Dragonball Evolution - SPOILERS Thread

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:37 pm

Damn, I am actually kind of young compared to some of you guys.

I turn 24 this October. Which actually makes me the same age as Chiquita.

omae no kaasan · Post by **omae no kaasan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:41 pm

Ok, honestly, the only one who pronounced things wrong was Chow Yun Fat, and he was the one everyone heralded as "The best casting in the movie!"
He actually said KamiHamiha at one point.

What does casting or acting have to do with how he pronounced Japanese shit?

To put it simply most Dragonball fans are dinosaurs, the new generation want something relevant. Even though age wise I would fit in the dinosaur crowd, I actually like the new stuff as well as the old. I hope the North American release is extended to solve the pacing problem but then again we live in age of perpetual one-night stands so anything is possible.

It has nothing to do with a generation.

It has to do with being inexperienced.

When I was a kid, The Rock was the most fucking incredible film I'd ever seen.

I watch it today and can't help but laugh my ass off.

As you get older you see more stuff, and when you look back at the shit you used to watch, you realize just how shitty it was.

It's not part of being a different generation, it's just being 'young'.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:53 pm

omae no kaasan wrote:
Ok, honestly, the only one who pronounced things wrong was Chow Yun Fat, and he was the one everyone heralded as "The best casting in the movie!"
He actually said KamiHamiha at one point.
What does casting or acting have to do with how he pronounced Japanese shit?

Are you mad or something?

I just found it funny that most "Caucasian American fanboys" wanted the whole cast to be Asian, and now they are the ones bashing Chow Yun Fat because he doesn't pronounce things right.

I personally don't care that much, I just found it odd.

I also think that Roshi could have easily been played by a white guy and been just as good as Chow Yun Fat. I don't think an Asian actor is necessary for a Dragonball movie to be good. I think as long as the skin tone is fairly close to correct then it shouldn't matter as long as they can play the character well. I mean Micheal Clarke Duncan was a good kingpin in Daredevil.

Personally I always imagined Goku as Hawaiian for some reason.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:55 pm

Now WHO has said the movie needed Asian actors? I don't recall that here... plus, Asian doesn't = good. Your constant bickering and lingering on the smallest of points are really starting to get on my nerves. Like it or don't like it - just don't bitch when other people have qualms with it.

Wait, what movie? I thought this was the "BAAW BUTTHURT" thread. X3

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:07 pm

bkev wrote:Now WHO has said the movie needed Asian actors? I don't recall that here... plus, Asian doesn't = good. Your constant bickering and lingering on the smallest of points are really starting to get on my nerves. Like it or don't like it - just don't bitch when other people have qualms with it.

Oh, I don't really recall it happening in Daizex, but definitely EVERYWHERE ELSE, its actually still going on, it's like people didn't get over it in the year plus since we have know Goku was being played by a white guy.

And huh? Are you talking to me about bickering, I am confused, what have I lingered on?

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:09 pm

omegacwa wrote:
bkev wrote:Now WHO has said the movie needed Asian actors? I don't recall that here... plus, Asian doesn't = good. Your constant bickering and lingering on the smallest of points are really starting to get on my nerves. Like it or don't like it - just don't bitch when other people have qualms with it.
Oh, I don't really recall it happening in Daizex, but definitely EVERYWHERE ELSE, its actually still going on, it's like people didn't get over it in the year plus since we have know Goku was being played by a white guy.

And huh? Are you talking to me about bickering, I am confused, what have I lingered on?

Since Goku wasn't born on Planet Japan I don't really see the problem with him being a whitey, it's the Avatar film that has race issues.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:19 pm

I don't really know anything about that show, but isn't an Indian guy playing Avatar, or whoever? What Race is he on the show?

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:24 pm

According to Webster’s “generation is defined as:

1 a: a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor b: a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously c: a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period d: a type or class of objects usually developed from an earlier type…2 a: the action or process of producing offspring : procreation…3: the average span of time between the birth of parents and that of their offspring

Since some people have misinterpreted what I meant by generation and got all offended and hysterical because they thought I was calling them elderly. I will break it down even though Bussani had no problem. When most of us were little children, we liked specific things. At the age of 10, my biggest concern was getting a BMX bike. Now we have 10 year olds wanting cell phones and designer clothes etc. Now let us transpose that concept over to anime and manga. While those over the age of 15 or so like Dragonball, there are lot of people that or under the above-mentioned age bracket (15 or so) that prefer angst-riddled mangas and animes that is full of drama. You know the everyday problems preteen and teens face or in other words the stuff that Toriyama would not touch with a 10-foot pole.

omae no kaasan said that when he was younger he enjoyed “The Rock” and most likely he spent money to go and see or buy the VHS/DVD. Now that he has become older his tastes has changed and he feels that he could determine quality from crap. Thus, he is not willing to spend or throw away his money on an inferior product. The movie studios are going for the fast buck especially in light of the current economy in the States. Therefore, if Fox produces a Dragonball movie that according to the opinion of the majority here is crap, they will go for the people i.e. young ones that will spend their money, which is not anyone that is over 20 that has knowledge of the series.

Now I wait to see of anyone misconstrue this and claim I insulted them.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:46 pm

I was hinting at you, but it's everyone. Sorry, I was in a bit of a bad mood x[. I came off rude and I knew it - wasn't even very clear - yet I posted it anyway.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:51 pm

omegacwa wrote:I don't really know anything about that show, but isn't an Indian guy playing Avatar, or whoever? What Race is he on the show?

White kids are playing the three obviously Asian heroes, and the Indian kid from Slumdog Millionaire and Skins is playing Zuko who should probably be Japanese.

omae no kaasan · Post by **omae no kaasan** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:25 am

Are you mad or something?

I asked you a question, what part of that would even remotely indicate thaat I'm mad?

I just found it funny that most "Caucasian American fanboys" wanted the whole cast to be Asian, and now they are the ones bashing Chow Yun Fat because he doesn't pronounce things right.

?

He does the best with his role. He also doesn't pronounce a lot of shit right. That doesn't have any pull on his acting or casting though...

Anyone who criticizes the film SOLELY on who was cast as whom doesn't deserve anyone's attention anyway.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 1:51 am

I don't think Japan exists in the make believe world of Avatar, even though the cultures are obviously based on ancient Asia. Aang doesn't exactly look Japanese with his big blue eyes.

Oh well.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:24 pm

I have the bootleg edition of Dragon Ball Evolution, and I have seen the whole film. And it looks...OK...

SPOILERS!!!!!!!

So, I won't go too much into detail, but it has the film down pretty well. They include many Japanese terms, such as Susinchu (4-Star Dragon Ball), Son Goku, Muten Roshi, all the sort of stuff. What I didn't like about the film was the high school elements, though I can understand this, since it's probably for a young American audience. It includes Goku having some trouble with troublemaking bullies, and his infatuation with Chi-Chi. For some OBVIOUS reason, I don't see the real Goku imagining Chi-Chi in a meadow devouring a strawberry. But then again, it's familarising for an American audience - the whole Hollywood cheesy love-story is in it too.

Piccolo's design is...not exactly what you'd expect. It's a little different, but it's good enough. If they are going to make a sequel with the Saiyan Saga (which, for the love of God, I hope they don't), they're gonna need to abandon that villainous outfit for when Piccolo becomes a good guy. But it's a good "bad guy" outfit.

Now we have Mai, who's Piccolo's sidekick or something. Maybe I missed something - is she supposed to have some kind of shapeshifting ability? 'Cos at one point...I don't want to spoil it, but...watch it for yourselves.

I think they got down Yamcha and Bulma's personalities down pretty well. Bulma has her usual bratty attitude, and Yamcha is portrayed as a cocky desert bandit. Good job. Glad that they also added in a little love thing with Yamcha and Bulma too.

I'm just going to skip the high school part for now. It has a part where Goku uses his ki to blast open all the lockers, but that's just little things for now.

So, Piccolo and Mai break into Grandpa Gohan's house. Piccolo basically leaves Gohan for dead in the house after doing some paralyze choke thing, walks out and causes the house to collapse. Goku senses something wrong and returns, finding his grandpa about to die, his last words involving Master Roshi, the Dragon Balls and Piccolo. Goku meets Bulma, yadda yadda, they find Roshi.

Now, Roshi. They have his personality down well too. His perviness isn't as dominant in the main series, but they have a scene where Bulma discovers one of Roshi's porn mags, and another scene where Roshi inappropiately touches Bulma's butt. At least they have humour.

There's some bits with the tournament, where we see Chi-Chi fighting Mai or someone. Good. We also get to see a training scene with Goku and Roshi, where Roshi teaches Goku the Kamehameha. Now this is what has been stirring a lot of fans up. The way Roshi performs the hand movements for the Kamehameha is quite strange. He holds his arms close to his chest in an X, does a circular rolling arm motion and then the actual Kamehameha movements. I don't know why they changed how they did the Kamehameha. To make it look cooler, more improved? It just looks weird, not any improvement.

I'm just gonna cut straight to Goku and Piccolo's big battle. So, Goku turns Oozaru soon after Roshi performs the Mafuba, which fails. Goku basically causes havoc, and Roshi dies. =0
Goku and Piccolo are exchanging blasts, and dodge each other's blasts. It cuts to Bulma and Mai having a shoot-out, but then Bulma gets screwed over because she runs out of ammo. But then Yamcha saves her by knocking out Mai (or killing her, I don't know). Goku and Piccolo have a little spar struggle thing in the air, fall back down to the ground. We have a drama scene where Goku has a dramatic monolouge (I must be one with myself, I am Goku, I am Oozaru) before powering up for the final attack. Piccolo prepares his final attack, and Goku prepares the Kamehameha. Piccolo launches his blast, and Goku fires his Kamehameha. They somehow make it so Goku flies through the Kamehameha and smashes straight into Piccolo, causing an explosion. And then, you see Piccolo on the ground, assumedly dead. For me, it was a disappointing end to the battle. They revive Roshi with the Dragon Balls (where we get the cheesiest Shenlong-summoning line ever), and then we have a cheesy love-story at the end where Goku snogs the pants off of Chi-Chi and they have a little spar at the end. The end.

My thoughts? 6.5 out of 10 for the film. They have good special efffects, storyline was good, could be better, but overall, it's actually impressive. I had low expectations for this film, but it's OK. Who knows - maybe if this film brings big success and big money, we might get some more DB merchandise over here.

And guys? Who cares about a simple pronounciation of the Kamehameha? I think the pronounciation is fine.

EDIT: Another thing. When Goku's in class, and his teacher asks about his eclipse, Goku has a funny line where he says, "Well, my grandpa would tell me "beware of the Nameks"". I lol'd. =)

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:35 pm

Good review Piccolo. It was nice to read a review that wasn't full of ridiculous swearing and blind hatred.

Oh, and I only complained about the way Roshi says Kamehame ha once in the the whole film, he says it right the whole time, but when he does the Ki exchange thing to revive Goku he says Kamihami ha, and that just sounded terrible. Otherwise I don't care though.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:45 pm

omegacwa wrote:Good review Piccolo. It was nice to read a review that wasn't full of ridiculous swearing and blind hatred.

Oh, and I only complained about the way Roshi says Kamehame ha once in the the whole film, he says it right the whole time, but when he does the Ki exchange thing to revive Goku he says Kamihami ha, and that just sounded terrible. Otherwise I don't care though.

Thanks. I didn't want to make it too negative, because I've been hearing so many negative points about the film. While I admit that they could've done better on the film, it was a good attempt - for Hollywood, anyway. Roshi's pronounciation of the Kamehameha bothers me the least of all.

Kanzenshuu

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