Kai Episode 4 (26 April 2009)

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

If the show was being totally reanimated I would be fine with it, but this...

This, I don't get. How does new animation make censorship any better or worse?

When something is created specifically from the start to not contain negative imagery, it can be worked around.

When Batman: The Animated Series showed Robin's origins, they knew their rules and boundaries. So they were able to work around these, and make a scene that was emotionally powerful moment without having to cover up anything. The scene was made AROUND the standards, NOT the other way around.

When censorship hit Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker hard after it had already been made, the original scenes were hurt because they weren't made for those standards. The standards were worked into the scenes. This hurt presentation, it hurt the story, and it made parts of the film just look stupid. These scenes weren't made for the new standards that were imposed on it after the fact.

[rereboy]

If the show was being totally reanimated I would be fine with it, but this...

This, I don't get. How does new animation make censorship any better or worse?

Because if they were totally reanimating the series it would be a real REMAKE of the series, a true retelling.

DB kai is just a diferent edition of DBZ. A director cut if you will.

Comparing the two, side by side, is unavoiable.

For example... Battlestar galactica. We have the original series and the remake. We can compare the two, but, at the end of the day, they are two completely separate things. They just share the core of the story.

The same thing with DB evolution and the original dragon ball.

But DB kai is not a totally separate thing... It just a pseudo directors cut of DBZ. So I can not overlook as easily the censorship and other issues as I would if it was a totally reanimated new show and therefore, a true remake, separate from DBZ.

I wouldn`t mind (at least not as much) if things happened differently in a true remake. They could make Piccolo`s beam cause lightning like damage in a person. It would be ok because it is totally separate. Kai isn`t and it even has inconsistencies.

[obiwan23s]

I think there will be select scenes of filler where needed in order to get the episodes to full length while still being able to end at where the corresponding chapter ends in the manga. They've been doing that so far, so we may get a dumb scene here or there but I think all of the 100% filler episodes are going to be gone as well as at least 85% of other filler. Possibly more, who knows, but there definitely won't be a lot of it.

Episode 4 went pretty much how I thought it would go, but I thought it would include Piccolo ditching Gohan and dropping the apples down to him at night, but I guess that makes more sense being placed in the next episode when he transforms into the Great Ape.

[Kendamu]

If the show was being totally reanimated I would be fine with it, but this...

This, I don't get. How does new animation make censorship any better or worse?

When something is created specifically from the start to not contain negative imagery, it can be worked around.

When Batman: The Animated Series showed Robin's origins, they knew their rules and boundaries. So they were able to work around these, and make a scene that was emotionally powerful moment without having to cover up anything. The scene was made AROUND the standards, NOT the other way around.

When censorship hit Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker hard after it had already been made, the original scenes were hurt because they weren't made for those standards. The standards were worked into the scenes. This hurt presentation, it hurt the story, and it made parts of the film just look stupid. These scenes weren't made for the new standards that were imposed on it after the fact.

Oh, I see. We're having the same discussion as last week.

Have fun. I'll be watching Kai.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Oh, I see. We're having the same discussion as last week.

Have fun. I'll be watching Kai.

You're right, of course. I just thought the same question deserved the same response this week as last.

I don't think you're watching Kai now, of course. In fact, you're here because you aren't only watching Kai in-between episodes. =O

I'm watching Kai too. I'm just not as happy with it as you are. Is that okay?

[Saiyavenger2941]

Eh, I'm going back to my beloved and far superior Orange Bricks. (Yeah. I said it. Fuck off if you have a problem.)

[Zuhalter2000]

far superior Orange Bricks

That's going a little far there. I am a fan but I cant classify them as far superior.

[Saiyavenger2941]

far superior Orange Bricks

That's going a little far there. I am a fan but I cant classify them as far superior.

Like I said, fuck off if you've got a problem.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Well, I wouldn't shelve my Orange Bricks in favor of Kai, anyway. Kai is interesting, it's a curiosity, it's not the worst thing to ever happen. But it's just not a replacement for the original, to me. Even when that original is cropped and bleached.

[Zuhalter2000]

far superior Orange Bricks

That's going a little far there. I am a fan but I cant classify them as far superior.

Like I said, fuck off if you've got a problem.

So full of anger!

I do love my bricks but I don't see their "superiority." There were a good full English release and a great price. Kai is something completely different.

[Kendamu]

Oh, I see. We're having the same discussion as last week.

Have fun. I'll be watching Kai.

You're right, of course. I just thought the same question deserved the same response this week as last.

I don't think you're watching Kai now, of course. In fact, you're here because you aren't only watching Kai in-between episodes. =O

I'm watching Kai too. I'm just not as happy with it as you are. Is that okay?

The meaning behind what I said was, "I don't wanna argue this again. I enjoy the show. The end. Have fun arguing." Not, "You're an idiot for having this censorship discussion again. Fuck you. I hope you get pink eye and are forced to watch all the censored scenes from the Ocean dub through your infected eye, you giant piece of shit covered in hamster hair."

And, actually, I was gonna start watching Kai after reading that post, but then my girlfriend reminded me that she hadn't seen it yet and wanted to finish watching Iron Chef before I turned it on so we could see it together.

So, actually, I'll be watching it again in about 11 minutes.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

The meaning behind what I said was, "I don't wanna argue this again. I enjoy the show. The end. Have fun arguing." Not, "You're an idiot for having this censorship discussion again. Fuck you. I hope you get pink eye and are forced to watch all the censored scenes from the Ocean dub through your infected eye, you giant piece of shit covered in hamster hair."

And, actually, I was gonna start watching Kai after reading that post, but then my girlfriend reminded me that she hadn't seen it yet and wanted to finish watching Iron Chef before I turned it on so we could see it together.

So, actually, I'll be watching it again in about 11 minutes.

Ah. The way you worded it was very different from your intention then, I think. But whatever, I'm cool with that.

Start insulting people more. You're good at it. =p

Anyway, I probably went a bit over the top using the exact same examples anyway. In my own way, I'm enjoying the show too, though. I just think a lot about it is stupid. But there was stupid stuff in the original, like Vegeta's clown hair.

[JAPPO]

far superior Orange Bricks

That's going a little far there. I am a fan but I cant classify them as far superior.

Like I said, fuck off if you've got a problem.

Give into your anger... insult me now and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

[Zuhalter2000]

That's going a little far there. I am a fan but I cant classify them as far superior.

Like I said, fuck off if you've got a problem.

Give into your anger... insult me now and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

Good, good. Let the hate flow.

[Kendamu]

Start insulting people more. You're good at it. =p

Hahaha! I only belt out things like that when I can be heard and the tone of my voice and people can tell that it's a joke and that I'm not just some complete asshole.

[DaemonCorps]

Well, I caught the episode live and again a couple minutes ago and I gotta say, this episode was pretty "meh." Then again, I shouldn't be surprised, since following Raditz and Goku's death, there really isn't anything to do but begin to prepare for Vegeta and Nappa.

The filler didn't really bother me that much. I mean, if it weren't for the opening scene, newcomers would have no idea who Gyu-Maou is. As for the later filler with Kuririn at the Son house, it pertained enough to the storyline (if memory serves, we never see Kuririn actually go and tell Chi Chi in the manga, right?) so I didn't mind that either.

Has it ever been confirmed for sure that all Kai episodes will be ending at the same place as a chapter in the manga? People brought up that as a reason for the inclusion of the filler scenes, so I was just wondering.

[Oolong215]

The only problem I've had with the series is the censorship in Episode 3. I've really liked everything else.

[Zuhalter2000]

The only problem I've had with the series is the censorship in Episode 3. I've really liked everything else.

I'm sorry this is a bit off topic but... you avatar made me lol thought Id give you props for it.

[Saiyan]

Well, I caught the episode live and again a couple minutes ago and I gotta say, this episode was pretty "meh." Then again, I shouldn't be surprised, since following Raditz and Goku's death, there really isn't anything to do but begin to prepare for Vegeta and Nappa.

The filler didn't really bother me that much. I mean, if it weren't for the opening scene, newcomers would have no idea who Gyu-Maou is. As for the later filler with Kuririn at the Son house, it pertained enough to the storyline (if memory serves, we never see Kuririn actually go and tell Chi Chi in the manga, right?) so I didn't mind that either.

Has it ever been confirmed for sure that all Kai episodes will be ending at the same place as a chapter in the manga? People brought up that as a reason for the inclusion of the filler scenes, so I was just wondering.

I think in the manga, Chi-Chi and Gyu-Mao go over to Kame House, and that's where they find out what happened to Goku and Gohan. The question is, did they ever animate that in the first place? I don't recall, since I don't really know the Saiyan saga episodes off the top of my head. If they didn't, then what they showed would be the only alternative. If not, then *shrug*.

[Coola Yagami]

Well in the filler, Kururin never has the heart to tell them what happened, so no filler, no problem.

In the manga (and anime) Yayirobe came over to Kame House to tell them not to revive Goku in a year and to round up Yamcha and the others to train with Kami Sama. When he left, they see a vehicle coming towards them, and they think it's Yayirobe coming back, when it's actually Chichi and Gyu Mao showing up. Chichi faints after finding out that Piccolo took Gohan and Goku died.