Saiyans like Gohan and Vegeta with ease, so his power drop could have brought him back to the same level as everyone else. If they had reworked the series with a more logical power scale though, I can see the issue with Goku being weaker than almost every other hero on Earth if they tried to keep him a kid for the whole series.

[Nex Carnifex]

If GT had more reasonable power scaling, how powerful would you say Rilldo would be?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Goku shouldn't be very stronger than his Boo arc counterpart, IMO. So, if he were to fight Rild in Super Saiyan, Rild should be about that level.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Well, it depends I guess. Where he would be placed is dependent on how much stronger you think Goku got between Majin Buu and GT and if you think he should have been made weaker when he became a kid. Regardless though, I think he and Goku definitely need to be slid backwards on the power scale towards the rest of the cast.

Personally, I probably wouldn't have him surpass any of the evil forms of Buu, at least not till his last transformation. Maybe start off in the Buu Arc's SS2 tier, a little higher than Dabra and Cell? As for the fight, I'd rewrite it a bit to play out similar to GT but with a little less base Goku hax. Maybe Goku fighting him in base only while they both warm up and test the waters. Rilld reveals he's holding back and Goku transforms to SS and overwhelms his first's forms full power and the subsequent transformation. Finally, Rilld's last form starts to push Goku back and forces the little guy to bust out SS2, but he doesn't get to use it for very long before plot takes over and they get captured in the metal slabs or something.

[Nex Carnifex]

Personally I think his final form should be his first form to surpass Cell if any of them do. If absorbing machine parts from robots that still use missiles and bullets as weapons is a power up for him then he shouldn't be that much better than Gero's androids.

[Bussani]

I think that logic's kind of weird. There's no hard limit on how powerful a missile or bullet can be.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Seeing how Spopovich was capable of extracting ki into Babidi's container thing, it's possible that their missiles could even use whatever the Machine Mutant energy source is as their warhead.

[Nex Carnifex]

I think that logic's kind of weird. There's no hard limit on how powerful a missile or bullet can be.

The bullets weren't even penetrating the metal wall and the missiles did as much damage as like a normal small submarine missile, you can't say they just control the damage like they do with ki because its not magical energy just physics and explosives.

[Bussani]

The bullets weren't even penetrating the metal wall and the missiles did as much damage as like a normal small submarine missile, you can't say they just control the damage like they do with ki because its not magical energy just physics and explosives.

I think what you're saying is that since the missiles aren't blowing up a good portion of the world, they shouldn't be powerful enough to hurt the good guys? Not sure I agree with that. The bullets being stumped by a metal wall is a better point, but then again, those walls could be made of some kind of super metal for all we know*.

Oooor it's just another case of GT being weird. I'd accept that, too.

*It's also pretty simple to control how much force is behind a bullet, but I'm going to assume that they were using them at full capacity, so we'll just ignore that.

[Nex Carnifex]

The bullets weren't even penetrating the metal wall and the missiles did as much damage as like a normal small submarine missile, you can't say they just control the damage like they do with ki because its not magical energy just physics and explosives.

I think what you're saying is that since the missiles aren't blowing up a good portion of the world, they shouldn't be powerful enough to hurt the good guys? Not sure I agree with that. The bullets being stumped by a metal wall is a better point, but then again, those walls could be made of some kind of super metal for all we know*.

Oooor it's just another case of GT being weird. I'd accept that, too.

*It's also pretty simple to control how much force is behind a bullet, but I'm going to assume that they were using them at full capacity, so we'll just ignore that.

Well yeah I do think when it comes to missiles they better be at least stronger than an atom bomb, no way stronger...Frieza survived a planet blowing up in his face while cut in half and bleeding to death, so yeah. I also noticed Vegeta gets magical jeans when he changes to SS4 just like Goku's magical pants. So i guess denim jeans are part of Saiyan natural biology, ok lol.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So i guess denim jeans are part of Saiyan natural biology, ok lol.

Not necessarily. The most logical reason I can think of is that the new clothes come from the user's imagination. It's most likely magic after all.

[Bussani]

Well yeah I do think when it comes to missiles they better be at least stronger than an atom bomb

The thing is that you're assuming "stronger than a nuclear bomb" must mean "a larger blast radius than a nuclear bomb," which isn't necessarily the case. It all depends on what the energy is being put behind. Just as an example, the blast radius of a nuclear bomb could theoretically be a lot bigger if you made sure 100% of the energy was behind the blast itself, instead of at least half of it taking the form of radiation.

Honestly, though, I doubt every punch these characters throw has the power to destroy a planet, but they still hurt each other with them. Sufficiently advanced guns and missiles should be able to manage something.

[Nex Carnifex]

Well yeah I do think when it comes to missiles they better be at least stronger than an atom bomb

The thing is that you're assuming "stronger than a nuclear bomb" must mean "a larger blast radius than a nuclear bomb," which isn't necessarily the case. It all depends on what the energy is being put behind. Just as an example, the blast radius of a nuclear bomb could theoretically be a lot bigger if you made sure 100% of the energy was behind the blast itself, instead of at least half of it taking the form of radiation.

Honestly, though, I doubt every punch these characters throw has the power to destroy a planet, but they still hurt each other with them. Sufficiently advanced guns and missiles should be able to manage something.

Well I don't think punches can destroy planets for obvious reasons but clearly a planet explosion didn't kill Frieza though I'm pretty sure a full out punch from anyone later on would, or else why did Trunks stop using his sword. Their punches definitely pack that kind of force in a concentrated area and I know what you're saying with the missles. But the missile explosions didn't look like much power was concentrated in one area more like a normal missile explosion where the energy comes from the explosion not the energy it just wasn't that form of an attack, you can't excuse it with ki control either. And the bullets were just bouncing off the walls like normal bullets clearly whoever was directing the scene wasn't taking much mind to anything that happened in the manga, which sort of goes for all of GT.

Not necessarily. The most logical reason I can think of is that the new clothes come from the user's imagination. It's most likely magic after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0yQg8kHVcI

[Bussani]

Fair enough. I'm just saying, the mere fact that they're guns and missiles doesn't say anything how about advanced or not advanced the technology is. What they do, on the other hand, is subject to GT's usual inconsistencies.

[Nex Carnifex]

How were the earth Dragon Balls supposed to revive Kuririn if he was already revived by them? It was made clear in Z that he could not be revived with them so how were they going to in GT?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Chalk it up to a final wish that defies all previously established rules. I mean, I doubt Shenlong is supposed to be able to potentially grant wishes to dead people when he isn't summoned or just up and leave the Earth and merge himself with a Saiyan, but he did...

[DBZAOTA482]

GT Trunks

How the FUCK can the son of Vegeta grow up to be SUCH a pansy?