Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Sora Saiyan]

Yeah, I'm also under the impression that Superman isn't infinite in every area. From what I know he's never shown infinite speed, or striking strength, or hand to hand speed. Supes can be so inconsistent on the high end or the low end, I'd rather average it out, doesn't mean I will, but I'd rather do that.

[Bullza]

So how many different versions of Superman are they? Across all media? And which one's could Goku defeat?

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

[Saiyan007]

i think over 15 different incarnations of Supes are around and yes he easily stomps those two into the ground

[pacz360]

So how many different versions of Superman are they? Across all media? And which one's could Goku defeat?

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

Goku would slaughtered those versions of superman

[Kamiccolo9]

i think over 15 different incarnations of Supes are around and yes he easily stomps those two into the ground

There are dozens. And almost all of them share the powerset of Post-Crisis Superman, before anybody asks.

[Saiyan007]

i think over 15 different incarnations of Supes are around and yes he easily stomps those two into the ground

There are dozens. And almost all of them share the powerset of Post-Crisis Superman, before anybody asks.

I hope you're not saying that they are all near the same power lvl of PC Supes becuase that isn't true

[fadeddreams5]

So how many different versions of Superman are they? Across all media? And which one's could Goku defeat?

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

Well, Superman in the DCAU is always consciously holding back. This was a rare glimpse of him "cutting loose" :
https://youtu.be/JpoV5pj1Agw?t=2m40s

And he's likely still holding back a great deal.

Most DBish animated Superman fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGRkYYmJgQ

Superman got shot to space in the second vid. lol. But who knows... maybe Goku could take him! ^.^

[TheBritWriter]

but this second one was them capitalizing and trying to make more money

What do you have to back this statement up with other than your dislike of the product?

I honestly don't want to get too far into the details of how I know one thing or another involving the creation of the Death Battle, but I have my own reasons for believing that this was largely capitalizing on their last Death Battle in hopes of getting more views... beyond the fact that this entire battle ended up a poorly written, one sided mess that barely did anything to actually advance the debate and explore the concept.

I have to admit I am taken aback by the criticism on deathbattle as both you and MasakoX were involved with the project, so to read disdain to the latest vid is surprising given how you provide vocal talent and they provide advertisement of your channel at the end of vids whenever TFS cast is involved. Surely you been aware when reading scripts how the fight would play out? But after reading from your comments, will there still be contribution to screwattack from Team Four Star Cast in the future? be it dbz or non dbz (like deadpool?)

[Kamiccolo9]

i think over 15 different incarnations of Supes are around and yes he easily stomps those two into the ground

There are dozens. And almost all of them share the powerset of Post-Crisis Superman, before anybody asks.

I hope you're not saying that they are all near the same power lvl of PC Supes becuase that isn't true

Most of them are, yes. Aside from the ones that are not actually Clark Kent/Kal-El.

[dario03]

Even in the animated stuff there are a bunch of different versions of him. Those videos a few post up are different versions and then there was New Frontier, and the ones based on the New 52, and the newest movie that doesn't even have Superman be Clark Kent. There is some that stay the same version like the DCAU shows and movies and stuff like Superman Batman public enemies and Apocalypse but a lot of time a new movie or show is a new version. And of course its hard to tell how powerful he is. In some of them he doesn't seem all that powerful and then in others hes doing stuff like survives a star exploding and saying he can move the Earth so casually that he makes it sound like it would be easy.

[dbzfan7]

Which is why the entire Death Battle is ridiculous, to me. I mean, the first one would have been mostly fine, despite the gross mischaracterizations and completely ridiculous ending, but this second one largely feels like it's just capitalizing on the success of the first. It was worse written and even more poorly choreographed, and even inconsistent with it's own internal logic and the precedence set by the previous installment.

It's just... frustrating.

I agree so much. The biggest problem of the sequel was that the choreography was horrendously boring this time with nothing memorable about it, the dialogue was extremely forgettable, and most of all it showed how utterly pointless it was to bring this up again. I doubt you saw the research teams blog (the people who help research the videos and make fan speculations on the results), and they utterly trolled the idea. They believed it was so stupid it shouldn't even be done. They're blog instead of being straight forward like usual, they made into a joke blog because of how pointless redoing this was. In the end the DB writers proved their research team right. They basically confirmed why there was really nothing to add to the fight. Even the analysis this time around in the video was barely there. At least last time they tried. This time they basically hardly did any analysis beyond the first video.

I honestly don't want to get too far into the details of how I know one thing or another involving the creation of the Death Battle, but I have my own reasons for believing that this was largely capitalizing on their last Death Battle in hopes of getting more views... beyond the fact that this entire battle ended up a poorly written, one sided mess that barely did anything to actually advance the debate and explore the concept.

I think maybe it also was a draw to get more people to go to SGC. The final product added nothing to the question at hand as it basically told the same story again. We just had a couple new concepts, which weren't even explored. In comparison we had Tails vs Luigi which was basically Sonic vs Mario 2. While in the end that result pretty much had the same factor as Mario vs Sonic, there was more to it, as well as changing the concept. Instead of repeating Mario vs Sonic, we had them use their own skills and items unique to them. Also Tails ain't on Sonic's level so it allowed Luigi to have a little more of a chance. Not enough, but at least there was a change to the concept instead of in Goku vs Superman 2, where nothing at all warranted a change or reason to bring up the topic again.

Although, my comments about it not furthering the debate are, ultimately, my own personal opinions on the product, not necessarily on them. An opinion anyone is obviously free to disagree with, but I honestly felt like it was just a retread that introduced new concepts, then did almost nothing with them.

Again yeah, if they truly wanted to do a service for the core debate and concept, they didn't really try to. While the last video went deeper into their analysis and opinions, this one had some more added for Superman, but absolutely nothing added for Goku that really warranted a rematch. I would think if Goku stood more of a chance there would be a point, but if anything they just showed he stood no chance at all still. Other than for possible money, publicity, and views, the video seemed like a way to shut up some people who had issue's with the last video.

[jcogginsa]

Hell, A redo of Mario vs. Sonic would have been a better idea. At least then they could have done a 3D version to have a better fight

[pacz360]

So how many different versions of Superman are they? Across all media? And which one's could Goku defeat?

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

Well, Superman in the DCAU is always consciously holding back. This was a rare glimpse of him "cutting loose" :
https://youtu.be/JpoV5pj1Agw?t=2m40s

And he's likely still holding back a great deal.

Most DBish animated Superman fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGRkYYmJgQ

Superman got shot to space in the second vid. lol. But who knows... maybe Goku could take him! ^.^

Dcau supes is weak as a hell goku would win even in base. It just when you use comicbook versions of supes ala pre or post crisis things take a downward turn but anyway this rematch was pointless they could've gone with galactus vs unicron or something else.

[dario03]

So how many different versions of Superman are they? Across all media? And which one's could Goku defeat?

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

Well, Superman in the DCAU is always consciously holding back. This was a rare glimpse of him "cutting loose" :
https://youtu.be/JpoV5pj1Agw?t=2m40s

And he's likely still holding back a great deal.

Most DBish animated Superman fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGRkYYmJgQ

Superman got shot to space in the second vid. lol. But who knows... maybe Goku could take him! ^.^

Dcau supes is weak as a hell goku would win even in base. It just when you use comicbook versions of supes ala pre or post crisis things take a downward turn but anyway this rematch was pointless they could've gone with galactus vs unicron or something else.

You don't have to go with just Comic showings. There have been some strong versions of supes in other media. Like I mentioned earlier he survived a star exploding and casually said he could move the earth in some of the animated movies from the last ~5 years. And if you go way back he did some crazy stuff in the old Superfriends cartoon. I think they were supposed to be about as strong as their comic selfs and it was pre-crisis (pretty sure Green Lantern easily moved the Earth twice in one episode). But there are far more showings in the comics than other media.

[fadeddreams5]

So how many different versions of Superman are they? Across all media? And which one's could Goku defeat?

He could beat DCAU and Man of Steel versions of Superman right?

Well, Superman in the DCAU is always consciously holding back. This was a rare glimpse of him "cutting loose" :
https://youtu.be/JpoV5pj1Agw?t=2m40s

And he's likely still holding back a great deal.

Most DBish animated Superman fight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGRkYYmJgQ

Superman got shot to space in the second vid. lol. But who knows... maybe Goku could take him! ^.^

Dcau supes is weak as a hell goku would win even in base.

Did you see that second vid? Superman got punched and omega beamed to space! If that happened to Goku, he'd be dead. lol.

[Bullza]

What makes you think that? He was taking all kinds of punches from Beerus and considering what he's done with finger tapping a planet in two and destroying a bunch of planets by ping ponging off of them then I don't see what was so special about what Darkseid did.

[fadeddreams5]

What makes you think that? He was taking all kinds of punches from Beerus and considering what he's done with finger tapping a planet in two and destroying a bunch of planets by ping ponging off of them then I don't see what was so special about what Darkseid did.

Cause Goku can't breathe in Space.

[KaiserNeko]

To be fair, those "planets" that Beerus was ping-ponging off of were tiny; not actual planets at all.

[Sora Saiyan]

To be fair, those "planets" that Beerus was ping-ponging off of were tiny; not actual planets at all.

Bullza was talking about the planet Beerus tapped with his finger to destroy half of it, it was in episode 1 of Super, Kaiser.

[KaiserNeko]

To be fair, those "planets" that Beerus was ping-ponging off of were tiny; not actual planets at all.

Bullza was talking about the planet Beerus tapped with his finger to destroy half of it, it was in episode 1 of Super, Kaiser.

"two and destroying a bunch of planets by ping ponging off of them then I don't see what was so special about what Darkseid did."
He's talking about the scene in Battle of Gods.