Buu Saga Kai

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by FortuneSSJ » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:23 pm

Just noticed in ending, the epic group photo has Vegeta with his saiyan armour, which he never wears during this entire saga.
Nitpick yeah, but more attention Toei :P

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Puto » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:21 pm

Vegard Aune wrote:Seriously Toei. Color-correction. Why you not do any? Or okay, the answer to that is fairly obvious...
Actually, I think they actually tried to colour-correct and went crazy overboard. See, the Toei masters (as seen by the Dragon Boxes) typically look too pink. Pink is the absence of green (too much red and blue), so to counteract that, they added green to it to fix it... except they went too far, and now it's too green instead.
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Post by Metalwario64 » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:31 pm

They might be using improperly calibrated monitors, which would also explain the same green tint on some international Battle of Gods trailers.
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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:30 am

JulieYBM wrote:I also think this is what made the Garlic Junior arc so interesting, too. It presented new scenarios we couldn't see in the original comic and played with them relatively well. At least one of the episodes were not quite as good as the others, but for the most part it was a solid enough story arc. I wish the Afterlife Tournament had received more attention to care when it was being written, it could have lasted much longer had the characters been fleshed out and Gokuu's own disadvantages in the face of warriors with hundreds of years of training been the focus of the arc.
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Post by Vegard Aune » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:51 am

Puto wrote:
Vegard Aune wrote:Seriously Toei. Color-correction. Why you not do any? Or okay, the answer to that is fairly obvious...
Actually, I think they actually tried to colour-correct and went crazy overboard. See, the Toei masters (as seen by the Dragon Boxes) typically look too pink. Pink is the absence of green (too much red and blue), so to counteract that, they added green to it to fix it... except they went too far, and now it's too green instead.
Well in the case of this first episode at least, that might be the case. On the other hand, the color cast on the DBox varies from episode to episode, and I mean, the Boo-arc did always have a lot of episodes with a really strong green tint to them... So yeah, either they overcompensated for the lack of green, (Kinda reminds me of the Japanese DVD of Spirited Away and how they went and turned the red-levels up to the point where everything that was meant to be white ended up blatantly pink instead. I still don't get how on earth anyone could look at that and say "Yup, this looks perfectly acceptable!") or the film has just deteriorated even further since they made the DBox-masters which is why these episodes are even more heavily tinted than those... Or alternately I suppose it could be a bit of both.

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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Metalwario64 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:08 pm

So... I made this. I thought I'd try to one up Sumitomo and try to make the NEP theme sound closer to an orchestra. It's still clearly sampled and synthesized, but I think mine sounds closer to real instruments, and I think I arranged it better too. The piano in the actual track sounds like the notes are going of key and all over the place, which makes it sound very dissonant.

I used free soundfonts (nothing pirated) that I've found on the internet the past few years. I know nothing about music composition, and this only took about an hour and a half tops, yet I think mine is better. Maybe I could have done better EQ work, but again, I'm not too familiar with that stuff.
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Post by Eternal Super Saiyan » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:41 pm

Are there US airing dates for Buu Saga Kai yet? I understand when Kai started in 2009 it wasn't until 12 or 13 months later before reaching US... but to my knowledge, Funimation already did voice acting last year? Hopefully not too long!
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Post by Valerius Dover » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:52 am

Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Are there US airing dates for Buu Saga Kai yet? I understand when Kai started in 2009 it wasn't until 12 or 13 months later before reaching US... but to my knowledge, Funimation already did voice acting last year? Hopefully not too long!
As far as I know, they're still sticking to their guns and saying that they have no plans to dub this arc at all.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Flame Dragon » Sat Apr 12, 2014 7:39 am

Valerius Dover wrote:
Eternal Super Saiyan wrote:Are there US airing dates for Buu Saga Kai yet? I understand when Kai started in 2009 it wasn't until 12 or 13 months later before reaching US... but to my knowledge, Funimation already did voice acting last year? Hopefully not too long!
As far as I know, they're still sticking to their guns and saying that they have no plans to dub this arc at all.
Do they have to wait for the japanese broadcast to end or are they free to air it when they please?

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Post by Naruto6583 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:10 pm

I would say 2015 since funimation didnt first start airing kai till 2010
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Post by qjz123 » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:26 pm

Why isn't the episode 100 discussion unlocked yet?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Ajay » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:29 pm

qjz123 wrote:Why isn't the episode 100 discussion unlocked yet?
Would assume the staff are all busy with other things.

The keen ones amongst us will have to wait! Got a lengthy post prepared for when it does unlock though!
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by kei17 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:15 am

I directly asked Nagasaki and it turned out that the music placement had been done by Satoshi Motoyama.


And I wrote this back in 2011 when the Kikuchi score version of Kai was released...

Subject: Why is the Replacement Score so Limited?
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coola wrote:That`s it, these guys, Hideyuki Tanaka and Nagasaki really got talent, not only they killed Dragon Ball Kai, but they made Kikuchi score look bad, i will be sure to not touch any anime where they got involved :(
Hideyuki Tanaka is the one who placed the score in the original TV series of Hokuto No Ken and he's usually good. A person who has never been involved in the DB franchise suddenly got hired to immediately place the pieces of music which are very limited.. I can't blame him. In addition, episodes done by Tanaka generally aren't that bad. The real poorly-done episodes are those which done by Satoshi Motoyama.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:28 pm

Ah, there we go. Now we know who to crucify.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:36 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Ah, there we go. Now we know who to crucify.
Guess he's gettin thrown up there with Barry Watson and Bruce Faulconer.
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Fulicer » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:06 pm

So no horribly re-drawn CG scenes, right? That's what it seemed like in #99.

I wonder what they will do with a bluray release -- in regards to aspect ratio. Even though I don't like 16:9 for this show, it's a good way to hide tape.

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Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:12 pm

Come on, don't be so harsh on the poor guy. It's not his fault he got selected for this job that he had zero experience with.
For someone that didn't even know what DBZ is, i throught he did a decent job.
He spammed a lot of tracks over and over, but at least most other tracks fitted the scenes quite well in my opinion.

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Post by kei17 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:41 pm

Flame Dragon wrote:Come on, don't be so harsh on the poor guy. It's not his fault he got selected for this job that he had zero experience with.
For someone that didn't even know what DBZ is, i throught he did a decent job.
He spammed a lot of tracks over and over, but at least most other tracks fitted the scenes quite well in my opinion.
Zero experience? What are you talking about? He's been a sound director for over a decade, and he was even in charge of music placement for dozens of episodes of the Kikuchi version of Kai. Also, being new to the franchise cannot be an excuse here because this is a new show with a newly written score. It's not that we're complaining about an old score being used differently than it was in Z. Motoyama is just absolutely bad. He's even less talented than infamous Nagasaki.

Music has been, and always will be the hugest drawback of Kai.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:17 pm

I'm just as incredulous that the Episode Director and Series Director allows this sort of nonsense. Are the people Toei has involved with Kai even artists?
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Re: Buu Saga Kai

Post by Flame Dragon » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:25 pm

kei17 wrote:
Flame Dragon wrote:Come on, don't be so harsh on the poor guy. It's not his fault he got selected for this job that he had zero experience with.
For someone that didn't even know what DBZ is, i throught he did a decent job.
He spammed a lot of tracks over and over, but at least most other tracks fitted the scenes quite well in my opinion.
Zero experience? What are you talking about? He's been a sound director for over a decade, and he was even in charge of music placement for dozens of episodes of the Kikuchi version of Kai. Also, being new to the franchise cannot be an excuse here because this is a new show with a newly written score. It's not that we're complaining about an old score being used differently than it was in Z. Motoyama is just absolutely bad. He's even less talented than infamous Nagasaki.

Music has been, and always will be the hugest drawback of Kai.
I meant zero experience with the Dragon Ball franchise.
But then again, i also think that Kai replacement score is not really that awful, it's decent for me.

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