Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 15; Still Unreleased

[sangofe]

If they get just the right Goku for this (and the script is accurate), I'm willing to double-dip for DVD/Blu-Ray.

I think I might be in the same boat...just as long as they don't provide a replacement score (not Kikuchi/Yamamoto).

Also, I'm not very familiar with any of their DVD releases, but would they'd include the Japanese dub, right?

If it's uncut, then it probably will.

Has it been confirmed it will get DVD or BluRay releases?

[Gonstead]

Not yet, and It's most likely it will just be a Dub for TV only type of deal like last time.

[NitroEX]

Not yet, and It's most likely it will just be a Dub for TV only type of deal like last time.

At least this time there should be quite a few people recording the stuff in good quality.

[Gonstead]

Not yet, and It's most likely it will just be a Dub for TV only type of deal like last time.

At least this time there should be quite a few people recording the stuff in good quality.

Indeed.

[Super Sayian Prime]

David Kaye would be perfect for the role! He has the voice of a commander!

David Kaye actually no longer lives in Vancouver. He moved to Los Angeles a few years back.

Well, I say I'll double-dip, but the truth is it probably won't even get a DVD/Blu-Ray release. It's probably a just for TV dub to placate the Canadian need to have Canadian work on TV. I mean, what licensor/distributor is going to release it?

I have my doubts this dub will even air in Canada.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

I doubt anything they come up with is going to be as good as Kikuchi's score.

Considering how terrible a fit the Kikuchi score is for the faster-paced Dragonball Kai, a replacement score could only be a good thing.

Yamamoto's score would be far preferable, but that couldn't happen unless they worked out a monetary deal with the third parties whose 'intellectual properties' were infringed upon by Yamamoto. Since Toei themselves haven't done that, I can't imagine that anyone else would.

[JulieYBM]

I doubt anything they come up with is going to be as good as Kikuchi's score.

Considering how terrible a fit the Kikuchi score is for the faster-paced Dragonball Kai

It's only terrible because it was poorly and hastily placed, not because Kai is 'faster-paced'.

[penguintruth]

Kikuchi music was misplaced SOMETIMES. I found that most of the time it fit well.

Replacement music isn't the answer to a minor problem. It just creates an even bigger one, the shittiness of replacement music.

[kei17]

Considering how terrible a fit the Kikuchi score is for the faster-paced Dragonball Kai

It's only terrible because it was poorly and hastily placed, not because Kai is 'faster-paced'.

I wonder why there are so many people claiming that the Kikuchi score doesn't go well with Kai because Kai is 'faster-paced'. If you ask me, the Yamamoto score generally sounds slower-paced and is longer than Kikuchi's. Most of Kikuchi's pieces last only one minute or so, and his battle music is always up-tempo. In contrast, many of Yamamoto's pieces last over two or even three minutes, and they have powerful and slower orchestra performances. To me, the Kikuchi score is rather 'faster-paced'.

[Gonstead]

Considering how terrible a fit the Kikuchi score is for the faster-paced Dragonball Kai

It's only terrible because it was poorly and hastily placed, not because Kai is 'faster-paced'.

I wonder why there are so many people claiming that the Kikuchi score doesn't go well with Kai because Kai is 'faster-paced'. If you ask me, the Yamamoto score generally sounds slower-paced and is longer than Kikuchi's. Most of Kikuchi's pieces last only one minute or so, and his battle music is always up-tempo. In contrast, many of Yamamoto's pieces last over two or even three minutes, and they have powerful and slower orchestra performances. To me, the Kikuchi score is rather 'faster-paced'.

Most of the claims I've seen are that the Kikuchi score is dated compared to the Yamamoto score, which is more "fresh" in a sense.

[ConfusedPhantom]

Wow, it's still going on? That's surprising. Good to know Scott McNeil's back. ...I kinda want Mark Hildreth to be Vegeta. I kinda imagine the voice he used in Planet Hulk and the new Voltron show working pretty well. Though, I won't mind Brian Drummond if he uses a different voice.

[Ringworm128]

It just creates an even bigger one, the shittiness of replacement music.

What exactly makes it shitty though? The fact that its not the original? Because I can come up with reasons why I like/disklike Faulconer/Kikuchi tunes or their placement and none of them are "because its the original/its not the original score". Music should be judged on the melody/chord progression etc or how well it fits with the moment. If the original score for a movie was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodrSfsboFk would you rather listen to that over a replacement score?

Scott McNeil is back? Awesome. Now I really wish Brian Drummond will be, too.

Me to as long as he voices him like in the old Saban dub. In the Westwood media dub he sounded like Cobra Commander doing a bad Chris Sabat Vegeta impression.

[sangofe]

Slightly fixed your post

Considering how terrible a fit the Kikuchi replacement score is for the faster-paced Dragonball Kai, a replacement score could only be a good thing.

By the way... Did Drummond voice Vegeta in GT?

[Gonstead]

By the way... Did Drummond voice Vegeta in GT?

Nope, Roger Rhodes voiced him in GT.

[Akumaito Beam]

I am mind numbingly psyched for this. Telling me I'll finally see a part two of the Namek arc with at least one of my favorite dub VAs from when I was a kid is the equivalent of telling me the Dreamcast 2 is set to launch soon. If Drummond is confirmed I will be the happiest person. I really hope they can at least get an online streaming deal so the big T isn't my only option.

[NitroEX]

Why wouldn't Brian Drummond be in this? Is he busy doing another show or something?

[batistabus]

Why wouldn't Brian Drummond be in this? Is he busy doing another show or something?

Well, the previous Goku got the boot for sounding "too cool"...so maybe Drummond got the boot for sounding "too evil"?

[RazorX]

I doubt anything they come up with is going to be as good as Kikuchi's score.

If Ocean use the music from their Buu saga and build on it, it'll easily be better than the Kikuchi Kai score.

I don't know what you're trying to say here.

"I think the Ocean Boo saga is the best but, provided they don't use Kikuchi, Ocean Kai could be even better." That's what I got out of it, at least.

I got something more along the lines of "Ocean's version of the Buu Arc surpassed even the Japanese version in terms of voice acting and music, and the Kikuchi score would only make it worse."

I was referring to dubs. Ocean's Buu saga dub is better than all the other dubs, including Ocean movies 1-3. The good range of characters gave Ocean the opportunity to utilise their voice acting talent, which they did. The acting was consistently great and the music was wonderful, it added a lot of enjoyment to the episodes. The fact that the Buu saga is fun and entertaining to watch added to it.

But when compared to the Japanese version, it's not easy to decide which is better. Both have nice new music, both have great voice acting. There are times I prefer Ocean and vice versa.

But there is one aspect in which Ocean clearly outclasses the Japanese version and that's the recaps and next episode previews. Ocean use a variety of music for those segments (while the Japanese use only one theme, not a bad theme but it doesn't stand up to Ocean's variety) and Doc Harris puts so much more passion and enthusiasm into the narrations than Jouji Yanami (and all the other narrators) Also for next episode previews, Doc actually makes you really excited for the next episode, while in the Japanese version its just characters talking to each other (which isn't bad but I prefer the audience to be addressed in the recaps and NEPs. We just had 22-24 minutes of characters interacting with each other, we don't need more of that in the NEPs.)

So to clarify what I said earlier, Ocean Kai has the potential to exceed Ocean Buu but if Ocean use the Kikuchi Kai mix, the music could hold the dub from exceeding the Buu saga, even if the voice acting is better.

But, replacements or not, I think we've learned that, generally, the more hardcore fans tend to prefer the English side to leave the tracks alone. Really, the English fanbase shouldn't be split anymore than it already is (Manga, Original Anime in Japanese, Funi dub with TV Score, Ocean Dub *not sure if I should count pre and post-Funi dub as two versions*, Funi Dub with Original Score, Funi Kai dub with the Yamamoto Score, Funi Kai dub with the Kikuchi Score *should I even count the Big Green and Filipino dubs?*, and add an Ocean Kai on top of that, if you do an original score, there will still be fans wanting an Ocean Kai Dub with the other two Scores, leading to an extreme division in fan ranks).

Fan division shouldn't be a factor when deciding whether to replace the music. The DB fanbase is divided in the Eglish dub but now also on the Japanese side as well. Japanese; DBZ, DB Kai with Yamamoto, DB Kai with Kikuchi.

The problem with a replacement score is that we don't even know that we would get something better than what it replaces.

That's an argument to make if the choice was between original (Yamamoto) and replacement. If Ocean use Keenlyside et al or get a new composer to emulate Yamamoto's music, I'd say the chances of replacement music being better than Kikuchi replacement are high.

Replacement music isn't the answer to a minor problem. It just creates an even bigger one, the shittiness of replacement music.

You're judging this with a pre-conceived bias. Yes we've had shit replacement music but I'd say that any replacement music that went with Ocean's voices was good. Not because it's the music that went with the voices but because the music itself was good.

I'd take Keenlyside at al over Kikuchi without hesitation.

The problem with Kikuchi is that Toei are limited in what they can use, and bizarrely they are limiting themselves even within those limitations by abusing the same few tracks over and over. With Keenlyside et al Ocean are able to pull from a nice wide library of music without limitations (as far as I know) and create new themes while they're at it.

I think people need to understand that we are not getting the original music, we are getting replacement music. It's a matter of choosing one replacement music over another at this stage.

Oh, and in this topical discussion we seem to be forgetting one of Kai's intended purpose; to bring DBZ into the 21st century with a HD remastering and modern music. Using Kikuchi defeats one of the biggest purposes of Kai, yet another reason to use replacement music.

Another solution; hire Hiroshi Takaki (composer of Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans and Ultimate Tenkaichi cutscenes) to create new music.

[Kiddo626]

I still don't understand why they're being so low-profile about this. Is this just to maintain the element of surprise, or are they legally obligated not to say anything about the dub just yet?

[kei17]

Oh, and in this topical discussion we seem to be forgetting one of Kai's intended purpose; to bring DBZ into the 21st century with a HD remastering and modern music. Using Kikuchi defeats one of the biggest purposes of Kai, yet another reason to use replacement music.

That was rather a sales point than a purpose.